TRINITY QUESTIONS FROM MY READERS


TRINITY QUESTIONS FROM MY READERS

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS


         Greetings to all my readers hear at AMatterOfTruth.com where I do my best to present all the evidence from all the different viewpoints of each controversial teaching that God lays upon my heart to research and to write a sound Biblical study and then leave it to YOU my readers to decide what is the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

         I do not place these questions or my researched answers in any particular order as of importance, but I am going to start with the questions that I have received from my readers dealing with or pertaining to the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, because this seems to be one of the top leading topics of discussions and questions that I receive.

         I will use the first name only of those who write to me and if any of my readers wish their name to be deleted, then upon their request I will delete their name and substitute an alias name.

So then let us begin this collection of frequently asked question with the questions asked by Zaire, our dear brother in the Lord who writes the following questions:


         QUESTION #1. Does Revelation 3:14 say or mean that Jesus was the FIRST creature of God to be created followed by the creatures like angels, the animals then humans? And if so, then does this prove that Jesus PRE EXISTED as an angel being the first born of all creatures?


         ANSWER to question #1:


         Hi Zaire


         There are many meanings of the Greek word "arche" that has been TRANSLATED to the English word "beginning" in the King James and other translations of the Bible, so therefore many meanings or INTERPRETATIONS or OPINIONS can be deduced from Revelation 3:14.


         Let us start with the meanings of this Greek word "arche", which means in the English language the following:

         Beginning.... which also mean the starting of something, as in, Jesus was the REASON for which all creation was created.

         Origin...or original, the pattern, the image, the end goal to be achieved. Jesus was created, born or brought into existence BY the SPOKEN word of Almighty God. Jesus is referred to as the Word of God, because Jesus was brought into the world BY the word of God. So keep in mind that Revelation is an idiom DESCRIBING the nature of Jesus. He is FAITHFUL. He is the TRUE WITNESS. He is the WORD, the origin, the "arche".

         First...The word first is very plain and simple, BUT to WHICH FIRST is this verse referring? Keep in mind that the book of Revelation is written to the FAITHFUL the called out ones the NEW CREATURES in Jesus Christ where Jesus was the FIRST BORN from the dead of MANY brethren. You see Zaire those who dogmatically demand that Jesus was the very first creation of Almighty God only have one agenda on their minds and that is the try and prove that Jesus has always existed WITHOUT a BEGINNING and therefore they falsely conclude that Jesus IS THE Almighty God, but yet Jesus is not the Father. To ME this verse is speaking of Jesus being the first NEW creature or creation of Almighty God the FIRSTBORN, the FIRST FRUIT and NOT the very first creation of Almighty God. However I am not total closed minded to the THEORY or the INTERPRETATION that the very first CREATION of God was his SPOKEN WORD who was later GIVEN the name JESUS, which means the salvation of YEHWEH. In other words, I leave myself open to the idea that Jesus MAY have pre-existed with God as SPIRIT it the FORM of God's WORD. This is deeper than I care to go right now and I myself am still trying to see if this theory contradicts any other part of God's word. The meaning first being the first NEW creature does NOT in any way contraction any other part of God's word.

         Ruler...This Greek word "arche" also means RULER, POWER, AUTHORITY Jesus was GIVEN all authority and power and dominion and ruler or kingship over his God and Father's kingdom. The previous verse tell us that we who overcome shall sit down in his God and Father's throne to rule with Jesus as NEW CREATURES in Jesus Christ. We will be made a PILLAR in God's temple. What is a pillar of the community? It is a place of power an authority. A position of honor and respect. A position of leadership.


         So you see Zaire ANY one of these definitions of the Greek word "arche" COULD have been chosen by the TRANSLATORS. They could have chosen the meaning "RULER" of the creation of God, but they chose what they chose based upon what they personally believed or what they were TAUGHT to believe without question. The truth of the matter is that Satan is the god of this present world and he wants to cause as much division and strife as he can among God's people especially Christians. Therefore Satan will use Christians to cause division among the body of Jesus Christ, the church, by influencing Christians to theorize these many different man made doctrines that are based upon INTERPRETATIONS of isolated verses.

         Therefore you have to interpret each and every verse in the LIGHT of the WHOLE Bible. And whatever interpretation one conclude a verse to mean, then that interpretation must AGREE with the rest of God's word. So then, if even one verse CONTRADICTS the INTERPRETATION that one concludes a verse means, then that INTERPRETATION is NOT a correct meaning of that verse and therefore it must be rejected as being a false teaching.

         So then according this rule of interpreting the Bible, then MY interpretation of Revelation 3:14 is that this verse is speaking of Jesus being the first NEW creature of God, as in, Jesus being the FIRST BORN from the dead, and thus Jesus became the BEGINNING of a NEW CREATION of God. Jesus was also the FIRST human being to every be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE even as the Father has life in himself. Also this verse means that Jesus is the first, as in, Jesus is the HEAD or the RULER over all EXCEPT for being the head or ruler over his God and Father the ALMIGHTY, the ONE TRUE God and creator of ALL including being the creator of his Son Jesus.


         The Bible PROPHESIED that one would be BORN, who would then become the FATHER of EVERLASTING life. The King James Version TRANSLATES this passage in Isaiah 9:6 as,"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

         And then, well meaning Christians wrongly interpret this verse to mean that Jesus IS THE FATHER ALMIGHTY God himself, based upon bias translations of the Bible that are specifically translated the way that they are for the reason of proving the doctrine of the trinity.

         But as you will see, this is NOT what the literal meaning of this verse in Isaiah 9:6, but rather the true literal meaning of this verse is that it is a PROPHECY of a coming child where this child yet to be born at the time Isaiah wrote this prophecy would BECOME the Father or the ORIGIN or the BEGINNING or the FIRST FRUIT, or the FIRST human being to RECEIVE eternal life from Almighty God the Father who GAVE his SON Jesus this POWER or this AUTHORITY to GIVE eternal life to whosoever his Son chooses to give eternal life. Jesus became the father of everlasting life, because of his obedience to his God and God who then highly exalted his Son Jesus to become a god, a ruler, at his Father's right hand, because of his Son's OBEDIENCE to do all his Father's will.

         I pray that you can see just how many times those who teach the man made doctrine of the trinity CONTRADICT themselves. First they dogmatically demand that Jesus IS THE ALMIGHTY God and therefore demand that Jesus had NO BEGINNING and that Jesus was NOT CREATED, but then SOME use verses like Revelation 3:14 to try and support their false teaching by saying that this verse means that Jesus himself is the very ORIGIN or BEGINNING or the INITIATION, or the CAUSE of all creation to then try and prove that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who is the CREATOR of all things.

         Then some of these same Christians try and use Isaiah 9:6 to dogmatically demand that Jesus IS THE EVERLASTING FATHER, which CONTRADICTS their own man made doctrine of the trinity that dogmatically demands that Jesus is NOT the FATHER.


         I can see some truth it their interpretation IN THAT Jesus was the REASON of why Almighty God created all things. In other words, God had Jesus in MIND when he created all things FOR his Son Jesus. The truth of the matter is that Revelation 3:14 is an idiom or group of phases used to describe the one who is speaking. The early church understood who Jesus was and that Jesus was brought into existence or BORN of the woman Mary BY the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God and therefore they use the phrase Jesus being called the Word to describe the Son of God. We use the FISH SYMBOL to describe Christianity, but a FISH is not Christianity and Christianity is NOT a FISH. The fish symbol is just an IDIOM to DESCRIBE Christianity.

         In much the same way Christians in the early church used phrases or titles, or names, or words to describe who they were speaking about.


         All through the New Testament you can see how much care went into their writings to clearly show us that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God the Father, who came to show us the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, and that we must believe in BOTH the Father AND his SON and that if we do not have the SON, then we do NOT have the FATHER. God wants us to believe that Jesus is his SON and no where do I find in God's word that we are taught to believe that Jesus himself IS THE ALMIGHTY God, which the Bible clearly and plainly teaches us is the FATHER. Clearly the Bible teaches us that Jesus came out from the Father and that the spoken WORD OF Almighty God was made to become flesh and blood much like Almighty God created or brought into existence all things. And God SAID LET THERE BE and there was.... God spoke his thought as his WORD and his WORD then BECAME what God imagined to be.


         So once again to keep things SIMPLE and EASY for most anyone to UNDERSTAND and teach to others I myself lean toward Revelation 3:14 to be speaking of Jesus being the BEGINNING of the NEW CREATION of God seeing that the entire book of Revelation is leading up to the NEW Jerusalem, a NEW AGE, A NEW BEGINNING where God makes all things NEW, where the wicked are destroyed once and for all time never to rise again.

         So then, if we live as an OVER COMER now in this present life, then our reward of ETERNAL LIFE awaits us in the world to come and the second death will have no power over us.

         May God bless you richly Zaire as you continue to seek the truth of he whole word of Almighty God.


Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.

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         QUESTION #2.

         In Daniel 3:25 is the fourth man in the fiery furnace referring to Jesus? And if so does this verse prove that Jesus is Almighty God?


         ANSWER to question #2:

         Hi Zaire

         I believe that it is only the King James version which translates Daniel 3:25 as the Son of God where most other translations translate this verse as son of the gods, which is a more accurate translation in view of the context. If you continue reading verse 28 goes on to clearly show us that this fourth being having the likeness of a son of god was an angel sent by God to rescue them from the fiery furnace.

         At most this verse only foreshadows the yet coming Son of God who will deliver us from the yet a future fire at the second coming of Jesus. You see Zaire Christians have been dogmatically told that Daniel proves that Jesus preexisted for so long that many blindly accept what they are taught without question and then they REPEAT what they have been TAUGHT without ever searching out the truth for themselves. Some churches falsely dogmatically demand that one cannot be a true Christian if so be that they do not believe in the doctrine of the trinity and that Jesus preexisted with the Father as his Son without ever having a beginning.
         But the Bible clearly teaches us that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of the Father which clearly teaches us that Jesus had a BEGINNING by being BORN or being brought into existence at some point in time.
         Now some teach that this point in time was before all of creation. I too once believed this line of thinking for awhile, because this was what I was TAUGHT by the churches I had attended, but the more I meditate on the word of God I now lean more to the point in time that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of Almighty God was when the spoken word of God became flesh and dwelt among men. To me this belief of Jesus being brought into existence AT the time he was BEGOTTEN in the womb of Mary does not contradict any other portion of scripture.
          So then, if one is willing to take a closer look at the verses that SEEM to teach the doctrine of the trinity and the preexistence of Jesus, then they will see for themselves that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING and that Jesus was brought into existence at the time he was begotten in the womb of Mary to be born a human being. But before this time Jesus only existed as the PROPHETIC WORD of Almighty God of a yet coming SON OF God. I also believe that Jesus did not actually become the begotten SON OF Almighty God, until Jesus became obedient unto death on the cross and God raised him from the dead and gave him eternal life. This was God's IMAGE that he desired his Son to be, but it all began with the BIRTH of Jesus being born of a WOMAN. This is what I believe that the WHOLE word of God teaches us, but I do not dogmatically demand that one MUST believe this in order to be saved and receive eternal life. I believed that I was saved when I used to believe in the doctrine of the trinity and I believe that I am saved now by not believing in the man made doctrine of the trinity.

         In closing here is a link to a website that gives the original language and the actual meanings of the words in Daniel 3:25 that you may read for yourself what the Greek and Hebrew scholars write.


Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
Mark.

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         Question #3

         HI Mark

         Is the angel in Exodus 3:2-18 speaking of Jesus Christ? And if the Angel in exodus chapter three is referring to Jesus Christ does then then prove that Jesus preexisted?


         ANSWER to question #3:

         Hi Zaire

         What Moses SAW was an angel OF Almighty God the Father, who came out of the burning bush in the likeness of a flaming fire and then what Moses HEARD was the VOICE of Almighty God the Father himself.

         OR it may be that what Moses HEARD was the voice of the angel, who was speaking in BEHALF OF Almighty God the Father. 

         You see Zaire one must ASSUME that it was actually the angel who was the one who was speaking. And then one must ASSUME that this angel was Jesus Christ. And then one must ASSUME that this being who was speaking in the form of an angel was indeed THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD himself who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. But this line of reasoning CONTRADICTS the verses that teach us that NO MAN has ever SEEN God nor CAN SEE him.

         Why complicate the word of God that simply says that Moses SAW and ANGEL OF God? Why dogmatically demand this verse to mean that this ANGEL was Jesus? Would that not be saying that Jesus was an ANGEL? And since the Bible itself says that Moses saw an ANGEL and Moses HEARD the VOICE of the Almighty, then does this PROVE that the ANGEL is Almighty God HIMSELF? NO! A thousand times NO!

         All we know for sure is that Moses HEARD the voice of God saying that he was the ALMIGHTY, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please keep in mind that Almighty God is a SPIRIT, who is INVISIBLE who CANNOT be SEEN by MAN.

         Also we know from the Bible that Almighty God himself is NOT an ANGEL or a MAN or any other CREATED being. Therefore an ANGEL OF Almighty God cannot be one and the self same being as Almighty God himself.

         So in other words, if one dogmatically demands that this ANGEL is JESUS, then this would make Jesus to be an ANGEL, which are CREATED beings and therefore Jesus could NOT possibly be Almighty God the Father himself as they ALSO dogmatically demand using this and other verses of scripture.

         You cannot have it both ways by using different verses to try and prove that Jesus is Almighty God himself AND at the SAME time Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God the Father, or that Jesus is the ANGEL OF Almighty, who has SUPPOSEDLY preexisted with the Father for all eternity past as the SON OF God or as God the SON, and therefore teach that God the SON NEVER had a BEGINNING. For you see a SON always has a beginning by being BORN at some point in time.

         So you can clearly see that this type of teaching does not stand up to very simple logical reasoning where the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, plainly and clearly states that Jesus is BEGOTTEN OF Almighty God the Father where God says THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN you speaking of a specific day or point in time.

         No matter how one looks at the scriptures they plainly teach that Jesus is BEGOTTEN OF Almighty God the Father, which clearly teaches us that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING and therefore proves beyond any shadow of a doubt the Jesus himself cannot be THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, who has NO BEGINNING and who was NEVER BEGOTTEN or brought into existence but who has always SELF EXISTED without beginning nor ending.

         Now for ME it is far easier to believe that the BEGINNING of Jesus is WHEN he was BEGOTTEN OF the Father at his conception in the womb of Mary when the WORD of God was SPOKEN by the angel Gabriel to Mary and then when she agreed that God's SPOKEN WORD be done according to what was spoken to her by the angel Gabriel was the TIME in which Jesus was BEGOTTEN in the womb of Mary to be BORN a human being and to be called the SON OF God.

         The ONLY way that I myself can even possibly see that Jesus preexisted as separate person beside Almighty God is that Jesus preexisted as the WORD OF Almighty God where the WORD OF Almighty God was or is a LIVING BEING who then became a human being being born of the virgin Mary. But to ME this CONFUSES some who ask how can you tell the difference between the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God and this separate divine being called the WORD of God? Does not the Bible say that ALL of God's word is his LIVING word that abides forever? And then would this not mean that all of God's creation brought forth into existence BY the spoken living word of God would be of a DIVINE NATURE?

         So then, for ME it is far easier to believe that when Almighty God SPEAKS FORTH his THOUGHTS is the FORM of his WORD, then his SPOKEN WORD BECOMES whatever God has SPOKEN. In other words, the IMAGE of what God is THINKING to yet come into being when God SPEAKS FORTH his WORD which is the EXPRESSED IMAGE of what God desires to come to pass, it then BECOMES or comes into existence where it never existed before except in the MIND of God.

         So when the Bible says that Jesus was in the FORM OF God and that Jesus is the EXPRESS IMAGE OF God and that the WORD WAS God, then all these verse AGREE that Jesus came into being BY the SPOKEN WORD OF Almighty God having preexisted in the MIND of God only until the WORD of God was FULFILLED by being spoken by the angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary to be conceived in the womb of Mary to be born as a human being, the Son of MAN who would be called the Son of God.

         ALL the verses used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity and the preexistence of Jesus as the Son of God WITHOUT ever having a beginning can easily be explained in another way that make far more sense in the light of the WHOLE word of God and that does NOT contradict any other part of God's word if one is truly willing to hear the truth of God's word with an open heart.

         For example when Jesus said before Abraham I AM some Christians dogmatically demand that Jesus is saying that he himself is the one true and only ALMIGHTY God the great I AM based upon Exodus 3:14.

         But other verses CONTRADICT this INTERPRETATION of these words of Jesus saying that before Abraham I am.

         You see Zaire, the literal Greek meaning of "ego emin" that the translators TRANSLATED as "I am"  simply means "I WAS", or "I am he". Yes these Greek words can translated as I am, but they were never meant to be INTERPRETED as Jesus saying that he himself IS THE GREAT I AM, as in Jesus was saying that he himself is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.

         Now some would argue that if Jesus meant that BEFORE Abraham I WAS, then this would still prove that Jesus preexisted with Almighty God the Father as the Son pf God WITHOUT a BEGINNING.

         But in truth, the true meaning of this passage of scripture is that the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking held Abraham up high on a pedestal so to speak and all Jesus was saying to them and us that BEFORE God ever THOUGHT to bring forth ABRAHAM into existence that his Son Jesus WAS in his thoughts even BEFORE the foundation of the earth or BEFORE Abraham I existed in the MIND and the PLAN of Almighty God. Jesus said to some of these same Jews that they searched the scriptures to find eternal life and he told them that the scriptures SPOKE of him being their Messiah who would save them. When Jesus said to these same Jews that if they did not believe that I am he that they would die in their sins. And they asked him WHO are you. Jesus replied I am the SAME that I have told you from the beginning. Then when we go back to the beginning of the ministry of Jesus he told them that he was the ONE SPOKEN of in the SCRIPTURES the spoken WORD of Almighty God. Jesus said I am the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God whom he sent to redeem the world. God thought to bring forth his Son BEFORE God ever thought to bring forth Abraham is what this passage of scripture means in the light of the whole word of God.

        Also please UNDERSTAND that when Almighty God said the words, I AM in Exodus 3:14 he did not simply say I AM, but rather said I AM the self existing one, which can also be translated as I AM BECOMING WHAT I SHALL BE, or I AM what I AM, or I AM what I will BE. But Jesus never once said any of these types of words, but rather simply said "ego emin" which means "I am", which literally means "I WAS" or "I am he".


        So the answer to your question Zaire is NO I do not see in any way for Exodus chapter 3 or any other verse in the Bible that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt the Jesus preexisted with Almighty God as a literal spirit being who was WITH Almighty God as the SON OF Almighty God who had NO BEGINNING.

        Sorry for laughing within myself right now, but when I wrote the words Jesus had NO BEGINNING it reminded me of a response given by one of the early church writers who tried to argue that Jesus was indeed begotten of the Father, BUT he went on to argue that Jesus was begotten WITHOUT being BEGOTTEN, because the doctrine that he was trying to argue as the truth taught that Jesus had NO BEGINNING.

        You see Zaire, this debate has been around since the third and fourth century. The truth of the matter is that the doctrines of the trinity and the preexistence of Jesus took many centuries to develop and they were also met with much resistance by many Christians all through the entire church age who were heavily persecuted and even martyred for their refusal to submit to these man made doctrines of the trinity and Jesus being the Almighty God himself WITHOUT a BEGINNING. The earliest of the early church knew and taught that Jesus was the SON OF Almighty God BORN of the virgin Mary. Search the history of the doctrine of the trinity and be OPEN to hear BOTH sides of the argument if you truly want to know the WHOLE truth of the WHOLE word of God. There have always been believers in the church who have been persecuted and even killed because they would not accept the Catholic doctrine of the trinity.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.

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         QUESTION #4. Does Revelation 1:8 prove that Jesus is Almighty God himself?


This question comes from our dear brother in the Lord Nigel who writes the following:

         Hi Mark
I came across your site via your you tube video about the pre trib rapture error.

         You say that you believe "Jesus is not almighty God".  One of the verses you quote is
Rev 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lordwhich is, and which was, and which is to comeTHE ALMIGHTY."

         If you read vs 17& 18 referring to the first and the last (alpha & Omega) that says "I am he who lives and was dead and behold I am alive forevermore" (NKJB)

         We know God the Father did not die on the cross because He is Spirit. Yet clearly the same words given to the Father speak of the Son.

         The prophet Isaiah said that a child would be born who name would be Emmanuel. The fulfillment we read in Matt 1:22-23.

          Clearly Jesus is GOD WITH US. Then we have John 8:58   Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

         Having said this. There is to be distinction between Father and Son. No one comes to the Father except through the Son. But to say Jesus is not God is not true.

         I know the subject of the trinity is somewhat difficult and many just nod their head to anything without studying for themselves. 

         I don't pretend to know everything but I do know God is Father Son & Holy Spirit. One God. In Genesis we read about God creating man in OUR image. 
        The word for God in Hebrew is Elohim it's Plural.  Deuteronomy 6:4 says   “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! The idea of one is oneness or Unity not 3 Gods.

         We must also consider the fact that we must not bow down and worship any other God besides the creator God of the world. But the scripture teaches every knee shall bow before Jesus. Hmmm

Appreciate your feed back

Yours

Nigel

         Answer to Question #4. 

         Does Revelation 1:8 prove that Jesus is ALMIGHTY God himself?

          Hi Nigel
 
          Thank you for your concern for others who will follow the beliefs of others even if they are NOT sound Biblical teaching. I too have the same heart for others who have been deceived by false teaching, which is why the Holy Spirit has led me to write the studies that I write.
          You may not realize that many people who have been in church are their life are leaving the church and falling away BECAUSE of the dogmatic teaching of the "DOCTRINE" of the trinity that dogmatically demands that Jesus is equal in every way with Almighty God the Father where neither is less than nor greater than the other. 
           You see, those who are leaving the church over this doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus are doing so because they have become confused and disillusioned when the read for themselves in the Bible that Jesus is not all knowing as Almighty God the Father and that Jesus is subject unto his God and Father. And when they approach the pastor with their concerns they are simply and dogmatically told that if they do not believe that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God then they are not saved and they will not go to heaven.
         Yet on the inside deep within their inner most being they KNOW that the Holy Bible does NOT teach that Jesus is equal with his God and Father. They KNOW that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God. They KNOW that Jesus is NOT the FATHER. And they  KNOW that Almighty God is GREATER than his Son Jesus. So all that is left for them to do is to leave the mainstream church. Some like myself do indeed remain true believers is Jesus as their savior and they have written to me with tears thanking me for writing the truth.
         So you see Nigel these studies are not for those who truly believe in the doctrine of the trinity and are strong and secure in their faith REMAINING in their faith in Jesus Christ, but rather these studies are for those who are desperately searching for the truth that the Holy Spirit himself is indeed teaching to them as he has done to me. I KNOW deep in my heart that many Christians have REMAINED strong in their faith after reading these studies that I have written knowing that God is leading them to the truth of the whole word of Almighty God the Father.

         In answer to you first question or scripture that you quoted back to me, Revelation 1:8 your basic concern to me seems to be that you understand that just because I teach that Jesus is NOT THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, then you ASSUME that I teach that Jesus is NOT God at all. I assure you that the Bible does indeed teach that Jesus is God, but the word of TRUTH the Holy Bible does NOT teach that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who alone is the FATHER.
         Yes every knee shall bow to the NAME of Jesus TO the GLORY OF the FATHER who has HIGHLY EXALTED his Son Jesus because of his OBEDIENCE unto death on the cross. Almighty God the Father has highly exalted his Son Jesus to become a "THEOS" or a God who is UNDER and subject to the ONE true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, the Father of all. Please read the study called "----------------------------------

         As regards to Revelation 1:8 the one speaking in this verse is Almighty God the FATHER himself and NOT Jesus his Son. You see Nigel if you read on through all the way to Revelation 4:1 you will see the the FIRST voice that had the sound as of a trumpet is the voice of Almighty God the FATHER who we learn is the one sitting on the throne and in Revelation 5 where we see the LAMB, which we know is Jesus, who comes OVER to the ONE sitting on the throne and takes the book out of HIS hand. 
        Now the SECOND voice in Revelation 1:17,18 is the voice of Jesus the SON OF Almighty God the FATHER.
To ME and many other Christians their can be only ONE God who is THE ALMIGHTY who is HIGHER than any other God INCLUDING be God OVER his SON Jesus who he has GIVEN all authority and power over all his creation leaving ONLY Almighty God the FATHER himself who is NOT under his Son Jesus or any other God, because the FATHER alone is the ONE TRUE and ONLY God who is THE ALMIGHTY God. 
         You see, Jesus has been highly exalted to become a God to sit at his God and Father;s right hand on his God and Father's throne. Then AFTER the 1000 year reign of Jesus in his Father's kingdom Jesus will commit the Kingdom of his God and Father back into the hands of his God and Father and the ALMIGHTY will once again be all in all. Please read the study called "REVELATION 1:8 I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA", which is an in depth study clearly showing from the scriptures that Jesus is not THE ALMIGHTY God who alone is the FATHER.
         
          I also cover all the verses you have mentioned and many more verses used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity, but again if you are strong in you faith and you are not STRUGGLING to REMAIN in the faith, then I myself find that there is no harm in believing in the doctrine of the trinity that I myself see that will cause one to lose their salvation. Just scroll down the menu bar to the left at the top of this page to find all the studies related to exposing the errors of the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus if you are truly seeking the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God.
          I am not here to argue and debate any doctrine, but rather I am here to help those who are sincerely seeking the TRUTH. So when the Holy Spirit does begin to open your eyes to the errors of the "DOCTRINE" of the trinity I pray that you follow his leading and guiding into all truth and hold fast to your confession of faith that we must believe in BOTH Almighty God the Father AND in his SON Jesus in order to obtain eternal life in the world to come. You ALREADY see that the Bible teaches us a CLEAR DISTINCTION between the Father and his Son Jesus. Now all that is left is for you to see that Jesus is indeed a God who is UNDER and SUBJECT to HIS God and Father, the ONE TRUE and ONLY God who is THE ALMIGHTY God, the Father of ALL.

          And once again if you read all my teachings you will clearly see that my teachings do not make Jesus to simply be just another ordinary man as every other human being. I do indeed stress the humanity of Jesus who HIMSELF DEPENDED upon the Holy Spirit of his God and Father who DWELT IN his SON Jesus in order to show and teach my fellow brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ that WE as true believers in Jesus as our savior must believe and follow the same Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father who now DWELLS IN US empowering US to do the SAME works that Jesus did THROUGH the power of the eternal Spirit of the Father who DWELT IN his Son Jesus.

         May God bless you richly Nigel as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of Almighty God.
         Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
         Mark.

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         QUESTION #5

         Does Colossians 1:19 and 2:9 prove that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God himself?

         This question come from our dear brother in the Lord Nigel who writes back to me the following:

         Dear Mark
        Thanks for your reply. I can see you have spent a lot of time studying these things. I was once taught about the pendulum swing as on a clock. Throughout history sincere believers who wanted to take a stand again a false doctrine reacted to counter the wrong, and in doing so they swung too far the other way and where also wrong.
         Mark in Col 1:19,2:9 we read " For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell",  "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;"
         Jesus is fully God and fully man. 
         Yes Jesus when He walked the earth was dependent on the holy spirit and Jesus was tempted in all the ways we are but did not sin. We read that the judgment while on the earth is given to the son John 5:22. See also Acts 17:31, Acts 10:42   “because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” 10:42 says  “And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead."

          Furthermore only God can preexist. So as I quoted before, Jesus said before Abraham was I AM. Jesus is the word who was in the beginning with God and was God John 1:1-2.

         Mark did you you read Phil 2:5-7?  
         Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,  who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with God,  but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

         Col 1:15-17  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.  For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

         Whichever way we may wish to swing the Pendulum in reaction to wrong teaching, in this case and to be accurate the pendulum must be straight in the middle. Jesus is the word, who is God, the son of man, & the son of God, Creator, the Lord. The Father is the Lord God Almighty God the creator, who is Spirit, Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God & Jesus. (Roman 8)
         Father, Son & Spirit created all things, God is a unit of 3. All have a hand in creation and re creation new birth. All resurrected Jesus from the dead. But the truth is we will only See Jesus becuase God the Father is Spirit.
The Father is Alpha & omega the first and the Last as is Jesus the Messiah (chosen one)

         Mark you said in your response to me  in Rev 1 "As regards to Revelation 1:8 the one speaking is Almighty God the FATHER."
         OK saying that this is the Father speaking is true because the Father is Alpha & omega. But then The Father did not die on the cross did He? So when we read verses 17- 18 the Alpha & Omega (first & last) must be speaking of God the I AM.
         The same I am who sent Moses to deliver His people from Egypt and the same I am who said Before Abraham was I Am.
         Any time we see the word  I am in connection with Jesus, the word (scripture) by the Spirit of God  is telling us something of the nature of God)
         God is salvation so Jesus is the savior. in God there is no darkness and he creates from darkness the Light (the first day)
         Evening and morning) Jesus is the light of the world. 
         It's not wrong to teach Jesus is the Lord and that we must worship Him alone is it? But if we are told not to have any other God's except THE GOD of Creation then either we have a contradiction or scripture is saying they are the same person EMMANUEL.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Nigel

         Answer to question #5.
        
          Does Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 prove that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God himself?

         Hi Nigel
         
         There is no contradiction in the word of God itself in the original language, but rather the contradictions come from the wrong INTERPRETATIONS and errors in TRANSLATION that man gives to the scriptures, which in turn cause the contradictions among the TEACHINGS of the many denominations of the church.
         In answer to your question at the very end of your reply back to me, "Is it wrong to teach that Jesus is Lord or to worship Jesus?" the answer is NO! 
         The Bible clearly teaches us that we must honor Jesus, the Son of Almighty God the Father, EVEN AS or in the same way that we honor the Father, which to me once again proves that Jesus is NOT the Father who alone is the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Also the Bible CLEARLY teaches that if we do not have the SON, then we also do NOT have the Father either. So the word of truth makes it quite clear to us that we must have BOTH the Father AND his SON Jesus in order to obtain eternal life in the world to come. Again I do not write these studies for those who just want to ARGUE and debate, but rather I write these studies for those believers who the Holy Spirit is revealing the TRUTH that Jesus is the SON OF the one true and only Almighty God the Father
         The Jews in the days of Jesus and still yet at this present time believe ONLY in Almighty God himself ALONE and they do NOT believe that God has a SON named Jesus or ANY SON for that matter, so according to the Bible the Jews are not yet SAVED. The Bible assures us that they WILL one day at the second coming of Jesus recognize Jesus as their MESSIAH and call upon him to be saved, but until that time only those who truly believe in Jesus as their savior and follow his teachings are saved.
The BIBLICAL understanding of God WITH us is that God's people the Jews were some four hundred years without hearing from God. This was a prophecy of God speaking to his people THROUGH his SON that was yet to come at the time that the prophecy was written. The word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible teaches us that some of the Jews truly understood that God was WITH the man Jesus, because who could do such mighty works EXCEPT that God be WITH him. The Bible clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father DWELT IN his Son Jesus and that it was the FATHER IN Jesus who was the one who was actually doing the mighty works of healing and the raising of the dead. Jesus said, I can do NOTHING of myself, the works that you see me do is the Father in me doing these works.

         Acts 10 is teaching us that Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil, FOR or BECAUSE God was WITH his Son Jesus by his Holy Spirit DWELLING IN him. This is why Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 says that the fullness of God DWELT IN him. Again Jesus clearly and plainly taught us that he HIMSELF could do NOTHING and that the works which were being done were done by his FATHER who DWELT IN him. So the TRUTH of the matter is that the FULLNESS of Almighty God the Father himself DWELT IN his Son Jesus and was the one who was actually doing the mighty works of healing as his Son Jesus OBEYED what the Father was telling or showing him to do. This is ALSO how Almighty God the Father was WITH us when the scripture calls Jesus Emmanuel being interpreted as God WITH us, but in truth MEANING that Almighty God was with us by DWELLING IN his Son Jesus. For it pleased Almighty God the Father that the all fullness should DWELL IN him speaking of Almighty God the Father himself DWELLING IN his Son Jesus.

          Nigel, whether you and the doctrine of the trinity realize it or not you are indeed saying or claiming that Jesus and his God and Father are one and the SAME person when you say that Jesus is THE ONE true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, which the word of TRUTH the Holy Bible clearly identifies as being the FATHER ALONE. Also you contradict yourself by saying that we will only see Jesus, because God is Spirit, which I assume you are speaking of God being INVISIBLE and that NO MAN can EVER see God and yet you dogmatically demand that Jesus IS ALMIGHTY God himself who the Bible says that NO MAN can EVER SEE
          You see, to those of us who no longer believe the doctrine of the trinity or who have never believed the doctrine of the trinity it seems as if you are saying that Jesus is ONE and the self SAME BEING as ALMIGHTY God whom NO MAN can SEE nor EVER shall be able to SEE, And yet the word of TRUTH clearly teaches us that MEN have indeed SEEN Jesus and that MEN will again SEE Jesus when he returns.
         The TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus was MADE or BEGOTTEN or brought into existence as a MAN made in the IMAGE OF Almighty God. Hebrews teaches us that Jesus is the EXPRESS IMAGE of God, which means that the life and works that Jesus did REPRESENTED precisely the true nature and character of Almighty God the Father.

         Again I do NOT believe in the false doctrine of the trinity, nor do I believe in the false doctrine or the oneness believers sometimes called Modalism where Jesus is falsely being taught to actually be one and the selfsame being as the Father who simply MANIFEST himself into different FORMS. This doctrine differs from the doctrine of the trinity also by dogmatically demanding that Jesus IS the FATHER himself, which the Bible does NOT teach. the Bible clearly teaches that we must believe in BOTH the Father AND in his SON Jesus and if we do not have the SON then we do not have the FATHER either. It seems pretty clear to me that the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible definitely teaches us that we must believe that Almighty God has a SON who died for our sins in order to be saved.

         So then once again, the word of TRUTH, the whole word of God teaches us that the are just TWO, who are Almighty God the FATHER and his SON Jesus. In truth the Holy Spirit IS the FATHER himself. 
         I have an in depth study written on each and every verse that is used by the above two false teachings explaining their true BIBLICAL meaning that does not contradict any other part of God's word.
         NOWHERE in the entire Bible are we taught or commanded that we must believe that Jesus is the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God or that God is a TRINITY in order to be saved, But we are clearly and plainly taught in the scriptures that we must believe that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God. We are clearly taught in the Bible that if we do NOT have the SON then we do not have the Father. And we are clearly taught in the Bible that we must believe in BOTH the Father AND the SON.

         Now here is the thing Nigel I was saved by the word of God confessing that Jesus died for my sins and I was TAUGHT the doctrine of the trinity, Which I accepted as the truth for many years. And when I USED to believe in the doctrine of the trinity back then I know that I know that I was saved, because the holy Spirit bore witness within me giving me the assurance that I was saved. And I am still yet saved even after REJECTING this FALSE doctrine that I once blindly believed for lack of knowledge because I was only taught these ONE sided beliefs of others who only repeated like a parrot what they themselves were taught by religious men. I mean no offense by these word, but you Nigel are being deceived by the lies of the enemy to believe these false teaching of men. 
         You see most every Christian I know, who holds fast to the false teaching that the MAN Jesus Christ IS THE ALMIGHTY God himself FAILS to see and understand the TRUTH that they themselves can do the very SAME works of healing and miracles that Jesus did, which also including living their lives without sin as Jesus lived his life without sin, BECAUSE they FAIL to see and understand that Jesus did these mighty works NOT because he was God, and NOT because Jesus was the SON OF Almighty God, but rather Jesus did these mighty works THROUGH the eternal Spirit who DWELT IN him. Jesus said that he could do NOTHING of HIMSELF but rather by depending on the SAME Almighty God the Father who now DWELLS IN US as believers, Jesus depended on the anointing of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father himself DWELLING IN him. We as Christians are the BODY of Jesus. Almighty God the FATHER is now DWELLING IN YOU Nigel. You are a CHRIST, an ANOINTED one of God who are is called to DO the same works that Jesus did. Jesus lived WITHOUT sin THROUGH the power of the eternal Spirit of the Father DWELLING IN him. Know you not that YOU are the temple of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father?
         It is my prayer that God will open your eyes to these truths found in his word. To US as Christians the Bible clearly teaches us that there is but ONE GOD. who is the FATHER, and that their is but one LORD, who is the SON OF the ONE true and ONLY God who is ALMIGHTY or the MOST HIGH who is OVER ALL including his SON Jesus.
         The truth of the whole word of God clearly teaches us that Jesus is NOT the Father.
         So since Jesus is NOT the FATHER, then Jesus CANNOT be THE ONE and ONLY God who is THE ALMIGHTY, because the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible clearly and plainly IDENTIFIES the FATHER as being the ONE God to Christians.
         Jesus did indeed come forth out from the Father and therefore at one time WAS God in the same way that all things were ONCE God, because ALL things came out FROM God when God SPOKE his WORD.
         So Jesus "preexisted" as the "WORD OF God" before Jesus came into existence as the IMAGE OF what Almighty God desired to BE, who then SPOKE forth his thoughts or desires in the FORM or the IMAGE of what God was desiring to BE. This is what John 1:1 teaches us when the WHOLE word of God is truly considered. Please read the study called "JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!" for a deeper understanding of what this verse in LITERALLY saying in the original language in which it was written to us.

         This argument against this false doctrine of the trinity has been around since this false doctrine began to take root in the church in the third century almost three hundred years after the founding of the church.
         You also made the comment that you came across my teaching that Jesus is not the ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER in one of the studies I wrote on the subject of the rapture of the church where I present the evidence from the whole word of God clearly showing the ERRORS of the false teaching of a PRE tribulation rapture of the church.
          May I ask if you believe in the PRE tribulation rapture of the church? If not may I ask did you ONCE believe in a PRE tribulation of the rapture of the church? And if not, then may I ask have you EVER been DECEIVED by ANY FALSE teaching whatever it may be and you NOW NO LONGER believe in that teaching because you now see from the word of God that it CONTRADICTS the whole word of God?

         Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
         Mark.

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         QUESTION #6

          Is Jesus IS ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF?

          This letter is from our dear sister in the Lord, Juliet, who was making more of a statement trying to prove that Jesus is the Almighty God himself. So let us see if the verses she uses prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus is Almighty God.

         Dear brother Mark,
         In Isaiah 6:1-13, verse 5 says, woe is me for I am undone, for I am a man of unclean lips for I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips for my eyes have seen the king the Lord of hosts.  God was called a king,  In verse 9, God told Isaiah that, go and tell this people, keep on hearing but do not  understand, keep on seeing but do not perceive, verse 10, make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and return and be healed. In Isaiah 7:14 God said, therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign, behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel.
         Isaiah 9:6 says, for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the government will be upon his shoulders, and his name will be called wonderful, counsellor, mighty God, everlasting father, prince of peace.  Now in Jeremiah 10:7 says, who will not fear you O king of nations,  verse 10 says, but the Lord  is a true God, he is the living God and an everlasting king at his wrath the earth shall tremble and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
         Now, Isaiah saw the king the Lord of hosts, also in Jeremiah God is called the king, also in revelation Jesus is called king of kings

         Now in revelation 19:11 says ,and I saw heaven opened , and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon it was called faithful and true, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns, and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.   verse 15, and out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations, and he shall rule them with the rod of iron, and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of  Almighty God. And he has on his vesture and on his thighs a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
In Luke 24:44, when Jesus rose from the dead he told his disciples that these are the words which I spoke to you that all that was written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled, in verse 45, he opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.
  
         John 10:30 Jesus said, I  and my father are one, if Jesus said that you can't  oppose it, if you do, you call him a liar. What he said is the truth. Now if you have apricot, that fruit has three parts, the fruit, and the seed, but when you crack the seed you get another seed, one fruit with three parts,  if Jesus is the son of God, that makes him to be equal with God.
         Read John 5:18 says, the Jews sought to kill Jesus  because he not only broke the Sabbath day but also said that God was his father
making himself equal with God.  Also in John 10:30, when Jesus said, " I and my father are one"  verse 31, when the Jews heard this they took up stones to stone him, verse 32, Jesus told them, many good works I have shown you from my father, for which of those works do you stone me?  verse 33, The Jews answered him, saying for good works we do not stone you,but for blasphemy, and because you being a man, make yourself God.  Verse 36, Jesus told them, do you say of him whom the farther sanctified and sent into the world, you are blaspheming, because I said I am the son of God?   So if Jesus is a son of God, he is equal with God,  so Jesus is  100 percent God. 
         In John 8: 19, Jesus was asked where his father is? he told them that, you know neither me nor my father, if you had known me you would have known my father also.
Now let see the Ezekiel's vision of God, in Ezekiel 1:4, Ezekiel looked and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself and brightness was all a round it and radiating out of its midst like the colour  of amber, out of the midst of fire.  Verse 5, Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures and this was their appearance they had the likeness of a man  verse 6, Each one had four faces and each one had four wings. Verse 8, The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides and each of the four had four faces and wings.
         Verse 10, As the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man, each of the four had a face of a lion  on the right side, each of the four had a face of an ox on the left side and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
         Verse 26, And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne in appearance like sapphire stone, on the likeness of throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
         Verse 27, Also from the appearance of his waist and up wards I saw, as it were, the colour of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it, and from the appearance of his waist and down wards I saw as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 
         Verse 28, Like the appearance of a rainbow in the cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

         So before Jesus manifested as a son of a man, he was in heaven as a man, that is why we were created in the likeness of God, physically and spiritually, we were created in God's image, who is Jesus Christ, because without Jesus nothing was made John 1:3

         Answer to Question #6.
    
         Is Jesus Almighty God himself?

         Hi Juliet

         Thank you for your email. I was taught as you have been taught that God is a trinity and that Jesus is God, as in, that Jesus is the one true and only ALMIGHTY God but yet at the same time Jesus is NOT the FATHER.
I never questioned this doctrine of the trinity until I began to see the truth in the scriptures that Jesus was UNDER and SUBJECT to HIS God and Father, who alone is THE ALMIGHTY God that is over ALL including his SON Jesus.

         You have quoted many verses that seem to support the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, but I assure you that in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God that they do not teach such doctrines. I have already written an in depth study on many of the verses that you quoted to me so I will not even try to deal with them ALL in this email. I encourage you to read the studies if you are truly seeking the truth of the whole word of God.

         But for now I would simply like to ask you if you are HEARING what you are saying? I mean no offense, but to those of us who no longer believe in the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus is sounds like you are saying that Almighty God himself is a MAN.
         Here is what you said at the very end of your email to me:
"So before Jesus manifested as the son of man, he was in heaven as a MAN. That is why we were created in the likeness of God, physically and spiritually. We were created in God's image, who is Jesus Christ, because without Jesus nothing was made John 1:3"

         It sounds as if you are saying that Jesus has always preexisted as a MAN and that this MAN Jesus has always existed as an eternal or an immortal self existing MAN without ever having a beginning.
But the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, clearly teaches us that God is NOT a MAN, so therefore the MAN Jesus cannot possibly be THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF.

         It appears to me that in the first two paragraphs you are trying to establish the argument that since the Bible calls Jesus that King of kings and the Bible also calls Almighty God the Father a King, then Jesus must therefore be ONE and the SELF SAME BEING as ALMIGHTY God and thus proving that Jesus IS Almighty God himself.
        Well if this line of reasoning were true, then why turn around and say that Jesus was a MAN in heaven before the word became a MAN on the earth, because by doing so it sounds to me as if you are saying that ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF is a MAN, and therefore Almighty God has ALWAYS been a MAN and then became a MAN by manifesting himself as a MAN since you are trying to prove that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF as is ONE and the SELF SAME being by your argument that Jesus is the King of kings.
         I explain the verse you have quoted in the study called "REVELATION 17:14 WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS?"

         In the third paragraph you quote John 10:30 where Jesus says, "I and my Father are ONE" and I assume that you believe that this verse is saying that Jesus is ONE and the self same being as Almighty God the Father.
To Christians who no longer believe in the man made doctrine of the trinity we see that every time any verse is used to TRY and make Jesus to be THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF then that same verse would also be saying that Jesus is the FATHER. And to us who no longer believe in the doctrine of the trinity know without a doubt that the word of TRUTH does NOT teach that Jesus IS the FATHER.
         We also know that the Bible CLEARLY identifies the one true God as being the FATHER alone. The word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible clearly states that to US meaning US as CHRISTIAN there is only ONE God, EVEN the FATHER and ONE Lord Jesus the SON OF Almighty God the Father.

          You also use the words of the JEWS as if Jesus himself was saying that he was EQUAL with God by calling his God his Father. Please keep in mind that some o these same Jews also falsely accused Jesus of having a DEVIL but not one Christian would ever take these word of the JEWS as the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God. Please read the study "JOHN 10:30 I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!" for an in depth study of what this verse is truly teaching us in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God.

         I will say that you are the first that I myself have heard who uses Ezekiel chapter 1 to try and prove that Almighty God is a MAN who has always preexisted as a MAN.
You answer yourself by acknowledging the truth that this was a VISION that Ezekiel was seeing. The truth of the matter is that Ezekiel was seeing the FUTURE when Jesus shall sit upon his God and Father's throne during the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

         Please understand that I do not write these studies to argue or to debate those who are hard core believers in the doctrine of the trinity, but rather I write these studies for those Christians who are struggling with the same verses that I myself struggled with as the Holy Spirit was leading me to the truth about Jesus being the SON OF Almighty God who was, is and always will be UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father.
trust me when I say that I was taught ALL these same verses as proofs fro supporting the doctrine of the trinity and the doctrine of the deity of Jesus. But NOW I can clearly see that they were all taken out of context and that their true meaning DISPROVES the false man made doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

         Please do not misunderstand what I teach. I do NOT teach that Jesus is simply another MAN just like every other human being. I clearly teach that Jesus was BORN or BEGOTTEN of Almighty God the Father himself by the spoken WORD of Almighty God to the virgin Mary and thus Jesus had NO EARTHLY father.
But I do EMPHASIZE the humanity of Jesus and that Almighty God the Father DWELT IN his Son Jesus to empower his Son to do the works that he did including living his life free from sin THROUGH the eternal Holy Spirit who DWELT IN him.

         Now while there are many Christians who believe that Jesus preexisted as the SON OF Almighty God or as a SPIRIT being called the WORD, you are the first that I myself have heard who believes that Jesus preexisted as a MAN.
The Bible says that THIS DAY I have BEGOTTEN you speaking of Almighty God bringing into existence his Son Jesus by his spoken word. to ME this verse proves that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING and therefore could not have ALWAYS preexisted in ANY form other than in the MIND of Almighty God.
         The Bible says that Jesus was CRUCIFIED on the cross BEFORE the foundation of the world but not one Christians take these words to mean that Jesus was LITERALLY and ACTUALLY crucified on the cross BEFORE the world ever existed. I mean how could man crucify Jesus BEFORE man ever was created.
NO! A thousand time NO! This verse does NOT mean that Jesus was literally crucified BEFORE the foundation of the world. Ever Christian I know fully understands the TRUTH of this verse as meaning that in the MIND and in the PLAN of God Jesus was crucified even before God created the world.

         I pray that you will read ALL the studies that I have written  exposing the errors of the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus and that the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth of the word of God.

         Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
         Mark.

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         Question #7.

         

         
UNDER CONSTRUCTION I will be posting more questions and answers each week.