PRETERISM TRUE OR FALSE?- Part 1

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PRETERISM, TRUE OR FALSE? - PART 1

 

WHEN WAS THE BOOK OF REVELATION WRITTEN?

 

 

When was the Book of Revelation written? WHY does it matter? To a FUTURIST it does not matter if the Book of Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD or AFTER 70 AD.

But to a FULL “PRETERIST” it is necessary for the Book of Revelation to have been written BEFORE 70 AD. For you see, many preterists teach that almost all of the Book of Revelation was FULFILLED in 70 AD when the Roman army destroyed the TEMPLE in Jerusalem just as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24:1-34. With that being said, let us begin section one of this three-part study to show historical evidence that the Book of Revelation was written well after 70 AD.

 

PART ONE of Preterism, True of False?


SECTION ONE

 

Now for some of my readers to understand this study you must REALIZE that there and many DIFFERENT degrees of “PRETERISM”. The word preterism comes from a Latin word that simply means “PAST” so preterism means that some, much, or even all Bible prophecy has ALREADY been fulfilled in the PAST recorder or not recorded in history and 70 AD seems to be the FOCAL point of most all preterists. The different degrees of preterism range from FULL preterism sometimes called EXTREME preterism or even HYPER preterism by some believes that the second coming of Jesus and basically ALL of Revelation has already been fulfilled in 70 AD.                 

The next degree is called PARTIAL preterism and even in this group of Christians, there are various degrees of what has been fulfilled and what has not been fulfilled anywhere from an INVISIBLE unseen second coming in 70 AD to no second coming of Jesus of any kind in 70 AD.

As always, I write what I write to HELP those who are STRUGGLE with their faith being CONFUSED as what they should believe or not believe. When I myself first started researching this subject on preterism I did not know why preterists believe that many prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD. But after asking a lot of questions I have a pretty good understanding one WHY preterists teach that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was the fulfillment of what Jesus said in Matthew 24 CONCERNING the TEMPLE being thrown down where not one stone would be left upon another. This did, INDEED, happen in 70 AD just as Jesus said it would.                                       

But what I do NOT understand is the reasoning of preterist Christians that MOST of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation have ALREADY been fulfilled in 70 AD. Now, I myself see SOME things in the Book of Revelation as having been fulfilled in HISTORY like the Ottoman empire rising and falling and now rising again, but I do not really see any SPECIFIC prophecy of the TEMPLE of Jerusalem being destroyed in the Book of Revelation. And yet nearly all preterists claim that MOST of the book of Revelation has already been fulfilled. And as I said a moment ago, preterism MUST have the Book of Revelation to have been written BEFORE 70 AD in order for their teaching to even have a leg to stand on so to speak. 

Please understand that the BIBLE itself will ALWAYS prove FALSE teaching to be FALSE. The TRUTH always shines through the darkness. So if you are TRULY seeking the TRUTH then I implore you to read the WHOLE matter and may God bless you richly as you seek HIS truth in the name of Jesus.

So then, let us begin this study in God's word by FIRST taking an objective and close look at the evidence from BOTH sides of this controversial subject that is dividing the body of Jesus Christ to determine WHEN the Book of Revelation was written. And then, as we closely examine ALL the evidence that I myself have been made aware of, we will take a close look at WHY some Christians sincerely and truly believe that almost all of the Book of Revelation has already been FULFILLED in 70 AD using the BIBLE itself as our standard to arrive at the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. But first, just a little bit of HISTORY.

The first piece of evidence that is presented by Christians who sincerely believe in the LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus and that almost all of the Book of Revelation is YET to be fulfilled in the near FUTURE, is an early church writing by Eusebius who is quoting an earlier church writing by Irenaeus.

 

"We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen not a very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign.”

 

Now, those who teach that the Book of Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD argue that the phrase, "...For that was seen not a very long time since...” is too VAGUE and unclear as what the writer is referring to. So, therefore, this early church writing, for THEM, cannot be accepted as support for a LATE POST 70 AD writing of the Book of Revelation. And some preterists make the CLAIM that this is the ONLY evidence for the LATER date of 96 AD of the writing of the Book of Revelation. 

However, this early church writing also says, ”towards the end of Domitian's reign.” and, according to Wikipedia, Domitian was a Roman Emperor from 81AD to 96 AD. And that was not a very long time since the VISION which means that the vision of the Apostle John took place just a very SHORT time before 96 AD.

So then, on the other side of the coin, those who teach that John wrote the Book of Revelation somewhere around 90 AD to as late as 96 AD disagree and say that to the Preterist Christians that it IS quite clear that the writer is saying, for that which was seen refers back to that which John had seen in the apocalyptic vision was towards the end of Domitian's reign.

Well, let us lay BOTH arguments aside for the moment and see what should be obvious to BOTH sides of this controversial subject between “PRETERISM” and “FUTURISM” which is the FACT that the “WE” in this writing by Eusubiuos who is quoting Irenaeus is referring to the CHURCH in the PRESENT DAY of Irenaeus. Now please notice what the “WE”, speaking of the CHURCH in the PRESENT day of Irenaeus, are saying.

“We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision”

 

In other words, Irenaeus is saying that if so be that John desired the PRESENT generation in the day of Irenaeus to know the name of the Antichrist, then John would have clearly stated the IDENTITY of the ANTICHRIST. You see dear children of God, the early church in the PRESENT day of Irenaeus which was well AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem, were STILL YET LOOKING of the identity of the ANTICHRIST who, according to some preterists had ALREADY come and gone at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. So SIMPLE LOGIC says since the CHURCH some 100 years AFTER 70 AD were STILL YET LOOKING for the Antichrist who Jesus HIMSELF will DESTROY AT his SECOND coming should tell anyone with eyes to see that Jesus did NOT come again is 70 AD.

Here is a quote that is taken from a website that supports a yet future coming Antichrist and a yet future coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will HIMSELF destroy this yet FUTURE coming Antichrist at his SECOND coming.

 

Irenaeus

 

"Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first-rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.”

 

Now some preterists that call themselves PARTIAL preterists who are quick to defend themselves saying that they do, INDEED, believe that the LITERAL VISUAL second coming of Jesus is STILL YET FUTURE and Jesus did NOT return in 70 AD to destroy the Antichrist with the brightness of his coming as 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 plainly teaches us. For you my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, I say AMEN, but I would admonish you to chose a DIFFERENT name to call yourself other than a preterist or even a partial preterist. So then, we can clearly see that the FULL Preterists are in error and that is why some full preterist Christians have split off to become PARTIAL Preterist Christians. So the question now has become, “Is partial preterism true or false. And that depends on how MUCH practical they are. For you see, some futurists are also PARTIAL futurists, in that, we believe that SOME of the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled.

As I said earlier, I myself do indeed see that SOME things in the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled but I do NOT see that MOST of the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled. More on this later, but for now, please read the whole chapter, but for now I will just quote 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10.

 

2 Thessalonians.

 

“And then shall that Wicked (Speaking of the Antichrist and the Antichrist system of ISLAM) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9. Even him, (Speaking of the Mahdi that is foretold to come in Islamic prophecy who fits the Bible prophecy of the Antichrist) whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they (The Muslims and all who take the MARK of this wild Islamic beast) received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”

 

Now in answer to the preterist CLAIM that the early church writing of Eusebius quoting Irenaeus is the ONLY evidence to support the LATE date of 90-96 AD of the writing of the Book of Revelation, here are a few more early church writings that specifically state that John was exiled by Domitian which, without a doubt, places the writing of the Book of Revelation well AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

 

Clement of Alexandria.

 

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).

 

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.

 

Now, to ME, simple logic again kicks in for this well respected very prominent “PRETERIST” that is understanding and AGREEING that John was exiled by DOMITIAN should raise a RED FLAG to the validity of the teaching that MOST ALL of the Book of Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD clearly seeing that John wrote down his vision well AFTER 70 AD and therefore the book of Revelation would have nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the TEMPLE in 70 AD. Just a few more quotes from early church writers and then on to what the BIBLE itself has to say.


Victorinus.

 

Victorinus (late third century), an author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:

 

When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).”

 

Jerome.

 

Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,

 

In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).”

 

Now, these three early church writers make it quite clear that John was exiled to the isle of Patmos by Domitian and he was not freed from his being exiled until AFTER the death of Domitian in 95 AD, which makes it impossible for John to have written the Book of Revelation BEFORE Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD as most all preterist dogmatically demand in order to support their teaching that most all of the Book of Revelation was already been fulfilled by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Also, while researching this subject I came across another argument used by preterists to try and defend their EARLY date interpretation and that it was NERO and NOT Domitian who exile John to the isle of Patmos. Here is a quote from a preterist website:

 

The inscription to the book of Revelation, in the Syrian version, first published by Deuteronomy Dieu, in 1627, and, afterward in the London Polyglot, is the following, The Revelation which God made to John the evangelist, in the Island of Patmos, to which he was banished by Nero Caesar.

 

To me, this type of evidence is like the Jehovah's Witnesses creating a Bible translation of their OWN in order to support what they teach. The date of this Syrian version of the Bible is around the time that preterism really began to gain some strength so it would not surprise me that some preterits with a preterist agenda had something to do with getting a preterist commentary written in the preface of this Syrian Bible. 

THINK this through for yourself dear child of God. IF SO BE that the Bible teaches preterism, then would not God make sure that all Christians would have a Syrian Bible seeing that it is most likely the only Bible that has such an endorsement of preterism?

Again, to me, this type of evidence is like COMMENTARIES in Bibles. Just find a Bible with COMMENTARIES that AGREES with what you teach and you have just proven NOTHING. I mean you can find all kinds of Bibles that are BIAS supporting a PRE-tribulation rapture of the church but that does NOT make those COMMENTARIES be the TRUTH. And like the pre-tribulation rapture teaching the ALREADY has been fulfilled preterist teaching is one of those “ITCHING EARS” teachings that is pleasant to hear. For you see, IF it is true then there is no great tribulation in the future that the church will go through.

But I assure you that full preterism is false teaching. And there will yet be 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation that are in the future from the time of my editing this study in 2020.

I myself find that the ONLY reason WHY preterist Christians push so hard to try and prove an early date for the writing of the Book of Revelation is that their INTERPRETATION of the Bible requires a date somewhat BEFORE 70 AD for the writing of the Book of Revelation at least by a few years. To me that date would have to be no less than a full 3 1/2 years before the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, which would be around February of 67 AD to allow for the full 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation. 

I mean if so be that the Book of Revelation was written as a WARNING ONLY to Christians about the destruction of Jerusalem then you would think that God would have this warning given to his people in plenty of time BEFORE the Antichrist came to destroy Jerusalem.

I believe that for MOST of my readers and seekers of the TRUTH I have presented enough HISTORICAL evidence on this one point to clearly show that the Book of Revelation was written well AFTER 70 AD and that even just ONE day after would be enough to prove that “PRETERISM” is FALSE teaching or at least that the Book of Revelation itself has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as most preterist CLAIM.

With that being said let us move on to showing WHY preterists have concluded that many if not all prophecy has been fulfilled in the Book of Revelation using the BIBLE itself.

 

SECTION TWO of Part ONE.

 

The main point is that ALL preterist Christians believe is a NON LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus that is NOT 1000 years, but rather, they claim that the Millennial reign of Jesus is an UNSPECIFIED number of years which THEY also CLAIM we are living in NOW in the present world.

Before we get into showing WHY ALL preterists believe in a NON LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus I would like to point out that NOT ALL of the Book of Revelation is yet FUTURE.

For example, Revelation 12 is speaking of the YET to be BORN holy child Jesus where Satan is waiting to devour the holy child Jesus as soon as he is born. So does this mean that John MUST, WITHOUT FAIL, had to write the Book of Revelation BEFORE Jesus was ever BORN in order for things written in the Book of Revelation to make sense? No! Not at all.

You see, John was told to write down what he SAW, and what he HEARD. John was told to write down what things were present in his day, and what things must be hereafter. So the THINGS that John said must SHORTLY come to pass was NOT EVERYTHING written in the Book of Revelation. 

 

Please read Revelation 1:19.

 

“Write the things which you have seen, (Now, while we are not specifically told in the Bible, I see that it is very possible for John to have SEEN the birth of Jesus, but most assuredly, John saw a vision of the birth of Jesus and he wrote this PAST event down in chapter 12.) and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;”

 

Let us begin this section of this study in God's word by showing WHY FULL preterists teach that there can be no such thing as a PARTIAL preterist.

ALL preterists use Revelation 1:1, Revelation 2:5, Revelation 2:16, Revelation 3:11, Revelation 22:7, Revelation 22:12, and Revelation 22:20 to try and prove that either all of the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled in 70 AD or at least most of the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled in 70 AD.

 

Revelation 1:1.

 

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants, things which MUST SHORTLY come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”

 

Revelation 2:5.

 

“Remember, therefore, from whence you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto you QUICKLY, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent.”

 

Revelation 2:16.

 

“Repent; or else I will come unto you QUICKLY, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.”

 

Revelation 3:11.

 

“Behold, I come QUICKLY: hold that fast which you have, that no man take your crown.”

 

Revelation 22:7.

 

“Behold, I come QUICKLY: blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of THIS book.”

 

Revelation 22:12.

 

“And, behold, I come QUICKLY; and my REWARD is WITH me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

 

Revelation 22:20.

 

“He which testifies these things says, Surely I come QUICKLY. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”

 

And ALL preterists INTERPRET these verses to mean, without fail, that all the prophecy in the Book of Revelation MUST be FULFILLED SHORTLY and QUICKLY just as these words of Jesus plainly state.

Now the FULL preterists dogmatically demand that these words of Jesus LITERALLY mean what they say. So then, they teach their followers that the word QUICKLY means QUICKLY and SHORTLY means SHORTLY. Therefore, they conclude that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation to yet be fulfilled in the future some 2000 years later.

Then the FULL preterist Christians point out that since these words mean what they say, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a PARTIAL preterist seeing that Jesus clearly said that he would come QUICKLY.

I myself have to AGREE with this LOGIC that if so be that you are going to dogmatically demand that the things written in the Book of Revelation MUST come to pass SHORTLY and mean within the GENERATION that was alive in the day of Jesus, then you MUST be CONSISTENT in interpreting the word of God. I mean you cannot pick and choose when QUICKLY means QUICKLY and when QUICKLY does NOT mean QUICKLY.

Then going back to the statements made by some PARTIAL preterists who state in their teachings that ALL of the Book of Revelation has ALREADY been fulfilled EXCEPT Revelation 20:10 through the end of the Book of Revelation. Well with that kind of blanket statement, then some PARTIAL preterist are saying that they believe that the SECOND COMING of Jesus has ALREADY been fulfilled in 70 AD as well and that they are only looking for the NEW heavens and the NEW earth at the very end of the age or world.

The TRUTH of the matter is that the Greek word, translated as QUICKLY means with SWIFTNESS, very fast, with speed. In other words, WHEN Jesus comes again his COMING will be like a FLASH of LIGHTENING so FAST that there will be NO time to REPENT before the dead in Christ are resurrected and our CHANGE takes place in a TWINKLING of an eye. This is why Jesus WARNS us to WATCH for the SIGNS of his COMING so that we will be absolutely sure we are keeping sin out of our lives and doing all we can to warn others to repent and believe in Jesus.

The Greek word translated as “SHORTLY” means the same thing, in that, WHEN SOME of the things in the Book of Revelation BEGIN to come to pass that they will come to pass in a relatively short amount of time.

Also, please take note that John did NOT say that ALL of the Book of Revelation MUST SHORTLY come to pass, but rather John is showing THINGS, as in, SOME things will come to pass quickly once they BEGIN to come to pass. I mean if you are PARTIAL preterists who do NOT believe that the SECOND coming has already taken place then you can NOT use ANY of the verses in the entire Bible that says Jesus will come QUICKLY if you INTERPRET the word quickly to me SOON, as in, in any moment, near at hand and so forth. But this word does NOT mean SOON as in the generation in the day of Jesus.

For example, John specifically tells us that the THIRD WOE will COME QUICKLY. But it is obvious from the CONTEXT that the third woe will come ONLY AFTER the second woe has already passed. So just because these Greek words CAN mean quickly, as in, a short amount of time does NOT dogmatically demand that they MUST, without fail, mean that ALL of the Book of revelation MUST, without fail, be completely fulfilled within the GENERATION that was alive in the day of Jesus.

 

Please read Revelation 11:14.

 

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe comes QUICKLY.”

 

This simply means that IMMEDIATELY AFTER the second woe is passed that the third woes will come in swiftness where there will NOT be any long length of time between the blowing of the sixth trumpet and the blowing of the 7th trumpet ad that the WRATH of Almighty God being poured out will NOT last that long. I myself see the WRATH of God lasting anywhere from 1 day to perhaps 75 days when it actually begins IMMEDIATELY after the rapture of the church, seeing that we are NOT appointed to the WRATH of Almighty God.

Now those of you who have read the studies that I have written on the great tribulation and the WRATH of God you will know that the SECOND COMING of Jesus will take place IMMEDIATELY AFTER the SIXTH seal, the SIXTH trumpet, the SIXTH vial, and THEN the SEVENTH, the SEVENTH seal, the SEVENTH trumpet and the SEVENTH vial is the WRATH of Almighty God. NOT that there are three different wrath(s) of God, but rather, the ONE wrath of God is being described in three different ways in the Book of Revelation in the SEVENTH seal, the SEVENTH trumpet, and the SEVENTH vial.

Remember that Jesus teaches us in Matthew 24:29 that IMMEDIATELY AFTER the time of the great tribulation that the SIGN of the Son of man COMING in clouds of great glory will take place and there will be SIGNS in the SUN, and in the MOON, and in the STARS.

 

Matthew 24:29.

 

IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the SUN be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light, and the STARS shall fall from heaven, and the POWERS of the heavens shall be SHAKEN:

30. And THEN shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the EARTH mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.”

 

The end of HEAVEN is speaking of the SKY where all believers in Jesus will be CAUGHT UP into the AIR to be gathered together by the angel and taken to MEET Jesus in the AIR over the place called ARMAGEDDON.

Please read Revelation 16:12-19 where the SIXTH vial is poured out and the SECOND COMING of Jesus is seen IMMEDIATELY AFTER the SIXTH seal, the SIXTH trumpet and the SIXTH vial, which is followed immediately by the WRATH of God being poured out in the SEVENTH seal, the SEVENTH trumpet, and the SEVENTH vial. And remember that the CHURCH is NOT appointed to the WRATH of God which come AFTER the second coming of Jesus, because Jesus is the one who will PERSONALLY and VISIBLY EXECUTE the WRATH of Almighty God. So just common sense should tell anyone who has eyes to see that since the CHURCH is still yet here that the WRATH of God spoken of in the NEW Testament has NOT YET taken place and therefore is still yet FUTURE. And simple LOGIC says that since the WRATH of God is going to come QUICKLY and it has not come in 2000 years, then QUICKLY does NOT MEAN SOON, as in, within the GENERATION of the day of Jesus as the FULL preterist dogmatically demand. 

So then, not ALL of Revelation must SHORTLY come to pass as the FULL preterist false teach because the CHURCH that is NOT appointed to the WRATH of God is still yet here preaching the gospel. I am getting a little ahead of myself so let us get back on track to show you that the WRATH of God is always seen in the SEVENTH, the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh vial, and the RAPTURE is always seen IN BETWEEN the SIXTH and the SEVENTH where the first SIX are the time of great tribulation, the wrath of Satan and the seventh is the WRATH of God.

 

Revelation 16:12-19.

 

“And the SIXTH angel poured out his VIAL upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. (Was the great river Euphrates DRIED UP in 70 AD? Did a great army from the EAST destroy Jerusalem in 70 AD?)

13. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Did the WHOLE WORLD gather together to destroy Jerusalem in 70 AD or was it JUST the ROMAN army? These are questions that DEMAND sound valid undeniable answers in order for the preterist theology to correct)

15. Behold, I come as a THIEF. (Did Jesus VISIBLY return to fight AGAINST the ROMAN army to DESTROY the man of sin? Then Jesus did NOT come in ANY way in 70 AD) Blessed is he that WATCHES, and keeps his garments, lest he walks naked, and they (The angels of Jesus) see his shame.

16. And he (Jesus) GATHERED THEM TOGETHER into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (The pre-tribulation believers INTERPRET this verse to mean that JESUS is gathering together the armies of the world to battle. But the WHOLE word of God teaches us that Jesus is COMING to save Israel and fight AGAINST the armies that are seeking to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. In other words, the TRUE meaning of this verse is that Jesus will send his angels to gather his ELECT together from one end of HEAVEN to the other end of HEAVEN and they will take us to MEET Jesus in the AIR over this place called ARMAGEDDON where Jesus will make WAR with all these nations who are making war with ISRAEL. And WHEN the nations or the TRIBES of all the world will SEE Jesus coming in great clouds of glory they will MOURN, they will be FRIGHTENED, and they will cry out for the dens of the mountains to cover them from the WRATH of God that is going to be poured out QUICKLY or immediately after the RAPTURE of the church, the ELECT of God in the SEVENTH seal, the SEVENTH trumpet, and the SEVENTH vial. This is the RAPTURE of the CHURCH right BEFORE the WRATH of God will be poured out in the SEVENTH)

17.  And the SEVENTH angel poured out his vial into the AIR; (Jesus is going to make WAR from the AIR initially against those Islamic Muslim nations who are making war with Israel and who will have killed many Christians and many Jews already before Jesus comes to RESCUE his people. The church and the Jews ARE the TWO witnesses in Revelation chapter 11 and the 3 1/2 days is speaking of many Christians and Jews being beheaded primarily in the Middle East during the 3 1/2 YEARS of the great tribulation. this is NOT to say that the Muslims will not kill Christians and Jews in other parts of the world, but rather to say that MOST of the slaughter will be in the Middle East. This is why Jesus said when you SEE the abomination of desolation FLEE JUDEA and the surrounding countries.) and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (The MYSTERY of God should be FINISHED. See Revelation 10:7 and 1 Corinthians 15;51,52, as well as Revelation 11 for the connection of it, is DONE or it is FINISHED. When the GOSPEL or the TESTIMONY of the TWO witnesses is FINISHED the RAPTURE will take place. By the way, there are SEVEN different pictures of the RAPTURE in the Book of Revelation, And again NOT seven different raptures, but rather the ONE rapture being described in seven different places in the Book of Revelation)

18. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning; and there was a great earthquake, such as was NOT since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. (This earthquake will be so great that it will be felt over the whole earth. See the verse by verse study that I have on Revelation and the very next verse)

19. And the great city (This is speaking of BABYLON which is a TYPE for the god of this present WORLD of PEOPLE the whole earth) was divided into THREE parts, (So the whole earth’s population will be divided into three parts, as opposed to the planet earth literally fall apart into three sections. But rather, the earth will be shaken so violently that the CITIES of many NATIONS will be destroyed all over the world) and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his WRATH.”

 

Again, the WRATH of God spoken of in the Book of Revelation has NOT taken place as yet, BECAUSE the CHURCH is still yet here PREACHING the GOSPEL and Jesus will NOT come UNTIL the gospel is preached in all the world to HIS satisfaction. Therefore the word QUICKLY does not mean IN the GENERATION of JESUS. For those of you who may not be following what I am saying let me say this another way.

 

#1. FULL Preterists CLAIM that John is saying that he is showing THINGS that MUST SHORTLY come to pass means without fail that ALL of the ENTIRE Book of Revelation MUST be FULFILLED during the GENERATION that was in the day of Jesus and to THEM it is IMPOSSIBLE for the ONE WORD to mean ANYTHING else.

 

#2. IF SO BE that there INTERPRETATION of that ONE WORD SHORTLY is correct, then that would mean that the WRATH of God was ALSO poured out in 70 AD meaning that ALL the things prophesied in the Book of Revelation took place in 70 AD including the DRYING UP of the great Euphrates River and MORE than just the ONE ROMAN army being destroyed PERSONALLY by the VISIBLE return of Jesus, the NEW JERUSALEM coming down from heaven, God creating the NEW heavens and the NEW earth, NO MORE DEATH, no more WAR EVER, I mean EVERYTHING in the Book of Revelation MUST, without fail, have already been fulfilled in 70 AD IF SO BE that one is going to dogmatically demand that THINGS mean EVERYTHING and SHORTLY means in the GENERATION in the day of Jesus. You cannot pick and choose when things mean ONLY SOME things and SHORTLY means only some things were fulfilled in the generation of Jesus. 

 

#3. THEREFORE, for even those who say that they are PARTIAL preterists they as well cannot use these words quickly and shortly to TRY and prove PARTIAL preterism. As I said before that I myself believe that SOME things have indeed been fulfilled in the Book of Revelation and if you are doing as well, then I implore you to call yourself something OTHER than a PRETERIST in any shape or form. If I had to place a NAME upon myself, then I would say that I am a POST tribulation PRE Millennial believer who believes in a LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus. I may not be your TYPICAL believer in this group but I most certainly believe that the LITERAL VISIBLE SECOND coming will be BEFORE the LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus, thus placing the LITERAL BODILY FIRST resurrection IMMEDIATELY AFTER the time of great tribulation AT the SECOND coming of Jesus. 

 

Now, let us COMPARE Scripture with Scripture and go to Revelation 6:12-17, which is right after the FIFTH seal was opened and we see the souls of the dead in Jesus Christ under the altar being told to wait just a little longer and then they are given WHITE ROBES. Keep this in mind when we go to Revelation 19 to compare the fifth seal with the SECOND coming of Jesus with his ARMIES still being yet in heaven and given WHITE ROBES to get READY to come down to the earth to make WAR.

For now, I want you to notice the SIGNS in the SUN, MOON, and STARS that will take place right at the END of the time of GREAT tribulation, which will be the SIGNS that usher IN the SECOND COMING of Jesus.

 

Revelation 6:12-17.

 

“And I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN became black as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON became as blood;

13. And the STARS of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (STARS in the Bible speak of the ANGELS. We all know that LITERAL stars cannot fall from heaven. Things can fall from heaven that will APPEAR as stars like meteors, satellites, and so forth. But to me, these are not FEARFUL signs, unless of course, these meteors would reach the ground, But since these signs will occur AT or right before the second coming of Jesus when the ANGEL of Satan will WAR against Michael and his ANGELS and knowing what I know about the CHARIOTS of God in the Bible and the UFO activity in these last days I myself am seeing what the world calls UFOs being knocked out of the SKY and falling to the earth like a fig tree casts her figs SHAKEN in a MIGHTY wind. Remember that the HEAVENS shall be SHAKEN. Now be honest with yourself. IF you did not KNOW about the CHARIOTS of God in the Old Testament, the WAR between the good and bad angels, and you do not believe in UFOs, then you will have out of your mind in FEAR when this war in heaven becomes VISIBLE. Remember to consider the WHOLE matter before you judge me as a lunatic. Please read the study “WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT UFOS?” and then if you still think that I am a lunatic, well, time will tell)

14. And the HEAVEN departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (I personally believe that this will be one of two things or both of these things. If you have ever seen an ATOMIC bomb or a NUCLEAR explosion being detonated and there are clouds in the air it looks just like a heavens being rolled back like a SCROLL. So I personally believe that one possibility of this verse is an atomic bomb being detonated in Israel to make her desolate and Jesus will return at this moment to destroy those who are destroying the earth. Or it may be the COMING of Jesus in flaming fire and great clouds of glory that cause the heavens to roll back as a scroll)

15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, HID themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; (All the tribes of the earth MOURN when they SEE Jesus coming again)

16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE us from the face of him that sits on the throne, AND from the WRATH of the Lamb:

17. For the great DAY of his WRATH is COME; and who SHALL be ABLE to stand?”

 

So then, Jesus says IMMEDIATELY AFTER the time of great tribulation that these SAME SIGNS would appear right before we see the Son of Man COMING in clouds of great glory, to GATHER TOGETHER his elect. This is the RAPTURE of the church. In other words, WE the church will SEE the FEARFUL SIGNS in the SUN, the MOON, the STARS ad the POWER of the heavens being SHAKEN, which are the principalities a,d powers of the AIR being CAST down to the earth in the WAR in heaven spoken of in Revelation 12. I mean if anything will cause some Christian to THINK NOT that Jesus is still yet coming it will be SEEING what the WORLD will call a massive UFO invasion from another world. 

Hey, I could be wrong, but something on the inside of me says WARN MY PEOPLE of things that are coming upon the earth. They LAUGHED Jesus to scorn so if they persecuted Jesus why should I expect not to be persecuted. I remember back about four years ago that I shared these things with my brothers and sisters in the Bible class I was teaching and a few went straight to the pastor as said, HE is teaching about UFO'S what does that have to do with Jesus coming again? I was asked not to teach anymore shortly after that. Most of my class understood that I was teaching a POSSIBILITY and that I was ONLY trying to WARN them of what the WORLD is conditioning people for in the days ahead.

Anyway, after the opening of the SIXTH seal, we have a GAP of space of time BEFORE the SEVENTH seal is opened and in that GAP of space of time BETWEEN the SIXTH and the SEVEN we see the RAPTURE of the church EVERY time. In BETWEEN the sixth and the seventh SEAL we have chapter 7 where we see the RAPTURE of the church and THEN in Revelation 8:1, we see the opening of the SEVENTH seal where all we are told is that there is SILENCE in HEAVEN for the space of ONE HALF and HOUR. This is speaking of only HALF of God's WRATH being poured out at the SECOND coming of Jesus and God has MERCY on his people Israel and those of the nations lest all flesh be slain and no man be left alive and the final second HALF of God's WRATH will be reserved until the 1000 year reign of Jesus has EXPIRED or has ended and Satan in let loose for a little season to once again DECEIVE the NATIONS to make WAR against God's people the Jews ad the CITY of God where the IMMORTAL Christians will be.

Now, even though we are not SPECIFICALLY told in the Book of Revelation it is safe to say that at some point during the time of great tribulation that the Jews will CALL upon God to SAVE them from their enemies who are seeking to kill every last Jew and every last Christian as well. Remember the words of Jesus telling his people the Jews that they will NOT SEE him again UNTIL THEY say the words, BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. So again simple common sense says that since the Jews were NOT RESCUED by Jesus in 70 AD, then Jesus did NOT come in 70 AD.

 

Please read Luke 13:34,35.

 

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto you; how often would I have gathered your children together, as a hen does gather her brood under her wings, and you would NOT

35. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, You shall NOT see me, UNTIL the TIME COME when YOU shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.”

 

It is my opinion is that the Jews never cried out for JESUS to SAVE them back in 70 AD so according to this passage of scripture it would be yet ANOTHER CONTRADICTION to say the Jesus came again back in 70 AD like the FULL preterists dogmatically demand and some PARTIAL preterist CLAIM the Jesus came again INVISIBLY or in some SPIRITUAL way to JUDGE Israel INTERPRETING the CLOUDS in Matthew 24 as clouds of JUDGMENT.

But the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, teaches us that at the SECOND COMING of Jesus that he comes again to make WAR with the nations who are making war with Israel to destroy those armies that are seeking to destroy Israel. You see dear child of God the PRE trib teaching has CONFUSED Christian to WRONGLY believe that the time of great tribulation the time of JACOB'S trouble IS the WRATH of God. NO a THOUSAND times NO the time of great tribulation is NOT the WRATH of God. Please read the study “WRATH OF GOD VERSUS THE GREAT TRIBULATION! for all the verses that prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the great tribulation is NOT the WRATH of Almighty God. Jesus is not coming back to JUDGE Israel, but rather to SAVE Israel so the PRETERIST argument that the CLOUDS in Matthew 24 are SYMBOLIC clouds of Judgment to TRY and prove that Jesus has already returned in an INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL way in 70 AD is all FALSE incorrect teaching.

Please read Zechariah 14:1-7, which clearly teaches us that Jesus will come down to the earth with his FEET on the mount of Olives and at this tie of his SECOND COMING he will FIGHT AGAINST those NATIONS who are fighting against Israel to SAVE Israel and NOT JUDGE Israel as some PARTIAL preterists CLAIM. By the way, this goes for the Jehovah's Witnesses who teach a FALSE INVISIBLE coming of Jesus in 1874 and was updated to 1914, and the 7th Day Adventist churches who also teach an INVISIBLE coming of Jesus in 1844. There is NO INVISIBLE second coming of Jesus at any time in history or in the future PERIOD! The BIBLE ITSELF ONLY teaches of ONE and ONLY ONE SECOND coming of Jesus and that EVERY EYE shall SEE his COMING again. And the second coming of Jesus is NOT going to be DIVIDED into TWO parts EITHER just to try and PROVE FALSE teaching like the PRE-trib escapism rapture theory.

 

Zechariah 14:1-7.

 

“Behold, the DAY of the LORD comes, and your spoil shall be divided in the midst of you.

2. For I will gather all nations (And NOT JUST the ONE ROMAN army of the ONE NATION of ROME) against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; (MUSLIMS are doing this in our day right now. They treat women like a piece of property. Selling people for slaves is more prominent in Muslim dominated countries than in any other country. One of the signs of the Antichrist and his followers is that they have no regard for WOMEN. This does not mean that they are gay, but rather that they treat their women like crap) and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3. Then shall the LORD go forth, and FIGHT AGAINST those NATIONS, as when he fought in the day of battle. (HISTORY does NOT teach us that the ROMAN army was destroyed in 70 AD)

4. And his feet (Most certainly, ALL of mankind will SEE Jesus in the AIR but the FEET may be speaking of his PEOPLE. His feet could be speaking of his army of saints and the angels. See Joel and the army that is NOT hurt by the sword that skips across the tops of the mountains. I believe that this is the GROUND troops sent to root out the enemy, the Muslim Islamic armies. Also, I believe that Jesus will remain in the AIR during his Millennial reign and THEN his feet will come down at the time of the war at the END of the literal 1000 year reign of Jesus) shall stand in that day UPON the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south. (Nonetheless, whatever the term, the feet of Jesus, means, a great earthquake or something will cause the Mount of Olives to split in what appears to be half creating a great valley for God's people to escape)

5. And you shall FLEE to the VALLEY of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains SHALL reach unto Azal: yea, you shall flee, like as you fled from before the EARTHQUAKE (Again, showing a great earthquake AT the second coming of Jesus only this time we are told that this great earthquake will cause the mount of Olives to slit into two halve creating a great valley for his people to ESCAPE by fleeing through this great valley. I have not researched it myself, but I would say by the REST of God's word that this great VALLEY is NOT there NOW at this present day, which means without fail that the SECOND COMING of Jesus is still yet FUTURE) in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with you. (Remember 1 Thessalonians 4 where God will BRING all the saints who have died in Jesus Christ WITH him, then we which are alive and remain will be caught up in the air TOGETHER with them, so thus ALL the saints will be with Jesus at the battle of Armageddon)

6. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7. But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.”

 

Now let us go back to the Book of revelation and read where the SEVENTH trumpet is blown. Please read Revelation 11:7-19 which is at the very end of the time of great tribulation when the church has FINISHED preaching the gospel to all the world and we see the RAPTURE of the church taking place.

 

Revelation 11:7-19.

 

“And when they (The two witnesses are the Christians and the Jews who are the ONLY two groups of people that stand for the ONE TRUE God in all the earth. Please read the study THE TWO WITNESSES WHO ARE THEY?”) shall have FINISHED their testimony, (Or preach the gospel to all the world. The Christians are preaching the gospel in this present world by the Jews will be saved DURING the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Also, the Jews will preach the gospel to the nations during the literal 1000 year reign of Jesus in the AIR. And at the END of the 1000 years) the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (Keep in mind that there will be TWO wars, one before the 1000 years and one after the 1000 years. The beast, aka, Satan, will be cast into the bottomless pit AT the coming of Jesus during the FIRST war before the 1000 years begins. Then at the end of the 1000 years, Satan will ascend out of the bottomless pit to wage the second and final war. But DURING the LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus there will be NO WARS. And that is how we KNOW will absolute certainty that ALL preterism is FALSE teaching)

8. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11. And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them which saw them. (This is the FIRST resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:4-6)

12. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies BEHELD them. (This is the RAPTURE of the church, the ELECT, which will include the 144,000 sealed Jews of the twelve tribes of Israel. So then, in the LIKE MANNER that Jesus ASCENDED into heaven being SEEN VISIBLY so shall the world SEE us ascend into heaven VISIBLY)

13. And the SAME HOUR (The HOUR speaks of the WRATH of God) was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were afraid, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe comes quickly. (The third woe is the WRATH of God that is poured out in the SEVENTH, the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh vial. Again NOT three wrath(s), but rather, ONE wrath being described in the SEVENTH. And the time of great tribulation is described in the first SIX where the severity increases in the FIFTH and SIXTH)

15. And the SEVENTH angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, (Have the kingdoms of this PRESENT world BECOME the kingdoms of the Lord in 70 AD? If they have, then what chance does the church have to persuade others to come into the kingdom of God if THIS PRESENT world is the kingdom of God now? I mean this is kind of like the Jehovah's Witnesses teaching about ONLY 144,000 LUCKY ones being up in heaven while all the rest of Christians are on the earth. At least the Jehovah's Witness paradise is more like what the Bible teaches, which this PRESENT world is NOTHING like the paradise on earth that the Bible describes) and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.

16. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshiped God,

17. Saying, We give you thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which are, and were, and are to come; because you have taken to you your great power, and have reigned.

18. And the NATIONS were ANGRY, (Was the ROMAN army ANGRY when they destroyed Jerusalem, or did they celebrate VICTORY? Israel will not be angry nor mourn nor cry out in fear when they see Jesus coming. But rather, Israel will REJOICE, saying BLESSED IS HE THAT COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD to rescue your people. The Bible also teaches us that SOME of the nations will repent as well and call upon the name of the Lord and they will be saved ALIVE in their MORTAL bodies along with the REMNANT of Israel to go into the LITERAL reign of Jesus for a LITERAL 1000 years right AFTER the first HALF of God's WRATH is poured out AT the second coming of Jesus upon the nations who are fighting against Israel. The ONLY NATIONS plural that will be ANGRY are the ones taking a beating from Jesus) and your WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, (Again, the WRATH of God is found in the SEVENTH. The reason that this may sound to some like the last and final resurrection at the END of the 1000 years is that God WRATH is divided or LIFTED at the SECOND coming of Jesus where God shows MERCY on his people Israel and then the last half of God WRATH is poured out at the END of the thousand-year reign of Jesus. So in truth, there will be rewards given at BOTH times before and after the 1000 year reign of Jesus. In other words, the END of the 1000 years will be very similar to the BEGINNING of the 1000 years, so God simply uses words where BOTH events before and after are described. There will be a LITERAL BODILY resurrection both before and after the 1000 years. And there will be a great WAR both before and after the 1000 years, and the WRATH of God both before and after the 1000 year reign of Jesus, and the judgment of the dead in Christ ONLY before the 1000 year reign of Jesus and the final judgment or all other people after the 1000 year reign of Jesus. So here the time is speaking of the Christians ONLY) that they should be judged, and that you should give reward unto your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

19. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightning, and voices, and thundering, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

 

Now, some PARTIAL preterists INTERPRET the FIRST resurrection as being a SPIRITUAL resurrection and they believe that the LITERAL VISIBLE SECOND coming of Jesus and the FINAL resurrection is YET in the FUTURE at the END of their so-called NON-LITERAL 1000 years of an unspecified number of years which they CLAIM that we are living in NOW in this PRESENT world. So then once again, because their belief that we are NOW presenting living in NON-LITERAL 1000 years that is NOT a LITERAL 1000 years, but rather it is an UNSPECIFIED number of years that began in the day of Jesus and continues to this present day in which we are NOW living, then they must place the LITERAL VISIBLE SECOND COMING of Jesus AFTER what the Bible itself calls the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

If this is true, then WHEN does Jesus reign ON the earth as the Bible says? He cannot, because after the LITERAL 1000 year reign of Jesus as the BIBLE ITSELF teaches comes the final war, the final resurrection of the REST of the dead, the final judgment where DEATH is destroyed and ALL the RIGHTEOUS will be granted ETERNAL LIFE and the New Heavens and the New Earth will be created. The CITY of NEW Jerusalem will come all the way down to the NEW earth and the ages to come will begin. NO MORE MORTAL BODIES. So WHEN do all the prophecies about the paradise on earth with people in their MORTAL bodies take place?

Some PARTIAL preterist also INTERPRET the reign of Jesus as being RIGHT NOW in this PRESENT world and when he comes again Jesus will commit his reign in his Father's kingdom back into his Fathers hands and we will go right into the ages to come where God will create the New Heavens and the New Earth right after the final resurrection and judgment. And again IF SO BE that this was true, then I am forced to say that Jesus is doing a TERRIBLE JOB at ruling and reigning in this present world. I mean I myself do not see how ANYONE can believe this ridiculous teaching of preterism in ANY form, FULL, PARTIAL, or otherwise. I am sorry if this offends any of you, but it is time that you WAKE UP and THINK things THROUGH for yourself using the WHOLE word of Almighty God as opposed to the FEW verses that you are having trouble understanding in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

This concludes part one of this study in God's word to learn if Preterism is true or false teaching. In part two of this study  PRETERISM TRUE OR FALSE? - Part 2 ”, we will take a close look at the verses of Scriptures that teach us what the literal 1000 year reign of Jesus will be like.

If you are a Preterist Christian who is TRULY seeking the TRUTH, then I IMPLORE you to keep reading the WHOLE matter and ALL your questions will be answered so that you can LOGICALLY understand the word of God being interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE of God's word.

Thanks for reading and may God bless you as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.


Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Brother Mark.


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