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The question has been asked, “What does Isaiah 9:6 mean?” And more specifically, what does “EVERLASTING FATHER” truly mean? We know that this verse of Scripture is a PROPHECY of the coming of the Messiah who shall be born of a virgin but what does this verse mean when the Messiah is called the MIGHTY GOD and the EVERLASTING FATHER? Does this mean that Jesus is THE one true and only ALMIGHTY God? Does this verse mean that Jesus IS THE everlasting or the ETERNAL Almighty God the FATHER? In other words, are the words “EVERLASTING FATHER” here in Isaiah 9:6 INTENDED to mean that Jesus, the Son of Almighty God the Father is, without fail, Almighty God the FATHER the ONLY true God? Does Isaiah 9:6 prove that the Oneness Pentecostal doctrine is true? Is Jesus Yahweh the Father and the Son at the SAME time? OR Is Jesus a SEPARATE distinctly DIFFERENT person from Almighty God the Father? Does Jesus being called the Mighty God in Isaiah 9:6 prove that the doctrine of the Trinity is true?
What does Isaiah 9:6 TRULY mean in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God?
Let us begin this study by reading Isaiah 9:6 from a few different translations beginning with the King James Version of the Bible. Just as a reminder to my readers, I always use the King James Version when I quote Scripture unless I specify otherwise. Now I do however change the “thee” and the “thou” as well as a few other Old English words to our modern-day speech of today.
Isaiah 6:9 from the King James Version (KJV)
“For unto us a child is born, unto us, a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
Now from the KJV, the phrase “The mighty God” has been INTERPRETED by some Oneness and Trinitarian Christians as “THE Mighty God” meaning that Jesus is THE Mightiest of all gods. And thus, to those Oneness and Trinitarian Christians, the phrase “The mighty God” means that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. And the phrase “The everlasting Father” has been INTERPRETED by almost ALL Oneness Christians as “THE Everlasting FATHER” meaning that Jesus is one and the self-same being as THE Everlasting Father or THE ETERNAL FATHER, who has NO beginning and NO end. In other words, to almost all Oneness Pentecostal Christians, Jesus is a VISIBLE “MANIFESTATION” of the INVISIBLE only true God, Yahweh the Father where Jesus is NOT a SEPARATE person from the Father. ALL Oneness Christians believe that the only true God is ONE God in ONE person. Now, just so you know up-front, I also believe that the only true God who is the CREATOR is ONE God in ONE person. I do NOT believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. But at the same time, I can NEVER believe in the doctrine of Oneness either. I believe that the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that Jesus is a SEPARATE distinctly DIFFERENT person from the Father. It has always puzzled me that some Trinitarians actually use this verse of Scripture in Isaiah 9:6 to try and prove that Jesus is Almighty God Himself by using the phrase “the mighty God” WITHOUT mentioning the phrase “the everlasting Father.” For you see, IF this verse is INTERPRETED in this way as Jesus being the everlasting Father in ETERNITY PAST, then that “interpretation” would make Jesus ALSO be one and the SELF-SAME being as the FATHER. And that “interpretation” would contradict the doctrine of the Trinity which plainly states that Almighty God the Father is NOT the SON, and the SON is NOT the FATHER. In other words, such an INTERPRETATION would better support the doctrine of the ONENESS believers as opposed to supporting the doctrine of the Trinity. Let us not jump ahead and ASSUME ANY interpretations of Isaiah 9:6 prematurely, without FIRST, examining ALL the evidence. The Bible teaches us in Proverbs 18:12,13 to hear the WHOLE matter BEFORE we judge the matter lest we are found to sound foolish. Therefore, let us continue to read this verse from several more different translations to discern its TRUE sound Biblical meaning in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.
Isaiah 9:6 from the Bible in Basic English (BBE).
“For to us a child has come, to us, a son is given; and the government has been placed in his hands; and he has been named Wise Guide, Strong God, Father forever, Prince of Peace.”
Now in this translation, we see that the phrase “THE mighty God” has been translated as “Strong God”. And, to me, this translation takes the emphasis off pf the definite article “THE” to at least let us see the “possibility” of Jesus being a STRONG God, or “a” MIGHTY God. In other words Jesus is a STRONG God, as opposed to Jesus being THE STRONGEST God. Also, please notice that the phrase “The everlasting Father” is translated as “Father FOREVER”. And again, this takes the emphasis off of the definite article “THE” so that we can at least see the “possibility” of Jesus being a father, but yet, not THE ETERNAL FATHER who has no beginning. In other words, I would like my readers to consider at least the possibility that Jesus has been made to become a father forever, by THE Eternal FATHER the one true and only ALMIGHTY God MAKING him a father. Please bear with me and this will all come clear to you as you continue this study in God's word.
Here is Isaiah 9:6 from the Douay-Rheims Bible.
“For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.”
In this translation, we see that the phrase “The mighty God” is translated as “God the MIGHTY” which again, takes the emphasis off the article “THE” so we can see the possibility of Jesus being “a” mighty God or a God who is mighty but not necessarily dogmatically demanding that Jesus is “THE” one true and only ALMIGHTY God the MIGHTIEST of all Gods. And again, the phrase “The Everlasting Father” is translated here as being “the Father OF the world to come” which is speaking of the 1000 year reign of Jesus. The definite article “THE” is NOT in the original Hebrew text but some Christians do not study the Bible for themselves. But rather, they were told whenever you see the word or the article “THE” in front of the word “God” that that means the one true and only Almighty God. But that is not ALWAYS true. Most of the time it is true, but not all of the time. I like this translation because we can cross-reference this truth of Jesus being the RULER in the world to come as the King of kings and the Lord of lords who will rule FOR Yahweh the Father for 1000 years. In other words, we can compare Scripture with Scripture to see what the rest of God's word is also saying in order to CORRECTLY interpret Isaiah 9:6 in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. So then, let us take a side journey for a bit and go to the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28. But before we do I would like you to read one more translation of Isaiah 9:6 from a paraphrased version of the Bible which, to me, really sheds some light as to how to correctly interpret just WHO this child is that is prophesied to come. Now, of course, we as Christians have come to understand that this child yet to be born at the time the prophecy was first given is Jesus. And we know that Jesus has already been born as the FULFILLMENT of the first phrase “For unto us, a CHILD is BORN”. And we all know that Jesus has already suffered and died on the cross and that he has already been raised from the dead. So we can readily see that the second phrase, unto us, a Son is GIVEN, which means the HUMAN Son of MAN was GIVEN to be lifted up on the cross and NOT some pre-existent God the Son was lifted up on the cross. And now, we are waiting for the phrase “and the government SHALL be upon HIS shoulders” to come to pass, which will be fulfilled at the second coming of Jesus. And that is WHEN the highly exalted GLORIFIED Son of MAN, Jesus will be called by his NEW NAME the mighty God and the father of eternal life in the world to come. For you see, it was AFTER the cross that the HUMAN Son of God, Jesus, was GIVEN the power and the authority to give eternal life.
Now let us take a look at Isaiah 9:6 from the Message Bible.
“For a child has been born - for us! the gift of a son - for us! He'll take over the running of the world. His names will be, Amazing Counselor, Strong God, Eternal Father, Prince of Wholeness.”
Now, I do not normally like to use paraphrased versions very often, but that way that the phrase “ and the government shall be upon his shoulder” is translated here as “He'll take over the running of the world.” better describes what will actually take place in the world to come, the 1000 year reign of Jesus. For you see, The Bible itself does, indeed, teach us that Jesus will TAKE OVER his Father's kingdom for 1000 years to rule and reign as “a” mighty God, FOR Yahweh during Yahweh’s seventh 1000 year-long Sabbath day of rest. With that being said, now let us read 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 where we see that Jesus will step down from ruling as the God of the whole earth AFTER the 1000 years of the world to come have ended.
1 Corinthians 15:20-28.
“But now is Christ (The anointed one Jesus) risen from the dead, and BECOME the FIRST fruits of them that slept (In other words, Jesus is the FIRST human being born from the DEAD to be GIVEN the divine nature of eternal life to become the FIRST fruits among many BRETHREN or among many others who BELIEVE in him to endure unto the end. To say this another way, AFTER the CROSS, Jesus BECAME the Father OF ETERNAL LIFE of those who BELIEVE. That is to say, his name or his title SHALL BE called in that day when he comes again, the Father of EVERLASTING life. For you see, his God and Father, the one true and only ALMIGHTY God THE FATHER, has GIVEN his Son Jesus the power and the authority to RAISE the dead and then give those who BELIEVE in Jesus this same ETERNAL LIFE that Almighty God the Father GAVE to his FIRSTBORN Son, Jesus. Right NOW, Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God but all who BELIEVE in Jesus are given the power to BECOME eternal sons of God as well. I will give you all the verses that teach us this truth after you have read this passage of Scripture.) 21. For since by MAN came death, (Then ALSO it must be) BY MAN came ALSO the resurrection of the dead. (Jesus is called the LAST Adam to do what the first Adam failed to do) 22. For as in Adam all die, even so IN Christ (Or in the anointed chosen man Jesus) shall all be made alive. (In other words, to say this another way, it is only right and just that since BY a MAN sin entered into the world that it should also be BY a MAN that the sins OF MAN be atoned BY a MAN as well. And Jesus was that chosen MAN to be the atonement for the sins of the whole world by his God and Father who alone is the one true and only Almighty God) 23. But every MAN in his own ORDER: Christ (The MAN Jesus the Christ who was the anointed one of Almighty God the Father with his Holy Spirit to be the FIRST in the ORDER to be resurrected as the) the FIRST fruits, (Or the FIRST MAN to ever be raised from the dead and then GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE even as the Father has LIFE in HIMSELF, which is IMMORTAL LIFE) afterward (Or the next humans to be GIVEN eternal life are) they that are Christ's at his coming. (Speaking of only the faithful believers, the anointed ones, or the believers who have the Spirit of God dwelling in them, who are found to be faithful at the second coming of Jesus shall be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come. This harvest of righteous people IN Jesus in this present world is called the FIRST resurrection. The third and final harvest of righteous people will be at the END of the 1000 year reign of Jesus) 24. Then comes the end, (Speaking of the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus) WHEN he (Speaking of Jesus) shall have DELIVERED UP the kingdom TO God, even the Father; (Here we see that God is CLEARLY identified as the FATHER to whom the kingdom will be delivered BACK into his hands at the END of the 1000 year reign of his SON Jesus) when He (Almighty God the Father) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (Through his Son Jesus) 25. For he (Speaking of the NOW glorified highly exalted Son of MAN, Jesus) must reign, till He (Again, speaking of Almighty God the Father) has put all enemies under his feet (Speaking of His Son's feet) 26. The LAST enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (Which will not be destroyed until after the 1000 year reign of Jesus has ended. And that is when Almighty God the Father will resume control over His kingdom and executes the final phase of His wrath to destroy all the wicked in the lake of fire. That is when the LAST enemy death and hell shall be destroyed) 27. For He (Almighty God the Father) has put all things under his feet (Again, speaking of the feet of His Son) But when He (Almighty God the Father) said ALL things are put under him, (Speaking of His Son Jesus) it is manifest (Or it is CLEARLY SHOWN or CLEARLY MADE KNOWN. This is what the word manifest means, to clearly show and made perfectly understood) that He (Speaking of Almighty God the Father) is excepted, (In other words, Almighty God the Father is the one who will put ALL things under His Son Jesus EXCEPT for HIMSELF who shall always be the Almighty God OVER His Son Jesus. So then, to all my Oneness readers, it was ANOTHER separate person, the FATHER) which did put all things under him (Referring to Almighty God the Father which did put all things under His highly exalted glorified Son Jesus in whom the Father was well PLEASED) 28. And WHEN all things shall be subdued unto him, (Speaking of Jesus the Son) THEN shall the Son ALSO himself be SUBJECT unto Him (Speaking of Jesus COMMITTING the ruling of the Kingdom BACK into the hands of his God, Almighty God the Father) that put all things under him, (WHY? Why is Jesus, the God of the world to come, speaking of the 1000 year reign of Jesus, going to commit BACK into the hands of his God and Father the kingdom of Almighty God that the FATHER GAVE to the Son of MAN, Jesus, if so be that Jesus is Yahweh Himself? Remember that it was AFTER the CROSS that the Son of MAN, Jesus was GIVEN the authority to reign FOR Yahweh during the 1000 years in the world to come by his God and Father. The only logical answer to ME, is that Jesus is NOT Yahweh Himself but rather Jesus is the real genuine Son OF Yahweh. And Jesus will steep down from ruling as the mighty God of the whole EARTH) THAT (Or so that) God (Speaking of Almighty God the Father) may be ALL in all.”
Now, earlier in this passage of Scripture, I said that I would give you the verses that teach us the TRUTH that the MAN Jesus the Son of the living God was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE even as his God and Father has IMMORTAL life in HIMSELF. Please read 1 Timothy 6:13-16, which clearly teaches us that ALMIGHTY God ALONE has always had IMMORTALITY.
1 Timothy 6:13-16.
“I give you CHARGE in the sight of God, WHO quickens (Or who makes alive or gives LIFE to) all things, AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; (Please notice that there are TWO SEPARATE persons being spoken of in the verse and in every book in the New Testament. Please read the study “VERSES THAT PROVE JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER!”) 14. That you keep this commandment (Or I give you CHARGE that you keep this instruction or this TEACHING) without spot, not able to be rebuke, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15. Which in his times (Speaking of the first and second coming of Jesus) he (Jesus the Son of MAN during his ministry and NOW the glorified eternal Son of God in the world yet to come) shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16. Who ONLY has immortality, (Meaning who ONLY has always had immortality as being the SOURCE of all life. Jesus the Son of MAN was GIVEN the divine nature of immortality to be having in himself, even as the Father has always possessed life in Himself. So the “WHO” in this verse that is the ONLY one who has always had immortality is the INVISIBLE Almighty God Yahweh the Father) dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”
The LITERAL translation reads who no HUMAN has seen nor can see and that is because God would not allow a mere MORTAL human to see all of his glory lest they would die. But I am quite sure that when we are given the right to partake of the divine nature to become IMMORTAL divine beings that we will indeed see our heavenly Father AND His Son Jesus our Lord. Clearly, mortal men HAVE seen Jesus and WILL yet SEE Jesus again when God BRINGS His FIRST-BEGOTTEN Son from the DEAD back into the world to be WORSHIPED even as we worship the Father to the GLORY OF Almighty God the Father. The Greek word that is translated as “POTENTATE” here means SOVEREIGN. Now, the word “Sovereign” means the chief of state or the chief ruler of a Monarchy. The word sovereign also means SUPREME which means GREATEST in power, in rank, in degree, in authority, the utmost, the extreme, the ultimate, and the FINAL authority. In other words, the one true God who Jesus came to SHOW us or to REVEAL to us is the ONLY SOVEREIGN ALMIGHTY God who is the ONLY one who has ALWAYS had and always will have IMMORTALITY and who is also not able to be SEEN by mortal man. And there is only ONE being who fits this description and the ONE God in ONE person is the FATHER. Jesus came to show us the FATHER and NOT himself. Clearly, mean HAVE SEEN Jesus so Jesus is NOT the supreme Sovereign Almighty God the Father. Jesus is “A” God who was MADE a God by his God and Father the ONLY TRUE God. So then, when we take 1 Timothy 6:14-16 and compare it alongside John 5:17-30 which clearly teaches us that the very REASON that Jesus was GIVEN authority and power over the enemy was THAT Jesus was the Son of MAN, then we can know without any DOUBT that there was NOT literal pre-existing God the Son in eternity past. This passage of Scripture also clearly teaches us that Jesus was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE by his God and Father, the one true and ONLY POTENTATE who ONLY has IMMORTALITY, until he GAVE this same immortal life to His HUMAN Son Jesus, the Son of MAN, to become the FIRST born from the dead among MANY brethren.
Please read John 5:17-30.
“But Jesus answered them, My Father works hitherto, and I work. 18. Therefore, the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath but also said that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (Now some Christians who teach the doctrines of the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus DURING the days of his FLESH sometimes use this verse to try and prove that Jesus is EQUAL in every way with Almighty God the Father, as in, Jesus as being Almighty God HIMSELF. But neither the context of this verse nor the rest of the Bible supports such an INTERPRETATION that Jesus is THE one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. You see, this is just an ACCUSATION by the Jews who also ACCUSED Jesus of having a DEVIL, and we KNOW that accusation is NOT true. And in the very next verse, Jesus DEFENDS himself of being FALSELY accused of making himself equal with God) 19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what he sees the Father do: for what things soever he does, these also does the Son likewise. (Through the power of the eternal Holy Spirit of Almighty God his Father. God will CONFIRM His word with SIGNS following IF we BELIEVE the leading of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us to do the SAME works the Jesus did THROUGH the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him) 20. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all things that Himself does: and he will show him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21. For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; EVEN SO, the Son quickens whom he will. (Or just as Almighty God the Father has power and authority to raise the dead and give them eternal life, so also has He given to Jesus His Son after the cross this same power and authority to raise from the dead whosoever he will and give them eternal life in the world to come) 22. For the Father judges no man, BUT has COMMITTED ALL judgment unto the Son:(Speaking of the NOW GLORIFIED highly exalted Son of MAN, Jesus and NOT some literal pre-existing God the Son) 23. That all men should honor the Son, EVEN AS they honor the Father. He that honors NOT the Son honors NOT the Father which has sent him. (So the word of TRUTH makes it perfectly clear that we are to give honor to Jesus in the same way that we give honor to Almighty God the Father. The word “SENT” here means to COMMISSION and NOT sent down from heaven) 24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes in him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (And the opposite of this is equally as true. We must believe that Yahweh the Father ANOINTED the Son of MAN, Jesus, with His Holy Spirit and power. This is called the doctrine of Christ, and those who teach AGAINST the ANOINTING of the Son of MAN, Jesus, are “anti Christ”. So then, saying things like ONLY Jesus can live without sin because he was fully Almighty God in the FLESH is “anti Christ”. For you see, it was the ANOINTING or power that came to DWELL in the FLESH. And the FULLNESS of the Godhead did NOT dwell in Jesus until AFTER the CROSS. That is WHEN it PLEASED the Father that the FULLNESS of Deity or the divine nature should dwell in the Son of MAN BODILY to BECOME the God of the whole earth ONLY DURING the world yet to come) 25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, (The “is coming” is speaking of the future resurrections. The FIRST resurrection at the second coming of Jesus and the final resurrection at the end of the Millennium. And the “now is” means during the ministry of the gospel) when the dead shall hear the voice OF the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (This also has a dual meaning referring to us as well raising the “spiritually” dead in their sins, IF they hear the voice of the children of God preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ) 26. For AS the Father (Who ONLY) has life IN himself, (Or who ONLY has IMMORTALITY as the SOURCE of eternal life) SO (Or so also) has He (Almighty God the Father the ONLY POTENTATE) GIVEN TO the Son to HAVE life IN himself; (In other words, Jesus did NOT eternally exist, but rather was brought into existence as a HUMAN being or the Son of MAN and then after Jesus fulfilled all the WILL of his God and Father to become obedient to death on the cross, then Almighty God the Father HIGHLY EXALTED his Son Jesus the Son of MAN and GAVE to him IMMORTALITY even as the Father had in himself) 27. AND has GIVEN him authority to execute judgment also BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN. 28. Marvel NOT at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (In other words, do not marvel at this truth that Almighty God the Father has GIVEN his Son Jesus the POWER and the AUTHORITY to raise the dead, and not just to raise the dead, but also to give whomsoever he will the gift of ETERNAL LIFE. So this means that ONLY those who BELIEVE that Jesus is the SON of Almighty God and that Jesus is the Son of MAN and that Jesus is the CHRIST and that Jesus has died for their sins, and that Jesus has been raised from the dead shall be given eternal life from the Son of the living God. For you see, Almighty God the Father has COMMITTED or has GIVEN this power and authority to His Son Jesus, the Son of MAN because he is the Son of MAN, according to verse 27, which we just read) 29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30. I can of mine OWN self do NOTHING: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me.”
So then, now that it is clearly seen that Jesus is UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father let us go back to Isaiah 9:6 and read it again from a couple of other translations.
Here is Isaiah 9:6 from the Complete Jerusalem Bible (CJB).
“For a child is born to us, a son is given to us; dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele-Yo'etz El Gibbor Avi-'Ad Sar-Shalom [Wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace],”
Now some of you may be thinking, What kind of name is “Pele-Yo'etz El Gibbor Avi-'Ad Sar-Shalom”? Please notice that in all these translations that you have read say that his NAME, as in, a SINGLE name, a singular name, shall be called..... and then many names, or many titles, as in, more than just one name or more than one title, is given. Well, this is because in the original Hebrew it is just ONE name or one title but the ONE name or the one title has many different meanings to describe this child that is being prophesied to be born. But we as Christian already understand and BELIEVE that this prophecy is speaking of Jesus. With that being said I want to draw your attention to the phrase “Father OF ETERNITY”. This now lets us see the “possibility” of not only Jesus becoming a Father but more specifically that Jesus has become the Father OF “ETERNITY”. Jesus became the FIRST man to ever be raised from the dead and then GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE by his God and Father the one true and only ALMIGHTY God, the Father of ALL as we have just seen. So then, we can conclude that Isaiah 9:6, speaking of “The everlasting Father” is NOT referring to Jesus as actually being Almighty God the ETERNAL FATHER but rather it is speaking of Jesus BECOMING the AUTHOR of eternal life AFTER the CROSS. In other words, the phrase “the everlasting Father” simply means the father or the GIVER of ETERNAL LIFE to those who BELIEVE in him and ALSO believe in the ONLY POTENTATE who SENT His Son to be the Savior of mankind. Now, some may say, well what about Isaiah 9:6 calling Jesus “The mighty God”? Does this not prove that Jesus is God? The answer is YES, it does prove that Jesus is “A” God that is MIGHTY and who will rule in the NAME OF Yahweh and FOR Yahweh in the world yet to come. But it does NOT prove that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God Himself who ALONE is the FATHER. Can you not see that the only true God is ONE God in ONE person? Can you not see that Jesus is a SEPARATE person from the Father? If you can see this, then it is a contradiction to say that Jesus is ALSO the ONE true God in ONE person. The TRUTH is that the Father is the God of gods that He Himself has made to become mighty gods under Himself. And Jesus is one of those mighty gods under his God and Father who MADE him both Lord and Christ AFTER the cross, according to Acts 2:36. Now the reason that the human Jesus was MADE a God is to be a faithful WITNESS to judge Satan and the fallen angels but ruling over the earth for 1000 years WITHOUT having any WARS. Please read the studies under the heading >>>Q-0. Why are we HERE? - Is God at WAR?>>> You see, the original Hebrew words that are TRANSLATED as “The mighty God” are “gibbor”, which means mighty one, mighty warrior, special guard, mighty and strong; and the other Hebrew word is “el”, which means God, mighty one, as a TITLE of majesty and power. This Hebrew word “el” is also used for god, gods, and even FALSE gods. In other words, “el gibbor” is a TITLE of Jesus being a MIGHTY ONE of POWER and AUTHORITY. But in the LIGHT of the rest of God's word, we can CLEARLY and PLAINLY see that Jesus could do NOTHING of himself, according to John 5:15. To say this another way, everything that Jesus is or has, was GIVEN to him by his God and Father, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Now some may still argue and say, Brother Mark, you are just changing the definitions of these words to fit your own personal beliefs. Well, for those few stubborn hardcore Oneness Pentecostal Christians, please consider the experts in the Greek language and check out the online Interlinear Hebrew Bible where they give you the LITERAL translation without any BIASED interpretation. Just click on the link, then scroll down to find Isaiah or whatever book you would like, then click on the charter you desire to read. This is a great Bible study tool. Here is the English only, without the actual Hebrew words above the English word like you see on this online Interlinear Hebrew Bible linked above. Remember this is a word-for-word LITERAL translation so it may not make sense unless you really meditate on it in the light of all the evidence that we have looked at in this study of God's word to learn what Isaiah 9:6 means.
Here is the LITERAL translation of Isaiah 9:6.
“that boy he is born to us a son is given to us and she shall become the chieftainship on the shoulder blade of him and he shall call the name of him one marvelous one counseling El masterful Father of the future chief of well being”
So Jesus is “El masterful” and “Father of FUTURE”. Remember that “El” means a mighty one of power and authority and one of the meanings of masterful is a good teacher. Remember when Jesus was called master meaning that he was a teacher of the Scriptures. And certainly, Jesus became a master of the Scriptures. Jesus also teaches us how to use the power and the authority that God has given us in the name of his Son Jesus. And in this literal translation, we see that Jesus is called the Father of the FUTURE which agrees with Jesus being the Father of ETERNITY. I suppose that from the moment that the now glorified Son of MAN, Jesus, ascended up to be seated at the right hand of his God and Father's throne could be WHEN Jesus BECAME the Father of the future. But most assuredly, Jesus will reign in his Father's place beginning at his second coming. Jesus will reign for 1000 years and then step down from ruling and commit the ruling of the Kingdom BACK into his God and Father’s hands. Now, to me personally, I do not see how any rational thinking person can believe that Jesus is ALMIGHTY God Himself when the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father is OVER and ABOVE His son Jesus. And I do NOT see how any rational thinking person can ever believe that Jesus is the Father when there are literally hundreds of verses of Scripture clearly showing that Jesus is NOT the Father. Before we close this study I want you to read Isaiah 9:6 in its CONTEXT. And as you read this PROPHECY of God's yet future Son coming into existence, I want you to notice the ORDER in which the events are PROPHESIED to come to pass.
Please read Isaiah 9:6,7.
“For (Order of event #1 that has already been FULFILLED) unto us, a CHILD is BORN, (THEN comes Order of event #2 that has also already been FULFILLED) unto us a son is given: (Speaking of the HUMAN Son of MAN, Jesus as the Son given as the ONE sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yahweh provided His own Lamb that was slain in the mind of God from the foundation of the world. God chose His Lamb to be made inferior to the angels so He made the human race a little lower than the angelic beings) and (And THEN Order of event #3 is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED) the government shall be upon his shoulder: (Which is the WRATH of God executed by Jesus. That is WHEN the kingdoms of this present world will become the kingdom of God's dear Son to begin the 1000 year reign of Jesus) and (And THEN will come Order of event #4 that is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED WHEN the government will be set upon the shoulder of Jesus IN the world to come. And AT that TIME of the second coming of Jesus to begin the world to come) his NAME shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, (Or more precisely, according to Hebrew 5:9, the father of everlasting life or the AUTHOR of eternal life. For you see, it was BECAUSE, OF the Son of man, Jesus obeying his God and Father's Will, that Jesus made it possible for whosoever believes in him shall be saved. Jesus was MADE perfect and he BECAME the father of eternal life AFTER the cross. For you see, the Son of MAN, Jesus, was GIVEN the authority and the power AFTER the cross to JUDGE and also to give eternal life to whomever he chooses. This is why Psalms 2 prophesied to kiss the feet of God’s Son whom He ordained to be his King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus is also called) The Prince of Peace. (And, according to Revelation 1:5, Jesus is our Prince right now standing at the right hand of God. But at his second coming, Jesus will SIT on the right hand of Yahweh to rule and reign FOR Yahweh as the Lord of the Sabbath. And at that time, the kingdoms of this present world will become the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. And) 7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
Also, please notice WHO is doing the PERFORMING of His own spoken word of PROPHECY that came forth OUT FROM His mouth. It is Almighty God Yahweh the creator who is performing His own word. So to me, Jesus is the FULFILLMENT of the spoken word of PROPHECY. Jesus began as a THOUGHT in God’s mind as God's secret plan of salvation. Not just the salvation of mankind that He had not yet created, but also the RESTORATION of the entire universe back to being at PEACE having no WAR. God created the human race to put an END to evil. Please read the studies under the heading >>>WHY are we HERE? - Is GOD at WAR?<<< In closing, I would like to say that YES, Jesus did indeed come OUT FROM God and come forth from the Father. Jesus was born as a MAN or as a HUMAN being. But at the same time, the birth of Jesus was UNIQUE and UNLIKE the birth of any other human being. The Bible clearly teaches us this truth. But Jesus was NOT the “BIOLOGICAL” Son of God, in that God had sexual intercourse with another person's betrothed wife. It is only the INTERPRETATION of some Christians who dogmatically teach that because humans can beget only humans then this proves that Almighty God can ONLY beget DIVINITY. So, therefore, according to their OWN personal interpretation of the Scriptures, Jesus is DEITY or a DIVINE being DURING the DAYS of his FLESH. But again, this does NOT prove that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God. A President can have a son, but that does not make the son be the President. Also, the only true creator God is God, and the creator God can beget whatever He chooses to begat. In other words, Almighty God can speak forth His word and the spoken word of prophecy could have become a FULLY GOD that was given to him by his creator. And, to me, the man-made THEORY of the TWO natures of Jesus at the SAME time DURING the days of his FLESH is just an INTERPRETATION. In other words, the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus did not become “dogma” or the so[called official church doctrine until the FOURTH-century. And even IF this so-called TWO nature INTERPRETATION were true, it still does not prove that Jesus is the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER. But I assure you that it is NOT true because the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us in SIMPLICITY that Jesus could do NOTHING of himself in John 5:19. And even if one INTERPRETS that Jesus was of a DIVINE NATURE DURING the days of his FLESH because his Father is a DIVINE being, this still does NOT make Jesus be the SUPREME HIGHEST divine being who ALONE is the FATHER. And even IF one assumes that Jesus must, without fail, be a DIVINE being in eternity PAST, Philippians 2:4-11, clearly teaches us that Jesus did not even THINK to grasp or to take by force and make himself EQUAL with God. However, I believe that the TRUE meaning of Philippians 2:6-11, when left in its CONTEXT, is that the Son of MAN, Jesus, came to become in the FORM of God AFTER the CROSS. Please read the study “WHAT DOES PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 TRULY MEAN?” But for now, I want you to consider that Yahweh the Father is called the God OF Gods. This does NOT mean that Almighty God the Father is the God of “IDOL false gods”, because idol gods are no gods at all. Yahweh is the God OF Satan who is the “REBEL” god of this present world. Satan is a REAL god. In other words, Satan used to be Lucifer who was once a GOOD God that Almighty God set in place as the RULER over the earth in ages PAST before Lucifer rebelled and made WAR with God. Please read the studies under the heading <<<Q-0. WHY are we HERE - Is GOD at WAR?<<< And also read the study “ARE THERE TWO GODS?” Believing in two Gods who are ONE in UNITY and purpose is NOT polytheism, the worship of more than one God. For you see, it is Almighty God Yahweh Himself who COMMANDS us to HONOR His Son EVEN as we HONOR Yahweh the Father. Worshiping Jesus is NOT having another God BEFORE or ABOVE the God of Jesus when it was Almighty God Himself who MADE His human Son both Lord and Christ after the cross, according to Acts 2:36. Can you not see that Jesus is the WORKMANSHIP OF Yahweh the Father and ALL the GLORY goes to Almighty God the FATHER.
Please read 1 Corinthians 8:5,6.
“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in the earth, (as there be gods MANY, and lords many,) 6. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom (Or FOR whom) are all things, and we by (Or we BECAUSE OF) him.”
Also, understand that the word “God” is a TITLE just like the word “KING” is a TITLE. So just because Jesus is CALLED by the TITLE God does NOT mean that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER. Please read the studies “Is JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD?” and “OUR GOD is ONE GOD in ONE PERSON!” for a deeper understanding that the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, does indeed clearly and plainly teach that there is MORE than just ONE God, but there is ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the Father. Below is a complete list of all the studies that I have which show WHY I no longer believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and why I can NEVER believe in the doctrine of Oneness. I assure you that every verse that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus pre-existed in the eternity past has another meaning that does NOT contradict any other verses of Scripture in the entire Bible. Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you CONTINUE to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.
Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ, Brother Mark.
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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!
To me, the best way to know the ONE true God in ONE person is to know who Jesus TRULY IS according to the WHOLE word of Almighty God so please read ALL the studies under the heading >>>N-0. WHO is JESUS ACCORDING to the BIBLE?<<< and you will see that the Bible itself teaches us that Jesus was CREATED by his God and Father. And if you have any questions related to the correct meaning of certain verses of Scripture on this subject of who Jesus is please read all the studies under the two headings >>>U-0. VERSES used for THE TRINITY!<<< and >>>V-0. VERSES used to TEACH that Jesus PRE-EXISTED!<<< These two headings have ALL the studies that I have on who Jesus truly is according to what the Bible itself teaches us in simplicity. I compiled these three headings to make it easy for my readers to send just one, two, or three links to those you desire to help understand what the Bible itself teaches concerning who Jesus is in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the whole word of Almighty God.
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