REVELATION 3:14 IS JESUS THE CREATOR?







WHAT DOES REVELATION 3:14 MEAN?

DOES REVELATION 3:14


THE BEGINNING OF THE

CREATION OF GOD”


PROVE THAT JESUS PREEXISTED?


         Here is Revelation 3:14.

         “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the BEGINNING of the CREATION of God;”


             Now some Christians INTERPRET this verse to mean that Jesus is God the SON, who was actually the CREATOR of ALL things. and thus Jesus must have preexisted in order to be the creator. And they use other verses like Ephesians 3:9-11 and Colossians 1:15-17 to try and support their INTERPRETATION. Please read the study EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS? for a deeper understanding that Almighty God ALONE and BY HIMSELF is the CREATOR, who created all things FOR or FOR the SAKE OF his SON Jesus having his Son in his MIND of PLAN as the reason for creating all things.   

             But for now please read Isaiah 44:24.

 

                            Thus says the LORD, your redeemer, and he that formed YOU from the womb, I am the LORD that makes ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;


             Other Christians INTERPRET this verse in Revelation 3:14 to mean that Almighty God the Father is the actual creator, who then USED his SON Jesus as the MEANS BY WHICH God created all things. In other words, this INTERPRETATION is saying that there were TWO divine eternal beings, who as a team working together in unity created all things, but this interpretation does not agree with the rest of God's word, because Isaiah 44:24, which we just read clearly and plainly teaches us that Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF created all things. 

             And also the word of God PROPHESIES that the SON OF Almighty God was BEGOTTEN or brought INTO EXISTENCE on a certain DAY. Please read the study "WHEN DID  JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?, which shows and explains the verse where Almighty God says THIS DAY I have BEGOTTEN you.

             Now along this same line of thinking that Jesus MUST have preexisted is SOME FORM other Christians understand that the Jesus did NOT preexists as the SON OF Almighty God, but rather Jesus preexisted as the Word. Therefore they say that Jesus as the Word being WITH God AT his SIDE created all things.

             The Jehovah's Witnesses teach along this same line of reasoning of Jesus preexisting as the Word, saying that Almighty God Jehovah CREATED Jesus as a SPIRIT BEING called or named the WORD, who then created all other things. But this INTERPRETATION still contradicts the rest of God's word, because to say that the Word was a SEPARATE divine eternal being, who was WITH God AT his SIDE would then make there to be TWO eternal divine beings when the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that there was only Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF that created all things.

             So then, really none of these above INTERPRETATIONS truly agree with the WHOLE word of Almighty God. For you see no matter HOW you INTERPRET the PREEXISTENCE of Jesus you can never make Jesus to have ALWAYS preexisted as a SEPARATE IMMORTAL divine Spirit being or so called second person of the TRINITY, or ANY SECOND person period in any form having any name or title, because 1 Timothy 6:13-16 clearly teaches us that ALMIGHTY God ALONE has always possessed IMMORTALITY.

             1 Timothy 6:13-16.


         “I give you charge in the sight of God, who quickens ALL things (or in the sight of Almighty God the Father the ONLY SOVEREIGN God, who makes alive or gives life to ALL things)AND before Christ (the ANOINTED ONE of God) Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

         14. That you keep this commandment (or that you keep this principle or this teaching) without spot, UNREBUKABLE, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

         15. Which in his TIMES (speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall SHOW, WHO is the blessed and ONLY POTENTATE, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

         16. Who ONLY has IMMORTALITYdwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach untowhom NO MAN has SEENNOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”


             Now all you, who are truly seeking the truth of the whole word of God need to do is to THINK this through for YOURSELF and ask yourself three simple questions:

             #1. Did men SEE Jesus?

             #2. Has any man or human being other than Jesus SEEN Almighty God the FATHER?

             #3. Who was Jesus commissioned by God to SHOW us?

  

              When you answers those three simple questions for yourself the answer will be obvious that it can only be Almighty God the FATHER, the INVISIBLE Spirit as the ONLY one, who has ALWAYS possessed IMMORTALITY. Therefore there can be NO SECOND person of the so called TRINITY, or ANY SECOND person named the Word, who has ALWAYS been IMMORTAL for all eternity past, who was WITH God AT his SIDE for all eternity, because that would make TWO divine beings, who were immortal in eternity past and the INTERPRETATION of TWO divine eternal beings possessing IMMORTALITY in eternity past CONTRADICTS the rest of God's word. First it contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16, which we just read and then it contradicts John 5:26,27 where Almighty God the Father GAVE the Son of MAN eternal life AFTER the cross.

             You see the TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus, the SON OF God was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE or IMMORTALITY by his God and Father AFTER the the cross when God raised the Son of MAN from the dead. Please read John 5:26,27, which clearly and plainly teaches us that Jesus did NOT preexist as an IMMORTAL being as a SECOND person of the so called TRINITY, or ANY second person named the Word, because he needed to be GIVEN IMMORTALITY after he became obedient unto death on the cross.

             John 5:27,27.


         “For AS (or in the SAME WAY that) the Father HAS life IN himself; SO HAS he GIVEN TO the Son to HAVE LIFE IN himself;

         27. AND has GIVEN him authority to execute judgment ALSO,BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”



             So then, to ME to only way that I myself have found to interpret Revelation 3:14 where Jesus says that he is the BEGINNING of the CREATION of God is to say that this verse means that Almighty God has his SON Jesus in his MIND to bring forth into existence BEFORE Almighty God THOUGHT of any other thing or being to create. This means that God had a NEW CREATION in mind all along when he FIRST made Jesus and mankind a little LOWER than the angels. In other words, Jesus is the BEGINNING of God's NEW creation that will inherit the worlds to come. More on this in a moment.

             But first let us take a look at some other translations of the verse.

             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the Bible in Basic English.


         “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea say: These things says the true and certain witness, the HEAD of God's new order.”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the Common English Bible.


         “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the RULER of God's creation.”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the Holman Christian Standard.


         “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the ORIGINATOR of God's creation says:”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the New International Readers.


         “Here is what I command you to write to the church in Laodicea. Here are the words of the One who is the Amen. What he gives witness to is faithful and true. He RULES OVER what God has created. He says,”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the New Revised Standard.


         “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ORIGIN of God's creation.”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the Message Bible.


         “Write to Laodicea, to the Angel of the church. God's Yes, the Faithful and Accurate Witness, the FIRST of God's creation, says:”


             Here is Revelation 3:14 from the Young's Literal Translation.


         “And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the CHIEF of the creation of God;”


             The Greek word that is translated as beginning in the King James Bible is “ARCHE”, which also means commencement, or chief. And carries the meaning of order or rank. In other words, this Greek word can mean and does mean FIRST, as in, the very FIRST in TIME of creation that God created. But it ALSO mean FIRST, as in, the CHIEF or HIGHEST being that Almighty God has created. 

             And another possible meaning is that God created all things where God FIRST had his SON Jesus is his mind and plan as to one day bring forth into existence. This AGREES with other verses that in TRUTH teach us that Almighty God created all things FOR THE SAKE OF his SON Jesus. But no matter which of these three possible interpretations is chosen by you, the reader and seeker of the truth, the end result is the same, and that result is Jesus was CREATED at some point in time and therefore could not possibly be THE ALMIGHTY God himself, who ALONE and BY HIMSELF created all things according to Isaiah 44:24.


         “Thus says the LORD, your redeemer, and he that formed YOU from the womb, I am the LORD that makes ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;


             The WHOLE word of God in truth teaches us that Jesus CAME OUT FROM God. 

              Please read John 16:27,28.


           For the Father himself loves you, BECAUSE you have loved me, AND (BECAUSE you) have believed that I CAME OUT FROM God
           28.  I CAME FORTH FROM the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

         Now some Christians INTERPRET these words of Jesus to mean that Jesus preexisted as a SECOND divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH God AT his SIDE and God SENT Jesus out from his side down to the earth and to THEM that is how Jesus CAME OUR FROM God. But as we have already seen this INTERPRETATION contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16 and John 5:26,27.
             However interpretation the word or God that became flesh as being the SPOKEN word or saying that CAME OUT FROM God's MOUTH does NOT contradict any other part of Gods' word. Please read the study "WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?", but for now let us get back on tract.
             Again this Greek word “ARCHE” also means a BEGINNING. To COMMENCE means to BEGIN. But again the meaning of begin or origin or originator in the light of the WHOLE word of God means that the IDEA of having a SON was the ORIGINATOR or the active cause of Almighty God creating all things. In other words, Almighty God himself BEGAN to create all things with is SON Jesus is MIND as the FIRST or PRIMARY focus for the REASON of ALL creation.

             You see the Greek word “DIA” that is translated as “BY” in Ephesians 3:9-11 where this verse SEEMS to be saying that ALL things were created BY Jesus Christ is actually saying that all things were created FOR Jesus Christ or FOR the SAKE OF Jesus Christ.

            Ephesians 3:9.


       “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, WHO created all things BY (DIA or FOR and FOR the SAKE OF) Jesus Christ:”


             You see, the Greek word “DIA” (#1223) that is translated as BY also means through, FOR, BECAUSE OF, and FOR the SAKE OF. The root meaning is the CHANNEL of an act. The REASON for why the act was made. The means of, The GROUND or reason by which something is done or not done, By reason of, on account of, because of, for this reason.

         

             The base meaning of the word "CHANNEL" is to direct something towards something. The whole idea of to channel is direct everything that one is channeling to a specific point or place. To channel is to direct, to guide along some desired course. So then the ACT of creation is DIRECTED towards the ETERNAL PURPOSE of Almighty God of having a SON, who would become the everlasting Father or more precisely God's SON would become the Father or the beginning of ETERNAL LIFE by becoming the FIRST born from the dead among many brethren.

             Again please read the study “EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?” for a deeper understanding that Almighty God himself is the creator of all things and that his SON Jesus was the REASON FOR which the Father created all things.

             Also in the original and LITERAL text the word "things" is NOT in the text. So the "ALL" that was created BY, FOR, and FOR the SAKE OF Jesus the Christ is US, who became God's NEW creation BY or BECAUSE OF Jesus. Because he lives so shall we also live.

             So then, I myself must conclude that Revelation 3:14 does NOT prove without fail that Jesus ETERNALLY preexisted for all eternity as the so called SECOND person of the TRINITY as God the SON, or ANY second person named the Word.

            At best this verse can be interpreted as the Word, meaning the LOGOS, the SPOKEN word of God that CAME FORTH OUT FROM the MOUTH of God, being the MEANS by which all things were created BY Almighty God HIMSELF, who SPOKE forth his logos, his SAYING, out from his mouth. Thus Jesus himself came forth OUT FROM God when God SPOKE FORTH his WORD by the Angel Gabriel to the VIRGIN Mary to be conceived in the womb of Mary to be BORN as the Son of MAN, who would be called the Son of God.

             But this verse in Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the BEGINNING of GOD'S creation, and NOT that Almighty God USED Jesus as his means to create all things. In other words, to me this verse is better interpreted as Jesus being the FIRST or the CHIEF or the PRINCIPLE REASON of God's creation as to WHY God HIMSELF created all things through his SPOKEN word or SAYING for the SAKE OF his NEW CREATION where Jesus is the very beginning or START of God's NEW CREATION that will inherit the NEW worlds to come. But not just the beginning of God's NEW creation but also the PREEMINENT or HEAD of God's NEW creation.

             Now some may argue with this interpretation of Revelation 3:14 of Jesus being the beginning of God's NEW creation, and use verses like Ephesians 3:9 and Colossians 1:15-17 to try and prove that Jesus HIMSELF is the creator of ALL THINGS. So again please read the study ""EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREAT ALL THINGS?", but for now let us take a closer look at Colossians 1:15-17.


DOES COLOSSIANS 1:15-17


JESUS IS BEFORE ALL THINGS”


PROVE THAT JESUS PREEXISTED?


             This passage of scripture is actually used by BOTH sides of one controversy to try and prove on one hand that Jesus has always existed as God the SON, who was WITHOUT BEGINNING, and on the other hand it is used by the other side of the argument to try and support that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING by being the FIRST BORN of EVERY creature.

             I say ONE controversy, because there is yet ANOTHER controversy apart from did Jesus have a BEGINNING at this controversy is WHEN was the beginning of Jesus? Was the beginning of Jesus in eternity past, or was the beginning of Jesus when the word became flesh?


             Let us begin this study in God's word by reading this verse in question that can be INTERPRETED an a number of ways, then we will take a closer look at this passage of scripture word by word in order to see which of these different ways of interpretation of this passage of scripture AGREES with the REST of God's word WITHOUT any contradictions?

             Colossians 1:15-17.


         “Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE:

         16. For BY him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created BY him, and FOR him

         17. And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS, and BY him ALL THING CONSISTS.”


         

             So then, let begin this study in God's word by reading some of the following INTERPRETATIONS that have been concluded by different groups of Christians as to what this passage of scripture means.  

             Always beware when someone dogmatically demands that THEIR way is the ONLY way a verse can be INTERPRETED, because most any verse can be interpreted in other ways. Now those ways may or may not be the correct interpretation, but none the less most every verse can be INTERPRETED in more than just one way.

             Now we all can know and understand that WHATEVER INTERPRETATION that is concluded as to what this or any passage of scripture means then that INTERPRETATION MUST AGREE with the REST of God's word WITHOUT ANY CONTRADICTIONS.


             INTERPRETATION #1.

             Those who teach the doctrine of the trinity dogmatically demand that this passage of scripture without fail means that Jesus preexisted for all eternity AS the SON OF Almighty God the Father being the SECOND person of the TRINITY, God the SON who is CO EQUAL with the Father in every way where neither is less than nor greater than the other, and CO ETERNAL with Almighty God the Father where both the Father and the Son have always existed for all eternity and neither the Father nor the Son had a BEGINNING. In other words, some Christians interpret this and other verses as meaning that Jesus had NO BEGINNING and he has ALWAYS preexisted as God eternal divine Son who was WITH God AT his SIDE for all eternity past.


             INTERPRETATION #2.

             Some Christians, who can NOT ACCEPT the doctrine of the trinity, saying that it is a false teaching. They say to CLAIM that Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God the Father, is EQUAL to HIS God and Father contradicts the clear word of God, because this CO EQUAL teaching of the doctrine of the trinity does NOT AGREE with the REST of God's word on many points. And this group of Christians teach that Jesus preexisted AS the SON OF Almighty God the Father being his DIVINE ETERNAL SON, who was God's FIRST creation, and then God created all things THROUGH or BY his Son Jesus.


             INTERPRETATION #3.

             Other Christians, who can NOT ACCEPT the doctrine of the trinity, which falsely teaches that Jesus is co equal AND co eternal with Almighty God, because the mere terms of Jesus being the SON OF the ALMIGHTY God the FATHER demands that Jesus as the SON have a BEGINNING. Therefore they teach that the ONLY way Jesus could had PREEXISTED was as the Word.

             Now under this line of reasoning in interpretation #3 there are TWO DIFFERENT ways that Christians INTERPRET Jesus preexisting as the Word. The first interpretation of Jesus preexisting as the Word will be considered as INTERPRETATION #3 and the second way of interpreting Jesus preexisting as the "word", the "logos" of God will be explained under INTERPRETATION #4.

             So then, ONE interpretation of Jesus preexisting as the Word as described in INTERPRETATION #3 teach that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH THE God, and the Word was God, which they INTERPRET as meaning that the Word was a SEPARATE SPIRIT being who was WITH THE God AT his SIDE for all eternity past, but the Word did indeed have a BEGINNING. And then in the fullness of time this DIVINE SEPARATE eternal Spirit being called or named the Word came down out of heaven down to the earth and was INCARNATED as the Son of Almighty God to be the DIVINE SON OF God and a human being at the same time having TWO natures, one divine and one human.

             In other words, in INTERPRETATION #3 some Christians, who do NOT believe in the doctrine of the trinity, but they still yet believe that Jesus, while he was on the earth during the days of his flesh, that he was the DIVINE Son of God. That is to say, they interpret Word as being a separate divine eternal being who was WITH God at his SIDE as the one being INCARNATED in the flesh. And to them this means that Jesus must without fail be the DIVINE eternal Son of God in the flesh during the days of his flesh. 

            Again this group of believers is divided where some argue saying, therefore Jesus being DIVINE or being DEITY, then Jesus must without fail be FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the flesh and fully man at the SAME time. But other say no to this interpretation, because they have seen from the word of God that Jesus is NOT the Almighty, but rather the SON OF the Almighty. So they say that Jesus was DIVINE in nature only. What that means to THEM I have not figured out as yet.


             INTERPRETATION #4.

             Then there are some Christians, who believe that Jesus PREEXISTED simply as the word of God BEFORE the foundation of the world. But rather than the word of God existing as a SEPARATE Spirit being, who was WITH God AT his SIDE, they believe that the word has always existed WITHIN THE ONE TRUE and ONLY WISE God. I will explain what I mean by this in a moment.


             And again there may be other interpretations as well, but any other interpretation will FIT in one of the above FOUR different interpretations with perhaps some slightly different points of view.


             Now with that being said I want to begin this particular study in God's word by FIRST giving you, the reader, and seeker of the truth, the INTERPRETATION that I myself have conclude from all the evidence, and then I will give you all the evidence from the WHOLE word of God explaining how I came to believe what I believe.

             So then, I myself believe INTERPRETATION #4 and here is what I personally have come to believe that Colossians 1:15-17 means in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God the Father. Let us closely examine this passage of scripture one verse at a time.

              Colossians 1:15.


          “Who (speaking of Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God the Father,) is the IMAGE OF the invisible God (Jesus being the IMAGE OF his God and Father demands that Jesus NOT to be ONE and the SELF SAME BEING as Almighty God the FATHER, the INVISIBLE God. Jesus is the IMAGE OF the invisible God), the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE(the word FIRST BORN here means TWO things).


             First of all this word "FIRSTBORN" means that Jesus was the FIRST creature to be BORN or BROUGHT INTO existence of EVERY creature meaning without fail that Jesus had a BEGINNING being MADE, CREATED, BORN or brought into existence where this creature had never existed before. Jesus was PRIOR to EVERY OTHER creature.

             SECOND this word means that Jesus is the FIRST, as in, Jesus is the HIGHEST of every creature that Almighty God has MADE, CREATED, BEGOTTEN, or brought into existence where this creature had never existed before.

             Now let us ASSUME that 1 Timothy 6:13-17 and John 5:26,27 are NOT in the word of God for a moment and INTERPRET this verse to mean that Jesus was born in eternity past as the FIRST and HIGHEST of God creatures. And lets say that Jesus volunteer to come down from heaven as some claim giving ALL his position as being the HIGHEST of God's creatures to be made a little LOWER than the angels. Let us assume that this is what happened.

             We know that AFTER the cross Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED and GIVEN a name HIGHER than every other name apart from Yahweh himself. In other words, Jesus was simply RESTORED to his original position. To ME this is NOT  being HIGHLY EXALTED by God, but rather simply given back what he already had, if so be, that this INTERPRETATION is the correct interpretation.

             Now let us KEEP 1 Timothy 6:13-16 and John 5 26,27 in the Bible, which again prove that there could NOT have being TWO who were IMMORTAL in eternity past. And let us interpret Colossians 1:15 as being God's NEW CREATION and Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead of EVERY NEW creature.

             Either way in which one interprets Colossians 1:15 this verse in TRUTH clearly teaches us that this CREATURE that is referring to Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING. So this proves that the doctrine of the trinity dogmatically demanding that Jesus is co eternal with the Father having NO beginning is in ERROR.

             The questions now becomes, WHEN was the BEGINNING of the CREATURE that Almighty God brought forth into existence where this firstborn CREATURE Jesus was BOTH FIRST, as in, PRIOR to EVERY other creature, AND was ALSO FIRST, as in, Jesus being the HIGHEST creations over all the others of God's creation?

             Now those Christians, who teach INTERPRETATION #1INTERPRETATION #2, and INTERPRETATION #3 ALL dogmatically demand that the "WHEN" Jesus was BEGOTTEN must be without fail in all eternity past BEFORE the foundation of the world, or BEFORE all of every other CREATION. And they REASON and demand that it MUST be that Jesus preexisted for all eternity, because HOW could Jesus be the CREATOR and create ALL THINGS if Jesus was not BEGOTTEN from all eternity past?

             Again please keep in mind that to some Christians, this phrase, “Who being the FIRST BORN of EVERY CREATURE dogmatically means that Jesus never had a BEGINNING! To mean this is like that age old argument of an early church writer saying that Jesus was begotten WITHOUT being begotten. Anyway the main focus right now is HOW can Jesus be the CREATOR to create ALL THINGS, if so be, that Jesus did NOT exist for all eternity or at least preexisted in eternity past BEFORE any other creation began?

             Well the answer is quite simple! You see my dear brothers and sister in our Lord Jesus Christ, the CREATURE that is being spoken of here in Colossians 1:15-17 here is the NEW CREATION of Almighty God.

             The term FIRST BORN is speaking of the RESURRECTION of the dead where Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE to EVER inherit ETERNAL LIFE. The very CONTEXT of this verse in question CLEARLY and PLAINLY teaches us that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD. In the very next verse Colossians 1:18, “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD; that (or so that, or IN ORDER THAT) in all things he might have the PREEMINENCE.” 

             The word “PREEMINENCE” means to be ABOVE all others. In other words, Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED to become a God over all of the creation of Almighty God the Father only AFTER Jesus, as the Son of MAN, became obedient unto death on the cross to redeem WHOSOEVER believes IN him so that ALL THEY, who are IN him, should become JOINT HEIRS with the FIRST BORN of EVERY other NEW CREATURE IN Jesus Christ. Romans 8:29 teaches us that Jesus is the FIRST BORN AMONG many BRETHREN.

             Now let us closely examine the next verse Colossians 1:16.


              16. For (or BECAUSE) BY him (or because IN him, or BECAUSE OF him, or on ACCOUNT OF him) were ALL THINGS (where the ALL things is speaking of the NEW CREATURES, who are IN Jesus were newly) CREATED (in other words, the LITERAL Greek reads as follows, “that IN him IS CREATED the ALL or the ALL or the THEY who are IN him IS CREATED), that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, (this is speaking of the dead in Jesus Christ, who are up in heaven that are not visible to us and we who are on the earth who are visible to us) whether (means if too, if also, if besides, if any) they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created BY him, and FOR him:


             The ALL things is speaking of the ALL, WHO are IN Jesus Christ. The word "things" is NOT in the original text. Click on the above link of the literal translation and see for yourself.

             So then the ALL are created  BY the MEANS of Jesus being the FIRST born from the dead, the FIRST or the BEGINNING of God's NEW creation. The ALL, who are already, or will become NEW CREATURES were or have been CREATED FOR, or TOWARD, or INTO Jesus meaning that this was the GOAL or the purpose that Jesus died for our sins and went BEFORE us so that we shall be LIKE HIM.

             The phrase or words after the Greek word that is translated as "whether" in the King James Version could be speaking of every other creation of God like the angels. OR the meaning of this Greek word being if TOO, if ALSO, if BESIDES, if ANY of the positions of ruling on a throne, having dominion, power or authority is all BECAUSE of Jesus and for the sake of Jesus. In other words, Paul is saying, now whether there be a throne for YOU or whether there be a place of authority for YOU or whether there be any of these things they are ALL because of Jesus and for Jesus.

                             Let us now closely examine verse 17 of Colossians 1:15-17. 

                17. And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS (meaning that Jesus is OVER the ALL, as in, all of us WHO are found to be faithful unto the end IN him.), and BY him ALL THINGS CONSISTS.

             

                 Again the word "things" is NOT in the original text. Please verify this for yourself by reading the LITERAL word for word translation. The LITERAL Greek of verse 17 read as follows. 

            

             “And he is before or OVER ALL and the ALL IN him has together STOOD or has cohesion” 

                  

                 In other words, Jesus is the HEAD OVER ALL, who have become NEW CREATURES being IN him, and we are made ONE with Jesus, because we have STOOD or we have OVER COME with him.

                 So to me, I clearly see this passage of scripture in Colossians 1:15-17 speaking of the yet COMING world that Almighty God the Father MADE POSSIBLE through his SON Jesus where ALL authority and power is GIVEN to Jesus by his God and Father to rule and reign over all the creation of Almighty God during the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

                 This INTERPRETATION AGREES with Ephesians 1:15-23


             “Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith IN the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

             16. Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 

             17. That the GOD OF our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory (this verse is one of many that clearly and plainly teaches us that Jesus is NOT the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, because the SON OF God has a GOD who is OVER him and that one true and only ALMIGHTY God is the FATHER. In other words, Jesus was the IMAGE of his God and Father.),may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

             18. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his INHERITANCE in the saints,

             19. And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe (or who are IN Jesus), according to the working of his mighty power,

             20. Which he wrought IN Christ (or which Almighty God brought to pass IN his Son the ANOINTED ONE whom he made to be both Lord and Christ), when he (Almighty God the Father) raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

                    21. Far ABOVE ALL principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but ALSO in that which is to come:(in other words, WE have been given power and authority in the NAME of Jesus NOW in THIS resent world because of Jesus.)

             22. And has put all things (or has made Jesus to be King over all his SUBJECTS speaking of his enemies that will be taught of the Lord during the 1000 year reign of Jesus) under his feet, and GAVE him to be the HEAD OVER all things TO the church (or AND the Father has made his SON Jesus to be the head over all the called out ones giving us authority and power in the name of Jesus),
             23. Which is his body, the fullness of him that fills all in all.”


                 And both of these passages of scripture, the verse is question in Colossians 1:15-17 and this one here in Ephesians 3:15-23 AGREE with Hebrews 1:2.


             “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

              2. Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed (or whom his God and Father has MADE) HEIR of all things, by whom (or on account of whom, because of whom, for whom. For the sake of whom) also he made the worlds (the ages, NOT this present world, but rather the worlds or ages to come. The LITERAL translations says, "and or also the eons he MAKES");

              3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person (again Jesus being in the IMAGE of Almighty God the Father clearly and plainly teaches us that Jesus is NOT Almighty God HIMSELF in the flesh being FULLY ALMIGHTY God and fully man at the SAME TIME. But rather Jesus being in the express IMAGE of his God and Father means that the WORKS that Jesus did through the power of the eternal Spirit, who DWELT in him, shows us the true nature and character of the one true and only Almighty God the Father, because it was the Father himself actually doing the good works of healing through the hands of his Son Jesus), and upholding all things by the word of his power (or also carrying on together with the all who believe on Jesus declaring the ability of the word of his power, speaking of the power of God's spoken word spoken in faith), when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”


             

                 All three of these passages of scripture, Colossians 1:15-17, Ephesians 1:15-23, and Hebrews 1:1-3 are all speaking of the world yet to COME that was made POSSIBLE by the ATONEMENT that Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God, for all of mankind, so that WHOSOEVER of any person whatsoever, who BELIEVES IN Jesus as the Messiah shall be saved or forgiven of all their past sins, so that the SAME eternal Spirit can DWELL IN them to empower the BELIEVER to OVER COME sin in order to have the right to obtain eternal life in the world to come.

                 Now for ME, I myself must therefore conclude that INTERPRETATION #4 is the only SOUND BIBLICAL interpretation that agrees with the whole word of God without having any contradictions. Here again is the interpretation that I myself personally choose.


                 INTERPRETATION #4.

                 Then there are some Christians, who believe that Jesus PREEXISTED as the Word of God BEFORE the foundation of the world. But rather than the Word existing as a SEPARATED divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH God AT his SIDE, WE believe that the Word, as in, the yet unspoken word has always existed WITHIN THE ONE TRUE and ONLY WISE God.

                 In other words, I and many other Christians believe that Jesus PREEXISTED ONLY as the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God as the PLAN and WILL of God and therefore Jesus did NOT come into ACTUAL literal existence UNTIL the SPOKEN WORD of God was MADE ALIVE in the womb of Mary and was BORN or BEGOTTEN of God as the Son of MAN nine months later. 

                 Then in the FULLNESS of time God ANOINTED his SON Jesus when Almighty God the Father began to DWELL IN his SON at his baptism in water by John the baptist. To say this another way, the Word has always existed WITHIN Almighty God BEFORE God ever began creating. And God himself ALONE and BY HIMSELF created all things BY his SPOKEN WORD that was WITHIN HIMSELF being his THOUGHTS and PLANS to one day bring forth into existence where that IMAGE within himself never existed before EXCEPT in the MIND and the PLAN of God.

                 You see the LITERAL translation of John 1:1 says,


             “In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was TOWARD (or WITHIN) THE God, and God was the SAYING.”


                       Please read the in depth study "JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!" for the many different translations of John 1:1. Also please consider the LITERAL translation of Exodus 3:14, where it is translated as God saying, “I AM THAT I AM”,in the King James Version, which LITERALLY means that God is saying, I shall become who or what I am becoming in the literal translation.

                 Exodus 3:14 from the LITERAL translation.


             “I SHALL BECOME who I AM BECOMING


                 Everything and everyone that Almighty God created were created by the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God himself including his SON Jesus, who was brought into existence when God sent forth his WORD coming out from his mouth down from Heaven to the earth to be SPOKEN by his angel Gabriel to the VIRGIN Mary. And then when Mary AGREED to the SPOKEN WORD by saying BE it DONE unto me ACCORDING to your WORD, then the SPOKEN word was MADE to become living flesh in the womb of Mary to be BORN as the Son of MAN who would then become great and be called the Son of God.


                 To me Acts 2:22-38, the first sermon preached by the apostle Peter clearly teaches us that the doctrine of the trinity is a FALSE teaching and therefore should be rejected.


             “You men of Israel, HEAR these WORDS; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you BY miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you yourselves also know: (Jesus said in John 5:19 and John 10:14 that he could OF HIMSELF do NOTHING and that the Father IN him did the WORKS.)

             23. Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God (or God bringing forth his SON into the world by his WORD has always had this in his mind and plan even before the foundation of the world to be the LAMB of God to take away the sins of the world), you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

             24. Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. (because God has SPOKEN it to COME to pass and everything that God prophesies in his word shall come to pass.)

                               25. For David speaks concerning him (Jesus), I (Jesus reading and understanding that the scripture SPOKE of HIM being the prophesied coming Messiah that was to come. I Jesus) FORESAW the Lord always before my face, for (or because I read in the scriptures prophesying of me saying of me) he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

             26. Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

             27. Because you (MY God and MY Father) will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption.

             28. You have made known to me the WAYS of life(or you my God and Father have TAUGHT me how to receive ETERNAL LIFE) you shall make me full of JOY with your countenance. (or you my God and my father shall GLORIFY me with your OWN SELF with the GLORY that you have promised me from before the foundation of the world to exalt me TEACHING me that your WORD, your written word of hidden prophecy is speaking of ME as being your elect one whom you have chosen to be your servant to die for the sin of the world.)

             29. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

             30. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins (speaking of the loins and linage of David), according to the flesh, he (Almighty God) would raise up Christ (his ANOINTED ONE whom he has GIVEN ALL POWER and AUTHORITY) to sit on his throne;

             31. He (David being a prophet and an inspired writer of God's word) seeing this before spoke (or wrote) of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

             32. This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

             33. Therefore being by the right hand of God EXALTED, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. (or after Jesus became obedient unto death on the cross, THEN his God and Father rewarded his SON Jesus with the PROMISE JOY of ETERNAL LIFE and GLORY, being HIGHLY EXALTED to the HIGHEST position second only to his God and Father and also has RECEIVED that PROMISE of pouring out or sending the Holy Spirit of the Father together WITH his Father, which the Jews on that day of Pentecost were witnessing by seeing and hearing the believers in Jesus speaking in other tongues.)

             34. For David is NOT ascended into the heavens: but he said himself (in other words, Paul is explaining that many things that David himself said were in TRUTH speaking of the coming Messiah Jesus that was PROPHESIED to come by the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God), The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit you on my right hand,

             35. Until I make your foes your footstool.

             36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has MADE that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, BOTH Lord and Christ.(every thing that Jesus is or that Jesus has was GIVEN TO him BY HIS God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER)

             37. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (or what shall we do to be saved? Please read the study “HOW CAN I BE SAVED?” for the basic steps that one must take in order to be saved with the promise that they will KNOW and be ASSURED that they are TRULY SAVED never doubting again of whether or not that they are saved.)

             38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”


                 So then, to me I myself believe that the whole word of Almighty God places far more EMPHASIS on Jesus being a MAN, the Son OF MAN, as opposed to being referred to as the SON OF Almighty God. What I mean by this is that some Christians dogmatically demand that Jesus being the SON OF Almighty God means without fail that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF. And other Christians maintain that Jesus during the days of his FLESH was fully DIVINE and fully human at the SAME time having TWO natures, but not Almighty God himself.

                 In other words, the Roman Catholic church and many main stream Protestant churches that came out of the Catholic church dogmatically demand that Jesus coming OUT FROM God means without fail the Jesus IS FULL ALMIGHTY God in the flesh and fully man at the SAME time, which they teach means that Jesus is CO EQUAL with Almighty God the Father, which to them means without fail that Jesus is EQUAL in every way to the Almighty God the Father where neither is greater than nor less than the other, and that Jesus is CO ETERNAL with Almighty God the Father, which to them means that Jesus has ALWAYS existed as the SON of Almighty God the Father, being God the SON, the SECOND person of the so called TRINITY without ever having a BEGINNING.

                 And then there are other Christians, whose eyes have been opened to see the ERRORS of interpretation made by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity, and they believe that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING, but they maintain that Jesus was begotten in eternity past as God's eternal divine Son. And thus they believe that during the day of the flesh of Jesus that he had a DIVINE nature and a human nature at the same time. Why I do not know, because to hear what they teach they agree with what the Bible teaches about the ANOINTING of Jesus and that Jesus could do NOTHING in and of HIMSELF and that it was the Father or the anointing dwelling IN Jesus who did the works.

                 But as we have CLEARLY and PLAINLY seen from this study in God's word that these man made teachings of the doctrine of the trinity and the doctrine of the deity of Jesus are NOT SOUND BIBLICAL teachings, because that do NOT AGREE with the WHOLE word of Almighty God.


                 The following is a list of 19 different thoughts that definitely contradict what I have had been taught in the mainstream orthodox church denomination about Jesus being Almighty God in the flesh, being FULLY God and FULLY man at the SAME time having TWO nature, one divine and one human. And that Almighty God, the Father and his Son Jesus are CO-EQUAL with each other in every way where neither is greater than or less than the other. 

                 I have pondered over these and other scriptures that sparked these questions in me for many years and have have written several in-depth studies of God's word relating to this highly controversial subject of whether or not Jesus is God, as inone and the same as being the ONE TRUE GOD and ONLY Almighty God, as the doctrine of the trinity teaches. 

                 You see, there can be ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY God, because the very word "ALMIGHTY" clearly means that there can be NO OTHER god or God that is GREATER or more MIGHTIER than the God who is ALL mighty, hence the word or title the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. 

                 So then, the question has now become, since the Bible ITSELF teaches us in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that to us as Christians there is but ONE God and that ONE God IS the FATHER alone, then HOW can Jesus, the SON of Almighty God, the Father, also be the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God seeing that the doctrine of the trinity also teaches us that Jesus is NOT the FATHER and Almighty God the FATHER is NOT his SON Jesus?

                 1 Corinthians 8:6 

              "But to US there is but ONE Godthe Father,..."

              

                 Please consider carefully and prayerfully the following 19 things to ponder about Jesus being God, as in, the INTERPRETATION of Jesus being God to mean that Jesus is the one true and only ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF and how they 19 plus points CONTRADICT what many of us have been TAUGHT about the "DOCTRINE" of the trinity. 

                 The scripture references are given at the end of this study. Also there are several IN DEPTH studies on specific verses that have been points of controversy, because of the way in which they have been INTERPRETED. All that I am asking is that you at least take time to HEAR the WHOLE matter by CONSIDERING these many OTHER possible interpretations that do NOT CONTRADICT any other part of the WHOLE word of God. 

                 But for now in this study I am presenting to you some thoughts or points to THINK about by considering the CLEAR, PLAIN, and SIMPLE word of Almighty God over the  IMPLIED complex INTERPRETATION of these verses used to try and prove the "DOCTRINE" of the trinity.



                 POINT #1.

                 Jesus had a WILL of his OWN that was different from the WILL of Almighty God, the Father and therefore Jesus needed to become OBEDIENT to his Father's WILL saying NOT MY will, but YOUR will be done. So then, how can Jesus be one and the same being as Almighty God the Father and have a DIFFERENT WILL that needed to be brought UNDER the will of his God and Father the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God?


                 POINT #2.

                 Jesus was TEMPTED with evil to sin against his God and Father and the word of God plainly states that Almighty God CANNOT be TEMPTED with evil. So then, since ALMIGHTY God himself CANNOT be tempted, then HOW can Jesus be the ONE true and ONLY Almighty God seeing that Jesus himself was tempted in all points like as well are tempted, but Almighty God himself CANNOT be tempted?

              

                    POINT #3.

                   Jesus did NOT KNOW the day nor the hour of his return, but yet Almighty God the Father does know that day and hour of his Son's return. HOW can this be IF what we have been TAUGHT is the truth that Jesus IS FULLY God and full flesh at the SAME time? I mean THING this though for yourself! How can Almighty God KNOW and NOT KNOW the very SAME thing at the same time? You see IF Jesus is truly the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, then Jesus would BE the FATHER at the SAME time that Jesus is the SON and Jesus would therefore KNOW that day and the hour of his return, because Jesus would BE the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. However, the WORD of TRUTH plainly states that that Jesus himself did NOT KNOW the day nor the hour of his return when at the SAME time his God and Father DID KNOW the day and the hour of his Son's return. Therefore the DOCTRINE of the trinity is simple not BIBLICAL, because for Jesus to be EQUAL with his Father, then Jesus WOULD KNOW everything that his Father knows.

                

                     POINT #4.

                     Jesus COULD NOT DO any mighty work of healing in his own home town, when the Bible says that NOTHING is impossible with Almighty God. Keep in mind that the word of God does not say that Jesus WOULD not heal these people, but rather that Jesus COULD NOT in that Jesus was NOT ABLE to do any mighty work of healing in his own home town.

                   

                       POINT #5.

                       Jesus could do NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but rather Almighty God, the Father, by his Holy Spirit DWELLING IN his SON Jesus did the works. So then, HOW can the DOCTRINE of the trinity be true when this man made doctrine teaches us that Jesus is EQUAL to the Father in every way where neither is less than or greater than the other? The truth of the matter is that the DOCTRINE of the trinity is NOT a SOUND BIBLICAL teaching! It needs to be rejected as a false teaching.


                         POINT #6.

                         Jesus was ANOINTED BY Almighty God, the Father to preach the gospel and to heal the sick, which raises the question, “Why did Jesus, the SON of Almighty God need to be anointed with the Holy Spirit OF Almighty God, IF Jesus was truly THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God in the flesh, being FULLY God and fully man and EQUAL with ALMIGHTY God in every way where neither is greater than of less than the other as the DOCTRINES of the trinity and the deity of Jesus teaches?” The truth of the matter is that Jesus is NOT the one true and ONLY Almighty God who alone is the FATHER according to 1 Corinthians 8:6.


                           POINT #7.

                           Jesus said there is NONE good but the Father ONLY, when Jesus himself was addressed as good master or good teacher. All through the Bible we clearly see that Jesus and Almighty God the Father are DIFFERENT and SEPARATE persons, so then why do some blindly accept the false teaching that Jesus IS FULLY God is the flesh and as be EQUAL with God in every way where neither is great than or less than the other. It should be clear to even the casual reader of God's word that Jesus consider his Father to be GREATER than himself. So then, WHY do some Christians cling to the man made doctrine that falsely teaches that Jesus is EQUAL to Almighty God?


                             POINT #8.

                             Jesus said the Father is GREATER than ALL in the SAME context where he says that he and the Father are ONE, which literally means that they AGREE as one and NOT that they are one and the SAME being. Can you not see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, that IF this TRULY meant that Jesus and the Father are ONE and the SAME being, then the DOCTRINE of the trinity is still in error, because the doctrine of the trinity plainly states that Jesus is NOT the FATHER. Also IF the phrase in John 1:1 "...the Word WAS God." truly means that Jesus is GOD, in that, Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, then this would ALSO make Jesus to BE the FATHER, and therefore would contradict the teaching of the doctrine of the trinity. However the WHOLE word of TRUTH clearly and plainly teaches us that Jesus in NOT the FATHER.


                               POINT #9.

                               Jesus was, is NOW and always will be UNDER or SUBJECT unto THE one true and ONLY Almighty God the FATHER. Often Christians TRY and explain away these CONTRADICTIONS between the man made teachings of the doctrine of the trinity and the clear plain and simple word of God by reasoning that Jesus was only under his Father while he was in the FLESH. However, IF this were true, then they would be CONTRADICTING their own belief, because they would be in fact saying that Jesus was NOT FULLY God in the FLESH and not fully EQUAL with Almighty God the Father. The truth of the matter is that no matter how you slice of dice it the clear plain and simple word of truth cannot be reasoned away. Please be absolutely sure that you carefully and prayerfully read all the verses below that clearly teach us that Jesus is UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father even now while Jesus is seated on his Father's throne in heaven and even after the 1000 year reign of Jesus will still be UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Therefore we must conclude that Jesus is NOT the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, because being ALL MIGHTY God means that there is NO God that is OVER you!


                                 POINT #10.

                                 Jesus plainly calls Almighty God, the Father, HIS GOD and HIS FATHER by saying words like MY God and MY Father. And God the Father HIMSELF says to his SON Jesus that he is the GOD of his Son Jesus saying EVEN YOUR God has anointed YOU in Hebrews 1:9. Again the very word "ALMIGHTY" means that there is NO God over or above the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God the Father of ALL including being the Father and God of his only begotten SON Jesus.


                                   POINT #11.

                                   Jesus NEVER once claims that he himself is the one true and only Almighty God, or called himself God, or referred to himself as being EQUAL with HIS God and Father. In fact Jesus, nor the rest of God's word teaches us that Jesus is equal with Almighty God. The word teaches that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God. The word teaches us that Almighty God the Father is GREATER than Jesus. So why then do some still dogmatically cling and teach the doctrines of men that clearly CONTRADICT the clear plain and simple word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible?


                                     POINT #12.

                                     Jesus rather plainly states 80 times that he is the Son of MAN. Even when Jesus is addressed as being the SON OF God, Jesus immediately turns it around and calls himself the Son of MAN. Please read the study called "JESUS THE SON OF MAN" where you will learn why the Bible speaks of Jesus being the Son of MAN twice as much as it refers to Jesus being the Son of God. In fact there is only one time where the Bible clearly and plainly comes straight out and states that Jesus is God. And even in the context of this one time where Almighty God the Father calls his Son God it is clearly understood that Almighty God the Father is God OVER his Son Jesus being EXALTED to be a God at the Father's right hand to sit upon his Father's throne.


                                       POINT #13.

                                       What ever the Word was in the beginning BEFORE the Word BECAME or the word was MADE to become FLESH is not what is in question, but rather what is in  question is what the Word BECAME, or what the Word was MADE. The Bible teaches us that the Word BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us. So then, this HUMAN MAN that was CREATED or MADE by the Word of Almighty God the Father was GIVEN the name Jesus who dwelt among mankind some 2000 years ago. The Bible goes on to tell us that he, the Word that was with God stripped himself of ALL his glory and took upon himself the NATURE of man and became FLESH and blood just like you and I. Again I want to point out that if one dogmatically demands that since A=B, and B=C, then A=C to automatically mean that since the Word = Almighty God, and the Word = Jesus, then therefore Jesus = Almighty God, then you are ALSO dogmatically saying that Jesus IS the FATHER even if you are not aware that you are doing son, and therefore you are contradicting your own teaching of the doctrine of the trinity.


                                         POINT #14.

                                         Jesus PRAYED to HIS God the Father for himself and others showing that he depended upon Almighty God, his God and Father. Now IF Jesus were truly FULLY Almighty God in the flesh then he would have no need to pray to anyone, because Jesus himself would already be THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God and therefore Jesus would BE the FATHER. This is the doctrine called ONENESS of Modalism that teaches that Jesus IS the FATHER and Almighty God the Father IS the SON at the same time as being different manifestations of the same one true God.


                                           POINT #15.

                                           Jesus and Almighty God, the Father, are clearly shown in multiple verses of the Bible that they are TWO separate and distinct beings and that we as believers must believer and HONOR them BOTH in order to obtain eternal life in the world to come. So then, clearly the doctrine of oneness or Modalism is also a FALSE teaching as well.


                                             POINT # 16.

                                             Jesus INCREASED in knowledge of God and in the grace and favor of HIS God and Father. Jesus also increased in the Spirit and he learned obedience by the things he suffered. In other words, IF Jesus were truly and FULLY God, then would not this be THE one true and ONLY Almighty God OBEYING HIMSELF? WHY would an ALMIGHTY and and ALL KNOWING God need to LEARN anything. Can you not see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ that these man made doctrines do NOT make any sense when they are examined in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Therefore they must be rejected as FALSE teachings.


                                               POINT #17.

                                               Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED by Almighty God the Father to the highest place there is without being OVER Almighty God the Father HIMSELF. And please keep in mind that Jesus was EXALTED to be a God under his God and Father only AFTER Jesus the SON learned obedience to his God and Father by his death on the cross. Again, there can only be ONE true God, who ALONE is THE ALMIGHTY God, who has NO other God OVER him and the Bible calls this ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, the FATHER. The Bible also clearly teaches us that Jesus is NOT the FATHER. Therefore Jesus can NOT be the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, who ALONE is the FATHER.



                                               POINT #18.

                                               Jesus was GIVEN to have IMMORTAL LIFE in himself EVEN AS the Almighty God, the Father, has life in himself. Or in the exact same way that Almighty God the Father has life in himself is the SAME eternal life that Almighty God the Father GAVE ETERNAL LIFE unto his SON Jesus when God resurrected his Son from the dead. Now please think about this for a moment, IF Jesus was truly ALMIGHTY God in the FLESH, being FULLY God and fully man at the SAME time as many of us have been TAUGHT, then WHY would THE one true and ONLY Almighty God NEED to be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE seeing and knowing that Almighty God is already an eternal and SELF EXISTING being. Can you not see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, that even if your TRY to REASON this truth away by saying that Jesus stripped himself of his eternal life so that he could die for the sins of man. then you are CONTRADICTING your own doctrine of the trinity which clearly states that Jesus is EQUAL with the Father in every way. The TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus and his God and Father are NOT equal.


                                               POINT # 19.

                                               The Bible plainly teaches us that everything that Jesus is and has was GIVEN to him BY HIS God and Father, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.


                                           POINT #20.

                                              Jesus was COMMANDED of Almighty God the Father. Again why would one COMMAND their OWN SELF to do something? And if they were separate but EQUAL in every way as the DOCTRINE of the trinity states, then you also have to ask yourself, do two beings who are EQUAL in every way were neither is greater than or less than the other COMMAND each other to do things. Absolutely NOT, no person being EQUAL with another would ever COMMAND them to do anything, but rather they would ASK them. Jesus ASKED his Father many times in prayer, but in comparison with Jesus ASKING his God and Father in prayer we see that Almighty God, the Father, gave his Son COMMANDMENTS that Jesus obeyed and kept in order to please his God and Father THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.


                                               POINT #21.

                                               Also Jesus, the HUMAN MAN, the Son of MAN, the SON OF God, had a beginning. No matter HOW you look at it, if there is a Father and a Son, then at some point in TIME the Son needed to be BORN or to be BROUGHT into existence by the BEGETTING of his God and Father. Therefore the human Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God the Father, did in fact have a BEGINNING.
                                              These SOUND BIBLICAL FACTS warrant addressing by every believer, because the word of God does not contradict itself and Almighty God is not the author of confusion. I have heard from some non-believers say that one of the reason WHY they would NOT believe in God, is BECAUSE they just could not accept this three is one, and one in three trinity "DOCTRINE" that Christians talk about.

                                               And also I have come to learn that there are some Christians who are leaving their Christian faith for this very same reason. Some are becoming atheist and some are converting to Islam, because these groups are pointing out the very same things that the Holy Spirit has shown me and which I have just shown you in these 19 points to ponder. To ME there is absolutely no need for all of this confusion if the WHOLE TRUTH of God's word was taught and then in unity we all spoke the same thing.

                                               The TRUTH of the matter is that every scripture that is used to TRY and teach or support the DOCTRINE of the trinity and that Jesus is FULLY THE ALMIGHTY God in the flesh, FULLY God and fully man at the SAME time and that Jesus is one and the same with God the Father, being co-equal and co-eternal with Almighty God the Father, can be interpreted ANOTHER way that does NOT contradict the whole word of God, if they are left in the context of where they are found and the WHOLE word of God is taken into account and weighed along side of the interpretation that is concluded.

                                               In other words, ALL the scriptures that PLAINLY show that Jesus is separate from the Father and that Jesus is under or subject to his God and Father CANNOT be interpreted in any other way without CONTRADICTING other parts of God's word.

                                               So then, the only way for there to be harmony with the WHOLE word of God, is for us to go back and rethink the verses that are used to TRY and teach the DOCTRINES of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

                                               After the Holy Spirit revealed these 19 plus contradictions to me, which have now grown to over thirty sound Biblical points that contradict what the main stream orthodox church denominations teach, then I had to put away these false teachings of these man-made "DOCTRINES" of the trinity and of the deity of Jesus and embrace what the Holy word of Almighty God TRULY teaches despite the persecution and rejection that comes from my fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus, the CHRIST, the SON OF the living God.

                                               If you TRULY desire to know the TRUTH of the WHOLE word or God, then I implore you follow up by reading the following in-depth studies that are SOLIDLY and SOLELY based upon the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Since the nature of these studies are highly controversial and go against the "mainstream" teaching of the Roman Catholic church and many orthodox Protestant church denominations that split off from the Catholic church I encourage you to read the "OPENING PRAYER" and "THE WHOLE MATTER" first before beginning these studies. 

                                               Then it would be best to read these studies in the order that they are listed for this is how they were revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. But no matter in what order you choose to read them I again ask that you carefully and prayerfully read them with and honest and sincere heart seeking only HIS truth, the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.



                                               Since the writing of the above studies in God's word the Holy Spirit has led me to write many more studies on this highly controversial study focusing specifically on the verses that SEEM to be saying that Jesus preexisted for all eternity and therefore some have concluded that this proves without a doubt that Jesus IS THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF.

                                               Here is the expanded list of these added studies that expose the ERRORS of interpretation made by those who dogmatically demand that our God is a TRINITY God or a TRIUNE God much like the false pagan gods who were being widely worshiped during the founding or the beginning of the Christian church.

                                               Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below are some other verses that are used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus. There may be other verses which you may be having trouble seeing any other way than what you were dogmatically taught over and over for so long, but I assure you that each and every verse used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity does indeed have a different meaning that does NOT CONTRADICT any other part of God's word. If there is a verse that I have not listed please do not hesitate to write and let me know. Some verse are included in others studies and they may not appear as an individual study.

                                              Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

                                              Mark.

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                                         The verses below are used by Some Christians to try and support the doctrine of the trinity and try and prove that Jesus preexisted as the Son of God, who was WITH God AT his SIDE from all eternity past.

                                                  Isaiah 6:3--- Holy, Holy, Holy.

                                                  John 1:1--- And the Word was God.

                                                  John 20:28--- My Lord and my God.

                                                  2 Corinthians 13:14---Trinity

                                                  Colossians 2:9--- Godhead.

                                                  Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

                                              

                                              Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

                                              Your brother in our Lord Jesus the CHRIST.

                                              Mark.


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