John 3:13-When did Jesus DESCEND from Heaven?


WHEN DID JESUS 

DESCEND FROM HEAVEN?


JESUS IS THE ONLY 

BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!


       

               Let us begin this study in God's word by first quoting John 3:13 from the King James Version of the Bible being taken out of its context.

               John3:13.

               " And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."


               Now the Trinitarian "interpretation" of this verse is that Jesus, as the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity Godhead who is called God the Son came down from heaven and has now ascended back up into heaven from where he had always existed in eternity past have no beginning nor ending like God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

               But this is NOT the ONLY "interpretation" of this verse. I will give you two more brief interpretations of this verse for a short quick answer and then for those of you who are truly seeking the truth of the whole word of Almighty God I will then explain in depth the long version giving you sound Biblical evidence of WHY the Trinitarian "interpretation" is NOT a SOUND Biblical teaching.

              First alternative "interpretation".

              Jesus, as the newly just resurrected Son of MAN ASCENDED up into heaven to receive his reward of being highly exalted by his God and Father who GAVE the Son of MAN his very own divine nature of immortality to be having in himself even as the Father has always possessed immortality in himself being the source of all life. THEN the NOW GLORIFIED Son of MAN descended back down from out of heaven to the earth to show himself alive for forty days before he ascended back up to heaven where he is at this present time.

             Second alternation "interpretation".

             And NOT YET one human has ascended up into the heaven UNTIL the one out of heaven is descending, speaking of the Son of MAN, who is in heaven right now at this present time.



             Now before we get deep into the word of God I would like to clarify a few things where I have been misunderstood by some of my readers in the past. After talking some of my readers, who wrote to me asking about some other verses that I did not cover much in my studies I found that we were actually saying pretty much saying the same thing that the verses I already did indeed covered were saying only using different terms or rather that the understanding of the meanings of these terms were interpreted in different ways. Like John 3:13, the verse above, where we have three different interpretations there are others verses as well that have more than just one interpretation, but I do not cover every verse in every study. No Christian denies that the ORIGIN of Jesus came from above. The controversy comes as to HOW Jesus came from above.

             In other words, if, or I should say when you read the other studies that I wrote on who is Jesus you may find that I lean more to the HUMANITY of Jesus than I do to the absolute sound Biblical TRUTH that Jesus did indeed COME OUT FROM Almighty God and that Jesus was SENT FROM God. 

             Now to ME, this truth of Jesus being sent FROM God is quite obvious because I have understood the true meaning for around 35 years, so I really did not see the need to focus on this point that Jesus came out from God. But it appears that I assumed too much in the area of my readers already knowing many of the things that are now so obvious to me it is sometimes hard for me to see why other Christians are not seeing what I am seeing. So when I say that Jesus was a MAN just like you and me I have found that some Christians seem to get really offended at my words saying Jesus was a HUMAN BEING, THINKING that I am saying that Jesus did NOT come out from God and that Jesus was born just like every other human being. Or that Jesus was just a mere prophet like the Muslims wrongly teach. Or that Jesus is not the Messiah like the Jews teach.

              But I assure you that this is not the case. The reason that I emphasize the humanity of Jesus so much is so that believers will see and understand that the WORKS Jesus did he did NOT do because he was fully Almighty God in the flesh. I want all believers in Jesus to know and truly understand that the Bible ITSELF does not teach us that Jesus did the works that he did because he was the SON of Almighty God, or because he was a God/man having two natures, one divine, and one human, at the same time. 

              I want my readers and seekers of the truth to know and understand that Jesus, the Son of MAN was ANOINTED with power from on high. In other words, I want my readers to truly understand that Jesus was NOT empowered by the eternal Spirit to do the mighty works men saw the Son of MAN do because he was fully Almighty God himself, or even because he was the SON of God, but rather I want you to KNOW the TRUE REASON of WHY Jesus was empowered to do these mighty miraculous works, and that true reason is BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN, who was anointed by Almighty God with the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, the eternal Spirit, who empowered the human Jesus to do these miraculous works by the Holy Spirit DWELLING within him, which is the very same Holy Spirit that dwells IN us as believers in Jesus Christ as our savior. 

              Jesus himself said the WORKS that I do YOU shall do ALSO and greater works than these shall YOU do, speaking to each and every believer. This is the main reason of why I emphasize the humanity of Jesus more than his unique birth as the only begotten Son of God.

              I also emphasize the humanity of Jesus to expose the error of the false doctrines of the Trinity and the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus, which wrongly teaches that Jesus was Deity DURING the days of his FLESH being fully Almighty God himself in the flesh having TWO natures, one divine, and one human, at the SAME time. I expose the errors of these false man-made teachings, because since I myself struggled with these doctrines to the point of almost leaving my faith in God, then I know that there are others out there struggling as well. I have heard people say that they would believe in God IF it were NOT for the teaching that God is three separate persons in God, but yet there is just one God. So then, to ME, since these false doctrines are KEEPING AWAY people from coming to God, then they should be exposed as NOT being SOUND BIBLICAL teachings.

              The third reason that I teach against the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus is that Muslims show the same errors in these doctrines that I myself am exposing and some weaker Christians are being converted to ISLAM because the mainstream churches seem to not be concerned enough to take a closer look at their own teachings that have been HIGHLY controversial throughout the church from nearly the very beginning. Now to ME, if you just consider WHO killed WHO in the dark ages of the church, then you should KNOW that the Catholic church was in ERROR and thus the Roman Catholic church was and is still yet teaching doctrines of the devil, because they were the ones KILLING their fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord just because they DISAGREED with the teachings of the Catholic church on the doctrine of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus. Now I do not lay ALL the blame of the Catholic church because even some Protestant churches persecuted fellow Christians who REJECTED the teaching of the Trinity as a FALSE teaching.

              So please understand that I am NOT trying to bring Jesus down to the level of man to belittle our Lord and Savior as I am being falsely accused of by some Christians, but rather I am teaching you the TRUTH that the WORD being SPIRIT stripped itself of all its divine nature to take on HUMAN nature. The word was made FLESH. This was God's PLAN from before he ever created mankind upon the earth. I only want to help the weak become strong in their faith to overcome the enemy that is trying to devour them. 

               Please know and understand that I do indeed believe that AFTER the cross the Son of MAN, Jesus, was HIGHLY EXALTED and GIVEN the divine nature of immortality to be having in himself even as Yahweh the Father has always possessed immortality in himself being the SOURCE of all life. However, I do NOT believe that Jesus was the divine eternal one true God DURING the days of his FLESH. Rather the divine Godhead descended in the form of the Holy Spirit at the baptism of the Jesus and DWELT IN the Son of MAN. So with that being said let us get back to the study at hand.


WHEN DID JESUS 

DESCEND FROM HEAVEN?


JESUS IS THE ONLY 

BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!


              First I want you to notice that I have entitled this study with two titles and the reason for this is that I want to focus on TWO different but related aspects of Jesus coming out from God. One aspect we will cover in this study is how Jesus came down out from heaven to the earth? And the other aspect of Jesus that we will cover is the WHEN did Jesus actually descend from the Father DOWN to the earth?

              Also please notice that while I have both of these titles in the menu bar on my website at AmatterOfTruth.com they are one and the same study. I did this because people search the same thing by typing in different questions and I thought that these two titles would cover most every way that a person could phrase these questions of God becoming a man and yet remain fully God at the same time as some Christians teach within the doctrine of the Trinity where Jesus is said to be God the Son and is said to be equal in every way with God the Father where neither is greater than or less than the other. And then the doctrine of the deity of Jesus states that Jesus is the one true and only Almighty God in the flesh having TWO natures, one divine, and one human, at the SAME time. 

              Now obviously, only those Christians, who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, understand and believe in the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus in this WAY of Jesus being fully 100% Almighty God in the flesh, but at the same time ALSO knowing that Jesus himself being fully Almighty God in the flesh is NOT the FATHER. I emphasize this because some Christians do indeed believe that Jesus himself IS THE FATHER. This doctrine is called ONENESS or Modalism. All three doctrines, the doctrine of the Trinity, the doctrine of Oneness, and the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus, use many of the SAME verses to try and prove THEIR doctrines are taught in the Bible. But which doctrine is true? Are any of these doctrines true?

              Of course, we will not try and cover all these verses in this one study, but I have written many related studies that I believe cover most every verse used to try and teach the above-mentioned doctrines or teachings. Now in my many other studies on this subject of who is Jesus I cover all the verses from both sides of this highly controversial topic so I will only touch on a few in this study. My main focus in this study is to closely examine TWO things, the UNIQUE birth of Jesus, and the sound Biblical meaning of John 3:13.

              Again my apologies, I just assumed that most every Christian knew what I myself mean when I say that Jesus was HUMAN BEING, so I did not see a need to focus on this truth in each and every one of my studies. Please read the study "THE HUMAN JESUS" to gain a deeper understanding of most all of the verses related to Jesus being the Son of MAN first before the Son of MAN was highly exalted to BECOME God's ETERNAL Son to sit beside Yahweh the Father. Also please read "WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?" for all the Scriptures proving what I just stated. But for now, let us continue this study before us.

              It has now come to my attention that some of my fellow brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ do indeed disagree as to HOW Jesus was actually BORN and also disagree as to WHEN Jesus actually DESCENDED or CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.


              So then, let us begin this study in God's word by first taking a closer look that the VIRGIN birth of Jesus by reading John 3:16,17 from several different translations. Again I always use the King James Version of the Bible unless I otherwise give the name of the translation that I am using. Also, I use the modern English words "you" and "your" instead of the Old English words "thee" and "thine". And I change some other Old English words to what we would say today as English speaking people.

              Here is John 3:16,17 from the King James Version.


          “For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 

           17.  For God SENT not his Son INTO the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”


               Now some INTERPRET this passage of scripture to mean that Almighty God sent his SON Jesus DOWN FROM heaven INTO the Earth to take the form of a man but yet REMAIN fully the DIVINE God the SON at the same time having TWO natures one divine and one human. 

              But in TRUTH, the word of God simply says that God, speaking of Almighty God the Father, SENT his SON, who we all know is Jesus, INTO the WORLD and NOT that God sent his Son DOWN FROM heaven into the EARTH. You see dear child of God it is the INTERPRETATION of the word "INTO" and "SENT" interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God as the only way of determining the TRUE meaning of this and other verses that SEEM to say or they are made to say that Jesus descend down out of heaven AS God the Son, who then manifested himself to become flesh. 

               Now, Trinitarians dogmatically demand that this is the ONLY POSSIBLE interpretation that these verses can mean.

              Not so dear child of God, for the WHOLE word of God clearly and plainly teaches us that Yahweh HIMSELF became flesh and NOT the God the SON became flesh. There is a BIG difference as you will see. Please read the study "WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE TRULY MEAN?".

               Let us continue. 

               Here is John 3:16,17 from the Complete Jewish Bible.


           “For God so loved the world that he GAVE his ONLY and UNIQUE Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.

           17. For God did not SEND the Son INTO the world to judge the world, but rather so that through him, the world might be saved.”


              This translations clearly teaches us that the BIRTH of Jesus was indeed UNIQUE or different than any other human being, as in, is the ONLY human being who has or will ever be BORN in the manner of Yahweh speaking forth his word out of his mouth to conceive his spoken word in the womb of a virgin woman to be born a human being where Yahweh HIMSELF literally BECAME a human being by STRIPPING himself of ALL his DIVINE NATURE to take on HUMAN NATURE.

               Here is John 3:16,17 from Young's Literal Translation.


          “For God did so love the world, that His Son -- the ONLY BEGOTTEN -- He GAVE, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 

           17. For God did not SEND His Son TO the world (this is the only translation that I personally have found that does not translate the Greek word “eis” to INTO like all the other translations including the Greek to English interlinear Bible and literal word for word translations of the Bible. But some Christians will try and use incorrect translations such as this to try and prove that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity who PREEXISTED in heaven with God as a separate person at God's side called God the SON the second person of the Trinity from all eternity came DOWN FROM heaven TO the EARTH, but this is NOT the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. But rather Jesus was BORN of a woman and when he grew to be a man, THEN Almighty God SENT his SON Jesus OUT INTO the world to preach the gospel AFTER God ANOINTED his SON Jesus with his self-same Holy Spirit to EMPOWER his Son to do the works that his God and Father SENT or COMMISSIONED his Son to do.) that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;”


               The first thing that I want to point out to you is that the Greek word that is translated as “ONLY BEGOTTEN” is a compound word that comes from two Greek words that teach us that the birth of Jesus being born of a VIRGIN was a UNIQUE birth and the ONLY one of its kind. In this respect, Jesus is obviously UNIQUE from every other human being. So I must apologize to my readers for not clarifying this in my other studies when I said Jesus is a MAN or a HUMAN BEING just like you and me. Obviously, none of us were SENT to die on the cross for the sins of the world, so I did not see the need to clarify that point. 

               There should already be no doubt to most every Christian that Jesus is UNIQUELY different from every other human being. He was chosen of God to be the Messiah for one thing. This should already be clear so the focus in my other studies is to point out the EXTREMES that theologians have over emphasized throughout the history of the church incorrectly making Jesus to be ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF, who the Bible itself clearly identifies as being the FATHER ALONE.

               Now some commentaries and theologians again will go beyond the word of truth and say that Jesus being BORN as a human being does not mean that Jesus had a beginning and therefore Jesus has always pre-existed with the Father as his Son in heaven from all eternity past.

               However, this is NOT what the WHOLE word of God teaches us. The clear, plain, and simple meanings of these two Greek words are that Jesus is the ONE and ONLY ONE, who has ever been BORN from above BY Almighty God the Father speaking forth his WORD to be created as a human fetus in the womb of a human woman, the virgin Mary. In other words, every other human being has been BORN of an EARTHLY or a HUMAN father where the human father KNOWS or has intercourse with his human wife and then a child is conceived in the womb of his wife. Then when the pregnancy is full term and the human baby is brought forth to be BORN into the world is a BEGINNING for that child where this child had NEVER EXISTED before except in the mind and plan of the parents to one day have a child before they came together. 

              That is to say, every CHILD ever BORN has a BEGINNING of being brought into EXISTENCE INTO the world where they never existed before INCLUDING Jesus the SON OF Almighty God the Father. For unto us a CHILD is BORN and THEN AFTER the child has been born a SON is GIVEN. Please read Isaiah 9:6.7 which is a twofold PROPHECY of a YET coming SON in the FUTURE after this spoken word of PROPHECY came forth OUT FROM God.

               Isaiah 9:6,7.

           "For unto us a CHILD is BORN (and NOT unto us a pre-existing eternal God the SON is MANIFESTED to become flesh. AND), unto us a SON is GIVEN (referring to the CROSS when Jesus GAVE his human LIFE to redeem mankind to Yahweh. It was the Son of MAN who was lifted up on the cross): and the government SHALL BE upon his shoulder (still yet future): and his name SHALL BE called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God (mean mighty one and NOT the ALMIGHTY one), The everlasting Father (This does NOT mean that Jesus is the FATHER Yahweh HIMSELF, but rather means that Jesus SHALL BE called the father OF eternal life which authority and power to become called by this name was GIVEN TO Jesus BY his God and Father Yahweh himself who said he will PERFORM his spoken word that comes forth OUT FROM WITHIN himself. Jesus shall also be called), The Prince of Peace.
           7.  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this"

               So then, WHY do some Christians dogmatically demand without fail that when it comes to Jesus that his BIRTH is NOT the BEGINNING of the Jesus? And why do some Christians insist the Jesus was NOT born INTO the world as a human being, but rather they dogmatically demand that it was God the Son who was sent down out of heaven into the world. And then, the eternal God the Son became flesh but yet remained the fully divine eternal Almighty God having TWO natures, one divine, and one human, at the SAME time? 

               Let me ask you a very simple question. Has Jesus ALWAYS been a HUMAN BEING from all eternity past? Exactly! The obvious answer is a NO because humans are NOT eternal beings. Therefore Jesus, the HUMAN Jesus, had a BEGINNING where the HUMAN Jesus had never existed before except in the mind and PLAN of Almighty God to one day bring forth a SON and then GIVE his Son as an atonement for the sins of the world to reconcile the world back to himself. Now I want you to think about what the PROPHECIES referring to Jesus say. Have you read even one prophecy of God sending down his eternal Son from heaven to become flesh?

              The truth of the matter is that Jesus did not actually become the SON OF God until after Yahweh begot Jesus from the dead. The Bible itself says THIS DAY I have begotten you speaking of the RESURRECTION of Jesus and not his human birth. Please read the study "WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?".


               Now just one of the many differences between Jesus and the rest of mankind is that he was NOT conceived by a HUMAN father like every other human being, but rather Jesus was conceived by the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God to become FLESH. Then this flesh conceived in the womb of a human woman was born as a human child. And then the Son of MAN BECAME the father of eternal life only after Jesus was crucified on the cross and then glorified of the Father's glory.

               So then, FIRST the spoken word of saying of God was conceived and born of a human woman. Then the Son of MAN was ANOINTED at the baptism of Jesus who became obedient unto death on the cross and was raised from the dead and given immortal life by his God and Father and ALSO given all power and authority to raise the dead and give eternal life to whomsoever the SON chooses. And that is how Jesus became the father of everlasting life as prophesied in Isaiah 9:6, he shall be called everlasting father or father of everlasting.

              We will take a closer look at WHEN Almighty God actually BECAME the Father of his eternal Son Jesus, but first, let us read the gospel of Luke chapter 1 verses 24 through 35 where we learn how Jesus was actually conceived of Almighty God and then being brought into the world. Being BORN of a woman.

               Luke 1:24-35.


           “And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

           25. Thus has the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.

           26. And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

           27. To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

           28. And the angel came in unto her, and SAID, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women.

           29. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his SAYING, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

           30. And the angel SAID unto her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. (or in other words, Gabriel was SENT from Almighty God down to the Earth to declare a thus says the Lord WORD from Almighty God which is)

           31. And, behold, you shall CONCEIVE in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS. (the name Jesus means the salvation OF Yahweh meaning that ALMIGHTY God the FATHER is the savior whose has CHOSEN the use his only uniquely begotten SON as the MEANS by which to save mankind.)

           32. He shall be great, and shall be called the SON OF the Highest (and NOT that Jesus should be called THE ALMIGHTY himself or the MOST HIGH God himself, but rather Jesus shall be called the SON OF the Almighty, the HIGHEST or the MOST HIGH God who ALONE is the FATHER): and the Lord God (or the Lord God the ALMIGHTY, the FATHER) shall GIVE unto him the throne of his father David: (Almighty God the Father does not need to GIVE to HIMSELF what he ALREADY possesses)

           33. And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom, there shall be no end.

           34. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man (or HOW can I conceive a child in my womb seeing that I have never had intercourse with a man)?

           35. And the angel answered and SAID unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore (or for this reason) ALSO that holy thing which shall be BORN OF YOU shall be called the SON OF God.

           36. And, behold, your cousin Elisabeth, she has also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

           37. For with God nothing shall be impossible. (Now some say that it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to beget anything but GOD. They make the comparison of humans begetting humans, then FALSELY conclude that God can ONLY beget GOD or divinity can ONLY beget DIVINITY and then falsely conclude that Jesus must without fail, be DIVINE or even ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF. But I assure you that these doctrines of men to NOT agree with the WHOLE word of Almighty God. This verse clearly teaches us that NOTHING shall be IMPOSSIBLE with God. So then, it IS POSSIBLE for God to have a HUMAN SON, whom Almighty God the Father ANOINTED at the fullness of time to EMPOWER his SON Jesus to preach the gospel of deliverance to the Jews.)

           38. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to your WORD (or Mary said Here I am Lord I am willing to bear the child as your angel told me. Be it done unto me according to your WORD). And the angel departed from her.”



              Now, this does NOT mean that Almighty God literally came down from heaven and had intercourse with Mary in order for her to CONCEIVE in her womb a human child without descent of a human father. But rather Almighty God SENT his WORD, his spoken SAYING, into the world by way of his angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE the WORD of Almighty God to the Virgin Mary and then, when Mary AGREED with God's word, the Holy Spirit the overshadowed her and the power of God's spoken word mixed with faith then produced the seed of God's WORD to be CONCEIVED as a child or fetus in the womb of Mary and nine months later this HUMAN child was brought forth into existence where the HUMAN CHILD was then given the name Jesus, who had never existed before except in the mind and PLAN of Almighty God from before the foundation of the world.

              My point is this, Almighty God uses his SPOKEN WORD to bring forth into existence everything that he creates. This is what it means in John 1:11 which says and the WORD was WITH THE God and the WORD WAS God. But this does NOT mean that a tree, which is created BY the spoken WORD of Almighty God is FULLY Almighty God and FULLY a tree at the same time. This is New Age theology where everything is God including us. This is not what it means when the spoken WORD of God BECOMES what God has PLANNED in his mind or in his thoughts to be brought forth into existence. But rather it means that the WORD of Almighty God BECAME a tree when God spoke his WORD forth to bring into existence a tree that God visualized in his mind to be that had never existed before.

               Some of you may be thinking that I am speaking blasphemy to say that the Son of Man Jesus was CREATED by the spoken word of Yahweh the creator of all things. But I assure you that this is what the Bible ITSELF teaches us. Please read Jeremiah 31:22, which is a prophecy of Yahweh CREATING a NEW thing in the earth.

               Jeremiah 31:22.

               "How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has CREATED a NEW THING in the earth, A woman shall compass a man." 

        

               A NEW thing is something that God has never done before. And this NEW creation of Yahweh is described as a man child being COMPASSED by a woman. In other words, a human woman giving birth to a CREATION of Yahweh.

               John 1:14 clearly teaches us that the WORD of Almighty God BECAME flesh or was MADE flesh and the bible ITSELF does NOT say that the word became flesh but yet REMAINED fully God at the same time. Again the SPOKEN word becoming flesh does not dogmatically demand that this human child born of the Virgin Mary be FULLY Almighty God in the flesh and fully man at the same time having two natures one divine and one human as the ONLY possible meaning, because ALL things are POSSIBLE with God and with God NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE. 

                You see, in Luke 1:37, right before Mary agrees with the spoken word of Almighty God sent to her by the angel Gabriel we are told that NOTHING is impossible with God. So it is NOT impossible for Yahweh to literally become all that he creates and NOT REMAIN fully God at the same time as Trinitarians and Oneness believers dogmatically demand. You see, dear children of God, when Yahweh speaks a tree into existence a tree does NOT REMAIN fully God and be a tree at the same time, but rather Yahweh literal becomes a tree or any other IMAGE that he has WITHIN himself to bring forth into existence as he speaks FORTH that image OUT FROM himself.

               And Jesus himself said that he came FORTH OUT FROM God. 

               Please read John 16:27,28.


                                 "For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and (You, the disciples of Jesus) have believed that I CAME OUT FROM God. 

            28.  I CAME FORTH FROM the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."


            Now please read Isaiah 55:11.


            "So shall my word be that goes FORTH OUT FROM of my mouth: IT shall not return unto me void, but IT shall accomplish that which I please, and IT shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent IT."


                 Have you ever read John 1:1-5 from the Tyndale translation of the Bible?


                "In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 

            2. The same was in the beginnynge with God.
            3. All thinges were made by IT and with out IT was made nothinge that was made.
            4. In IT was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
            5. and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not."

 

              Now every Christian AGREES that God created all things by SPEAKING forth his word out from his mouth. So why then, is it so hard for some to believe that it is indeed possible for the WORD, the SPOKEN SAYING of God to BECOME a human being, as in, FULLY a HUMAN being without ANY of the divine nature of the word remaining in the Son of MAN Jesus when the WORD BECAME flesh? The Greek word "logos" translated as Word in John 1:1 is a Trinitarian BIAS translation to sway Christians to believe that the word is a separate divine eternal being who was WITH God the Father at the Father's side so they could have some scripture to support their doctrine of the Trinity. Look up the meaning of the Greek word "logos" and you will find that it means SPEECH, that which is SPOKEN, the SAYING of God. Also please read the in-depth study "JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!"

              But for now, please consider Luke 2:52 where we are taught that Jesus INCREASED in FAVOR with God.

                               Luke 2:52.

          “And Jesus INCREASED in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

      

               THINK this through for yourself. IF SO BE that Jesus himself were truly FULLY ALMIGHTY God himself in the flesh, then WHY would Almighty God need to INCREASE in FAVOR with HIMSELF? Even IF SO BE that Jesus PREEXISTED from all eternity past as some teach, then WHY would Jesus need to INCREASE with the wisdom and favor that he SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY possessed from all eternity past being an ETERNAL being that had NO BEGINNING. If Jesus was truly Yahweh himself in the days of his flesh then he would be ALL KNOWING in that he would have ALREADY possessed ALL WISDOM and would NOT have needed to INCREASE is wisdom.

                I mean WHY do some Christians cling so tightly to the traditions of men and teachings of the Roman Catholic church that Almighty God himself literally and FULLY actually transformed his entire divine being into a human being in such a way that this particular human being was fully 100% Almighty God AND fully 100% a human being at the same time having TWO natures, one divine, and one human. I mean if this were true and 100% of Almighty God was transformed into a SINGLE HUMAN being then God would no longer be God up in heaven, but God would have become a human being. And then the Oneness doctrine would lean more to this teaching of the Deity of Jesus during the days of his FLESH.

             The only reason that the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus was invented and finally added to the other man-made doctrine of the Trinity was to TRY and harmonize Scripture when QUESTIONS were being raised like WHY did the Father know the day and hour of His Son's return and the Son did NOT know if Jesus was truly Almighty God himself in the flesh?

              The truth of the matter is that when Yahweh himself becomes what he creates it is NOT ALL 100 % of Yahweh that becomes his creation. God is SPIRIT and Spirit is infinite. Gnostic Christians in the early church wrote things like if God becomes what he creates then God will run out of God. And when God created all things out from himself by speaking all things into existence his creation did NOT REMAIN the fully divine eternal Almighty God himself, but rather the spoken word, which is divine SPIRIT stripped itself of ALL its divine nature to take on the nature of whatever the IMAGE that was WITHIN the thoughts of Yahweh to create.

               Can you not see, my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, that it is the WORD of Almighty God that BECAME a TREE, when God spoke forth what he THOUGHT in his mind to BE as his thoughts, or the IMAGE God had in his mind of that tree was finally formed that way God wanted a tree to be. And then that finished IMAGE within God was brought forth in the form of his spoken WORD and then his spoken WORD BECAME what God THOUGHT or PLANNED to BE is his mind. So then, the WORD that was WITH God and AGREED expressly with what God was PLANNING in his mind to do when it was spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary and then Mary agreed by FAITH with the WORD being SPOKEN to her, saying be it done to me ACCORDING to your WORD, then the WORD at that moment in time BECAME flesh by being planted in the womb of Mary to be conceived and as human fetus and nine months later was born a human child and dwelt among mankind.

               This is HOW God CREATES. God sends his WORD forth, whether it be WRITTEN or SPOKEN. Then the reader or the hearer RECEIVES or REJECTS the WORD of God. Those who RECEIVE and BELIEVE the WORD of God, then become SOIL for the WORD of God to grow and bear the FRUIT which that particular WORD was sent to bear. For example, when a person hears the WORD of God concerning HEALING they first HEAR this WORD of healing. Now if they BELIEVE and RECEIVE this WORD of healing to be firmly planted in their heart, then the WORD is CONCEIVED in that person and begins growing. Then when the WORD grows to the point where it is ready to be brought forth the BELIEVER speaks forth that WORD of TRUTH and holds fast to this truth until the FRUIT of HEALING is MANIFESTED in the BELIEVING person. 

               In other words, the spoken word that was believed BECAME HEALING for the one who believed. The word WAS divine Spirit having life in it, and then the word BECAME HEALING. Almighty God BECOMES what God desires to BE. But in some areas, God REQUIRES us to BELIEVE in order for God's WORD to be manifested in us. God has PROVIDED SALVATION for EVERY human being, but WITHOUT FAITH a person cannot be saved. In other words, ONLY the WHOSOEVER who BELIEVES shall be saved. So do NOT be faithless but be BELIEVING in the SON OF Almighty God the Father so that Almighty God HIMSELF will come and DWELL IN YOU to empower you to over come sin and do the works that Jesus did.

               Now to ME, this traditional Orthodox church teaching of Jesus being EQUAL in every way with his God and Father, the one true and only Almighty God where neither is greater than or less than the other, simply does not agree with the WHOLE word of Almighty God, and thus this FALSE teaching is hindering the church from knowing that the SAME ETERNAL SPIRIT who DWELT IN Jesus now DWELLS IN them to empower all believers to do the SAME mighty works of healing that Jesus did THROUGH the eternal Spirit who DWELT IN him.

              So for ME, I see that the WORD, the spoken word of Almighty God, that was SENT down to the earth BY Almighty God through his angel Gabriel to be SPOKEN to the virgin Mary and then when Mary AGREED, be it done unto me according to your WORD, then the Holy Spirit of Almighty God created LIFE in the womb of Mary and she brought forth a son and called his NAME JESUS, which means YHWH saves or the salvation of YHWH, which means that Almighty God in the actual one who saves mankind through this MAN that he has created or has brought into existence who has never existed before.

               In other words, the HUMAN Jesus had a BEGINNING just like every other creation of Almighty God, who by the way did not actually BECOME the Father of his Son Jesus UNTIL only AFTER Jesus was BORN of a woman, became obedient unto death on the cross, AND was raised from the dead and then given immortality by his God and Father, the one true and only ALMIGHTY God to BECOME God's eternal Son. Please read Psalm 2:7-9, which is a PROPHECY of Jesus that clearly teaches us that on a certain DAY the Son of God would be BEGOTTEN, which means to be BORN or brought INTO EXISTENCE.

               Psalm 2:7-9.

           “I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, You are my Son; THIS DAY have I begotten you. (or THIS DAY have I Almighty God brought you into existence as my Son. This is something that has never been done before. God is doing a NEW thing. For a deeper understand of how Jesus can be God and yet Jesus is NOT the one true and ONLY Almighty God the Father, then please read the study called “OUR GOD IS ONE!”)

            8. Ask of me, and I shall GIVE you the heathen for your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession. (in other words, Jesus is reading this PROPHECY that he perceives is speaking of him and realizes that his God is his Father saying to him that he will give all these things to his SON. You see the PARENTS of Jesus KNEW that Jesus was not like any other child. Mary and Joseph KNEW that they had NO come together, but yet Mary still became pregnant and delivered a male child. Do not think that they never talked about this ever again. Just as any child has overheard their parents talking you can be sure that Jesus overheard some things from his parents. And most assuredly the book of Isaiah teaches us that Almighty God woke Jesus up morning by morning and opened his ear to HEAR. Jesus INCREASED in WISDOM and in FAVOR with his God and Father as he grew in stature. Remember HOW much Jesus had INCREASED in the knowledge of the scriptures at the young age of twelve when he profoundly told his mother that he must be about his Father's business.)

            9. You shall break them with a rod of iron; you shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”


               Then in Acts 13:29-34 we see this passage of scripture in this second Psalm being quoted in relation to Jesus being RAISED from the dead.

               Acts 13:29-34.


           “And when they had FULFILLED all that was WRITTEN of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher.

           30. But God RAISED him from the dead: (please read the study "John 2:19-DID JESUS RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD?" for a deeper understand that Almighty God the Father raised his Son Jesus from the dead through his very own self-same eternal Spirit)

           31. And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.

           32. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the PROMISE which was made unto the fathers (speaking of the scriptures PROPHESYING of the coming of a Messiah being raised up from AMONG the PEOPLE),

            33. God has FULFILLED the same unto us their children, IN THAT he has RAISED UP Jesus again; as it is also WRITTEN in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you (speaking of the certain specific DAY on which Almighty God RAISED his ONLY BEGOTTEN Son Jesus from the dead was the very DAY that Almighty God became a FATHER. Yes, Jesus was BORN of a woman who was CONCEIVED by the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, but Jesus had not yet learned obedience to become obedient unto death on the cross as an atonement for the sins of the world to fulfill all the God had brought him into the world to do)

           34. And as CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, NOW NO MORE to return to corruption (in other words, Jesus was GIVEN from his God and Father to be having IMMORTAL LIFE only AFTER God raised him from the dead, because if Jesus were truly FULLY God in the flesh, then it would have been impossible for Jesus to DIE because that which is eternal cannot die. And that was another reason the dual nature of the doctrine of the Deity was INVENTED. Church doctrine must harmonize with Scripture and the Doctrine of the Trinity was NOT harmonizing, so the so-called church fathers ADDED more of their philosophical man-made doctrines to MAKE their earlier man-made doctrine harmonize with Scripture. And if one QUESTIONED the authority of the church to make new doctrines they were excommunicated and heavily persecuted. Also 1 Timothy 6:13-16 clearly teaches us that Almighty God ALONE has IMMORTALITY from all eternity past.), he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”


               Please read John 5:26,27, which clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father GAVE his Son Jesus IMMORTAL LIFE to have eternal life n himself even as the Father has life in himself. And that Almighty God GAVE his Son AUTHORITY because he was the son of MAN and NOT that he was the Son of God.


           “For AS (or in the same way that) the Father HAS life IN himself; SO HAS he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;

           27. And has GIVEN him authority to execute judgment also, BECAUSE he is the Son of man.”



               Now please read Hebrews 1:5-9 which again teaches us that on the DAY that Jesus was BEGOTTEN FROM THE DEAD was the very DAY that Almighty God literally BECAME the FATHER of the savior of the world.

              Hebrews 1:5-9.


          “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again (or in another place it is written), I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a Son?

          6. And again, when he brings in the FIRST BEGOTTEN into the world (or in another place it is written that again at the SECOND coming of Jesus when God will AGAIN bring his Son as the FIRST BEGOTTEN from the dead back into the world), he said, And let all the angels of God worship him. (this is WHEN every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess the Jesus is LORD to the GLORY of Almighty God whether willingly or unwillingly)

          7. And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

          8. But unto the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.

          9. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore (or for this very REASON) God (Almighty God your Father), even YOUR God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”


               I mean this passage of scripture alone should be enough proof that Jesus did not BECOME God's eternal divine Son UNTIL AFTER the cross. There are many verses in the Bible that clearly teach us that Almighty God the Father is GREATER than his Son Jesus and is God OVER his Son Jesus whom he himself highly exalted to become a God and share in his glory sitting beside Almighty God on his throne to rule over the kingdom of God for 1000 years. For a deeper understanding of what I just said please read all the related studies that I will list a the end of this study in God's word. Acts 2:36 clearly teaches us that Almighty God has MADE or raised up his Son Jesus to be BOTH Lord and Christ.

               Acts 2:36.


          “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has MADE that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, BOTH Lord and Christ.”


              In other words, not only did Almighty God bring forth his Son into existence, but he also MADE his Son Jesus be or to come to be both Lord and Christ. If you truly are seeking the word of truth, then you will see that every thing that Jesus is or has was GIVEN to him by his God and Father the one true and ONLY Almighty God.


              The second thing that I want to point is that most every translation that I have read accurately translates the Greek word “eis” as the English word “INTO”, which the Young's Literal translation has translated to the English word “TO” rather than “INTO” where some have interpreted as meaning that God sent his Son “TO” the world, as in, DOWN to the earth, and thereby some falsely conclude that the phrase “God SENT his Son INTO the world” to mean without fail that God sent his SON FROM HEAVEN DOWN to the earth to be transformed into a human being but yet remaining FULLY God at the same time, because they want to have as many verses that they can in order to use them to try and support their man made doctrine of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus.

              Now while these doctrines have do indeed have SOME truth in them, they are not truly SOUND BIBLICAL teachings as a whole. I will explain what I mean by this as we continue this study in God's word, but first I want to point out to my readers and seekers of the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God that another meaning of the phrase, “God sent his Son “INTO” the world”, is that AFTER Jesus was already born as a human being on the earth that God, THEN sent his Son Jesus OUT INTO the world to teach his people about the one true and only Almighty God the Father. 

               Jesus came to SHOW us the Father. This is what the word “MANIFEST” means. God was MANIFEST in the FLESH. Jesus being FLESH and BLOOD just like you and me MANIFESTED or CLEARLY SHOWED us the one true and ONLY Almighty God the FATHER. Jesus came to MANIFEST to us the FATHER, the one true and only ALMIGHTY God. I mean think about this for a moment. How could Jesus be ALMIGHTY if he had a GOD OVER himself, who was HIS God and HIS Father? Even the very word ALMIGHTY means that there is NONE other God OVER the MOST HIGH God or the HIGHEST God. Jesus is never called the HIGHEST, but rather Jesus is called the SON OF the Highest.


JESUS ANOINTED BY ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER


              With that being said let us begin this next section of this study in God's word of truth by reading Luke 4:15-21, which shortly after Jesus was baptized in water by John and the Holy Spirit of Almighty God descend from heaven and remained upon Jesus who led Jesus into the wilderness where he was tempted by the devil for forty days.


          “And Jesus returned (or after Jesus returned from being baptized by John in water and anointed by the holy Spirit of God that empower him to overcame the temptations of the devil Jesus came) in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. (Just like the angel Gabriel speaking God's word of prophecy said to the Virgin Mary, that holy thing in you shall become GREAT and he shall be called the Son of God)

          15. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

          16. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

          17. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, (Jesus knew by the Holy Spirit teaching him morning by morning when he was a child that the Scriptures spoke of him and now he understood that it was his time to fulfill the Scriptures.)

          18. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has ANOINTED me TO preach the gospel to the poor; he has SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, (please notice what the Bible itself teaches, which is that God ANOINT the Son of MAN first before God SENT his Son into the world to preach the gospel. The Greek word translated as "sent" means COMMISSIONED. And the word commission means to give authority and power to accomplish a task that one is given to do)

          19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

          20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 

          21. And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY is this scripture FULFILLED in your ears.”


       

              So then, the true sound Biblical meaning of Jesus being SENT INTO the world actually means that Jesus was lead by the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit to go OUT among the people out in the world and preach the kingdom of God.

              In other words, the phrase “God SENT his Son INTO the WORLD” does NOT have to be dogmatically taught and demanded to mean that Almighty God sent his pre-existing Son down FROM heaven INTO to the earth and therefore Jesus must have always pre-existed with his Father IN heaven at his Father's side from all eternity past before God SENT his Son INTO the world as some have falsely concluded this phrase to mean without fail. And some Trinitarian Christians teach this false doctrine so dogmatically that it instills FEAR into some believers so much so that they fear to ever question what they have been taught. These dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ do not understand that these verses can and should be INTERPRETED in another way which does NOT contradict any other part of God's word. 

              Now if you are a Catholic or a former Catholic have you ever been TAUGHT never to QUESTION what your priest or nun has taught you? Or if you are a Protestant Christian have you ever been told not to question your pastor teaches. I have. But I assure you that this is NOT what God's word teaches us. We are instructed to search the word of God daily in order to find out if what we are being TAUGHT is the TRUTH of the whole word of God. So the only reason that I see that anyone or any group would say not to QUESTION them is that they want to CONTROL you and lord over you for personal gain. So be cautious of churches which teach that they only have the truth and if you do not belong to their church or denomination, then you cannot be saved. 

               I was taught when I was a child growing up in the Catholic church that if I ever left the Catholic church that I would go straight to hell and I could not be saved unless I was a Catholic. Well, that is enough said for now on that side journey. Let us get back to the study at hand and take a closer look at the second question as to WHEN did Jesus actually DESCEND DOWN to the EARTH?


                   WHEN DID JESUS DESCEND FROM HEAVEN?


               Now some of you may be thinking to yourself, well what about the verses, which say that Jesus DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, does this not prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father?


              This is a good point and therefore it should not be brushed under the rug, so to speak. So again I apologize for not clarifying these verses and passages of scripture in my other studies.

               Now as we take a CLOSER look at these verses please keep in mind that whatever we CONCLUDE these verses or passages of scripture to mean that the conclusion one draws must AGREE with the rest of God's word. In other words, if one dogmatically demands that these verses mean without fail that Jesus must have pre-existed with Almighty God from all eternity past as God's SON, then this conclusion or interpretation must AGREE with the rest of God's word. And if it does NOT agree with the WHOLE word of God then it should be rejected and being a FALSE teaching.

               So then, let us begin this section by taking a closer look at one of the most widely used verses to try and prove that Jesus pre-existed with the Father in heaven because it plainly states that Jesus came DOWN FROM HEAVEN or DESCEND from heaven down to the earth. Please read John 3:13, which does indeed plainly state that Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. But WHAT does this statement of fact TRULY MEAN in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.


           “And NO MAN has ascended up to heaven, but he that CAME DOWN from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN heaven.”


               You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, when this verse is kept in the CONTEXT of where it is found you can see that Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus about the yet FUTURE death, resurrection, ascension into heaven to his God and Father and to our God and Father before the Son of man DESCENDED BACK to the EARTH in order to be seen of his disciples for forty days to show himself ALIVE from the dead in a new flesh and bone immortal body that he received from his God and Father the one true and only Almighty God.

               In other words, this verse does NOT dogmatically mean without fail that Jesus descended from heaven at the time in which he was BORN of a woman. But rather this verse is referring to WHEN Jesus ASCENDED FIRST into heaven and then he DESCENDED BACK DOWN to the earth for a period of forty days to show himself alive for ever more before he ASCENDED a second time back into heaven to now be IN heaven at the right hand of the Father awaiting his second coming. 

                Those who teach the false doctrine of soul sleep where the dead are dead and no not one righteous believer has ever ascended into heaven to be present with the Lord after they have died also MISINTERPRET this verse found in John 3:13. But in truth, NO MAN had ever ascended into heaven BEFORE that TIME in history when Jesus being a MAN ascended into heaven with the souls of the Old Testament saints. Please read the study called “WHAT AND WHERE IS PARADISE” for a deeper understanding of why the doctrine of soul sleep is not a sound Biblical teaching, but for now, let us continue with this study in God's word.


                 This phrase “CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN” is used five more times in the Bible and in these five times they are referring to Jesus being the bread of life COME DOWN from heaven. All these other five uses of this phrase “CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN” are found in John 6:38-58. Again the CONTEXT teaches us that Jesus was sent from God to do his Father's will, which was to die on the cross in order to BECOME the BREAD of LIFE so that whosoever will eat of this true bread of life shall live and not perish. Jesus said in John 6:51 that he was the bread of life and that this bread of life was his flesh which he would one day very soon lay down of his own will bbecoming obedient to his God and Father's will to suffer and die for the sins of the world.


     “I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I WILL GIVE is my flesh, which I WILL GIVE for the life of the world.”


       Please keep in mind that the gospels and the entire New Testament was written AFTER all these events of Jesus had already taken place. In other words, John was giving his account of what he remembered Jesus doing and teaching. So at times it may SEEM that Jesus CAME DOWN from heaven at his BIRTH. But the truth of the matter is that one of the reasons that Jesus was born into to world to TEACH us of Almighty God the Father. You see in the Bible the word "BREAD" is often used to speak of a "TEACHING".

       So also please keep in mind that the term or the word “BREAD” is used in scripture to speak of DOCTRINE or TEACHING. Jesus used the term LEAVEN to refer to the FALSE TEACHINGS of the Sadducees and Pharisees. Please read Matthew 16:5-12, which teaches us that BREAD can also mean TEACHING. In other words, it was the TEACHING that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to the Father that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. The TEACHING of Jesus brings LIFE. God's word QUICKENS us or makes us alive from being spiritually dead in our sins.


     “And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.

     6. Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

     7. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no BREAD.

     8. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O you of little faith, why reason you among yourselves, because you have brought no BREAD?

     9. Do you not yet UNDERSTAND, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets you took up?

     10. Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets you took up?

     11. How is it that you do NOT UNDERSTAND that I spake it NOT to you concerning BREAD, that ye should beware of the LEAVEN of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

     12. Then understood they how that he bade them NOT beware of the leaven of BREAD, but of the DOCTRINE of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”


       So again, it was the BREAD of LIFE or more precisely it was the TEACHING that Jesus was the ONE whom the scriptures PROPHESIED would be raised up from among the people to be the savior of the world that came down from heaven. You see, in truth Jesus was teaching the Jews of his yet FUTURE death, resurrection, ascension and his COMING DOWN from heaven only after he was going to be drawn up into heaven to be given IMMORTALITY by his God and Father and would be then that Jesus would COME DOWN from heaven BACK to the earth to show that he had conquered death hell and the grave and was ALIVE forever more and to show that he was indeed the SON of Almighty God.

       Please read Proverbs 30:4 from the New Century Version.


     “Who has GONE UP to heaven and COME BACK DOWN ? Who can hold the wind in his hand? Who can gather up the waters in his coat? Who has set in place the ends of the earth? What is his name or his SON'S name? Tell me, if you know!

     5. Every word of God is true. He guards those who come to him for safety. 

     6. Do not add to his words, or he will correct you and prove you are a liar.”


       Please notice that the WHEN that Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN was only AFTER Jesus had FIRST ASCENDED UP into heaven after he was raised from the dead to be given IMMORTAL life from his God and Father. And then only AFTER Jesus had ascended UP into heaven is WHEN Jesus came BACK DOWN from heaven to show himself ALIVE by many infallible proofs.

       So then, to use these verses to try and prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father IN heaven is to ADD to the word of God and going beyond what the whole word of God truly teaches us.


       Now let us address these made made doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus being FULLY 100% ALMIGHTY God in the flesh and fully 100% man at the same time by taking a closer look at Philippians 2:5-11, which teaches us that whatever form or divine nature that the WORD was before the word BECAME flesh was stripped of every advantage of being divine and BECAME of was MADE to be flesh.


       Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the New International Version.


     “YOUR attitude should be the SAME as that of Christ Jesus:

     6. Who, being in very nature God, did NOT consider equality with God something to be grasped,

     7. but made himself NOTHING, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

     8. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!

     9. Therefore (or for this very REASON) God EXALTED him to the highest place and GAVE him the name that is above every name,

     10. that (or so that) at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

     11.and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory of God the Father.”


       Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Complete Jewish Bible.


     “Let your attitude toward one another be governed by your being in union with the Messiah Yeshua:

     6. Though he was in the FORM of God, he did NOT regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.

     7. On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being,

     8. he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death - death on a stake as a criminal!

     9. Therefore (or for this very REASON) God RAISED him to the highest place and GAVE him the name above every name;

     10. that in HONOR of the NAME given Yeshua, every knee will bow - in heaven, on earth and under the earth, 

     11. and every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is ADONAI - TO the glory of God the Father.””


       Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Darby Translation.


     “For let this mind be in you which [was] also in Christ Jesus;

     6. who, SUBSISTING in the FORM of God, did NOT esteem it an object of RAPINE to be on an equality with God;

     7. but EMPTIED himself, taking a bondman's form, taking his place in [the] likeness of men;

     8. and having been found in figure as a man, humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, and [that the] death of [the] cross.

     9. Wherefore (or for this very REASON) also God highly exalted him, and granted him a NAME, that which is above every name,

     10. that at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly and earthly and infernal [beings], 

     11. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord TO God [the] Father's GLORY.


       The word “SUBSISTING” means to remain or continue in existence in the FORM of God, which is SPIRIT that is invisible that no man as seen nor can see. Jesus came to show us the on true and only Almighty God the Father who is invisible and cannot be seen by man or understood by man. This is what is meant by the words “God was MANIFEST in the FLESH. The word “MANIFEST” means to SHOW CLEARLY and to cause to UNDERSTAND correctly who the one true and only Almighty God is and his true nature.

       And the word “RAPINE” means to take by force.

       In other words, it never entered into the mind of Jesus who was given all authority and power to sit at the right hand of Almighty God to exalt himself to be EQUAL with his God and Father. Jesus himself said that the Father is GREATER than himself. This is what this passage of scripture truly means. But also this passage of scripture has been interpreted to mean that before Jesus ever came into existence Jesus existed with Almighty God in the FORM or the NATURE of God, which is SPIRIT and was known as the Word that was with God in the beginning. Then when God spoke forth his WORD that was with him in the FORM of Almighty God, then the WORD humbled himself and then BECAME a HUMAN BEING leaving behind any and all of his DIVINE nature so that Jesus could be found in the appearance of a man.


       Now some may argue and say well other translations like the Kings James Version says that Jesus did not think it robbery to be EQUAL with God, which some conclude to mean that Paul was saying that Jesus considered himself to be EQUAL with Almighty God the Father and did not consider this to be robbery.

       But is this truly what Paul is saying or is this just an INTERPRETATION to force these words of Paul to agree with the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus?

       Remember this first rule of interpretation. KEEP the verse in question in the CONTEXT of where it is found.

       So then, the CONTEXT teaches us that WE are to have this same MIND of our Lord Jesus Christ, which ACCORDING to those who teach these misleading doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, is that WE are to ALSO consider it not robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God. Is not this what verse 5, the CONTEXT of this verse in question plainly states.

       Let this MIND be IN YOU as it was in Jesus Christ? So then, IF one is to dogmatically demand that the mind of Jesus was truly saying that Jesus did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God, then WE are to have this very same MIND of Jesus Christ and ALSO think it not robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God.

       Now I personally am not going to demand that I am EQUAL with Almighty God, not now or ever.

        The truth of the matter is that the Old English may sound or appear on the surface like Jesus is saying that he that he THOUGHT it NOT ROBBERY to be EQUAL with God, but what Jesus is actually saying is that Jesus thought NOT the idea of robbery to become EQUAL with God. In other words, the THOUGHT of STEALING or the taking by force to become equal with God or even to remotely consider that he was equal with God did not ever even enter the mind of Jesus Christ, but rather the mind of Jesus Christ was to humble himself even to becoming obedient unto death on the cross. In the LITERAL this verse simply says ROBBERY to be equal with God he thought NOT. And for this very reason of the obedience of Jesus Almighty God HIGHLY EXALTED him and GAVE him a NAME that is above every other name so that all men will one day bow down to his Son to honor his name to the GLORY of Almighty God the Father.

       So then, what this passage of scripture in Philippians 2:5-11 is actually and truly saying is that Jesus thought NOT “ROBBERY”, or Jesus thought NOT, “the idea of ROBBERY” to steal or take by force that status of being EQUAL with his God and Father the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, which AGREES with the very words of Jesus when he said that the Father is GREATER than himself. In the LITERAL this verse simply says ROBBERY to be equal with God he thought NOT.

       Now some who still want to try and defend these false teachings of the trinity and the deity of Jesus where Jesus is EQUAL in every way with Almighty God the Father seem to always run back to John 1:1 and dogmatically demand that the phrase “the Word WAS God” means without fail that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God case closed end of discussion.

       But please keep in mind that John 1:1 does NOT say in the beginning was JESUS, and JESUS was WITH God, and JESUS WAS God, but rather the word of TRUTH clearly, and plainly says that in a beginning was the word, and the word was with THE God and the word was God. Please notice that in the original Greek it does not say that the word was THE God, but rather that the word was God or god. For a deeper understanding on this subject please read the study called “JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD”, but for now let us continue with the study at hand.

       Another way that this verse in John 1:1 is translated is that in a beginning was the logos and the logos was with THE God and what God was the logos was, which indicates that Almighty God and his word AGREED as one. In other words, God does not say one thing and mean another, but rather God's word is in AGREEMENT with God's true nature. Now this translation makes it pretty clear to me, that whatever Almighty God SPOKE forth in the FORM of his WORD then his WORD BECAME what ever God's thoughts were. So in essence what ever God THOUGHT and then SPOKE forth in the FORM of his WORD then BECAME the exact express image of what God was. The Bible says that even as a man THINKS so IS he. So our very thoughts BECOME into reality if we continue dwelling on them and speak them forth in faith. Please read the study “THE POWER OF OUR WORDS!” for a deeper understanding of speaking forth faith filled words based upon the word of God.

       Anyway getting back on track even if one were to INTERPRET John 1:1 to dogmatically mean without fail that the phrase “the WORD was God” that JESUS was God the context of John 1:1 goes on to say that the word BECAME flesh. So in the light of Philippians 2:5-11 one must conclude that the word STRIPPED himself of every advantage of this FORM or DIVINE NATURE and BECAME a human being laying aside or leaving behind every advantage of it's dormer divine nature. Please read the study "PHILIPPIANS 2:6 A TRINITARIAN DILEMMA!"

       Also to dogmatically demand that Jesus WAS THE God is in reality saying the Jesus IS the FATHER, which contradicts the doctrine of the trinity, because the Bible clearly teaches us that the FATHER alone is the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Please read 1 Corinthians 8:6, which clearly teaches us that the early church taught that the ONE God was the FATHER.


     “But to US there is but ONE God, the FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”


      And the Bible teaches us that in order to inherit eternal life in the world of come we must have or believe in BOTH Almighty God the FATHER and in his SON Jesus the CHRIST, which mean the ANOINTED one of Almighty God. Please read the study “JESUS THE CHRIST” to better understand that Jesus did the works that he did not because he was supposedly fully Almighty God in the flesh, and not because he was the SON of God, but rather it was the Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father DWELLING IN his Son Jesus being the Son of MAN that was how Jesus was empowered to do the works that he did. And this again is one of the many reason why I teach against the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, because they exalt Jesus beyond the word of TRUTH and therefor deceive the people of God that ONLY Jesus can live without sin and heal people.

       But the TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus said the WORKS that I do YOU shall do ALSO. And COLLECTIVELY we shall do greater works, because there are many of us where there was only one Jesus. However, in order to do these works of Jesus you must first BELIEVE.

         Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below are some other verses that are used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus. There may be other verses which you may be having trouble seeing any other way than what you were dogmatically taught over and over for so long, but I assure you that each and every verse used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity does indeed have a different meaning that does NOT CONTRADICT any other part of God's word. If there is a verse that I have not listed please do not hesitate to write and let me know. Some verse are included in others studies and they may not appear as an individual study.If there is a verse of verses that you seem to struggle with only being able to see the doctrine of the trinity when you read this verse, then please search out the truth be listening to the other side of the controversy. No one can arrive at the truth by hearing only ONE side of the controversy. I only present you with ALL the evidence that I myself have found and leave it to you to decide what you want to believe.

       Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

       Mark.

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       Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity.

            Genesis 1:26--- Let us make man in our image.

            Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

       Genesis 19:24--- YHWH rained down fire... from YHWH.

            Isaiah 6:3--- Holy, Holy, Holy.

            Isaiah 7:14--- Call his name Immanuel (meaning God with us)

            Isaiah 9:6--- Mighty God, Everlasting Father.

            Isaiah 48:16--- The Lord and his Spirit has sent me (trinity)

       Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

       Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

            Matthew 1:23--- Emmanuel, being interpreted God with us.

       Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

            John 1:1--- And the Word was God.

            John 2:19-22--- Jesus raised himself from the dead.

            John 5:18--- Making himself equal with God.

            John 8:24--- If you do not believe I am [he], you shall die...

            John 8:58--- Before Abraham was, I am.

            John 10:30--- I and my Father are one.

            John 14:19--- He who has seen me has seen the Father.

            John 20:28--- My Lord and my God.

       Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

       Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

            2 Corinthians 13:14---Trinity

            Ephesians 3:9-11---DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

            Colossians 2:9--- Godhead.

            Philippians 2:6---Thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

            1 Timothy 3:16--- God was manifest in the flesh.

            Titus 2:13--- Looking for... our great God and Savior Jesus...

       TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

            Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

            Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?---Who is Melchizedek?

       1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

       1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

            2 Peter 2:1--- God and our Savior Jesus Christ.

            2 Peter 3:18--- Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (Isaiah 43:11)

            Revelation 1:8--- I am Alpha and Omega...the Almighty.

       Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6)

            Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.

            Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

       Your brother in our Lord Jesus the CHRIST.

        Mark.


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