JOHN 6:32-62 JESUS CAME DOWN from HEAVEN!


Does John 6:32-62 PROVE that Jesus 

PREEXISTED up in heaven 

as the ETERNAL DIVINE SON OF God

in all ETERNITY PAST?


             In other words, do the following verse in John chapter 6 prove without fail that God's Son was begotten by God in eternity past, and thus Jesus preexisted AS God's ETERNAL DIVINE Son in eternity past, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE. And then the God SENT his eternal divine SON down form heaven INTO the earth. Thus it was the SON OF God who manifested HIMSELF to become the Son of MAN and NOT Yahweh himself who was the one that manifested himself to become FLESH?

             Let us read each verse separately taken out of context and then we will read the whole context of John 6:32-62 in the light of the whole word of God to see what the Bible itself teaches us.

John 6:32. 


         “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread FROM heaven


John 6:33. 


 For the bread of God is HE which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”


John 6:38. 


For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”


John 6:42. 

And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?


John 6:50.

 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


John 6:51. 

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


John 6:58. 

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.


John 6:62. 


What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was BEFORE?”


Now before we read the CONTEXT of these verses let me share with two things first.

As I have said many times that any verse of verses when viewed ALONE and APART from the REST of God may SEEM to be saying something that it is NOT TRULY saying.

In other words, there is no doubt that these verses SEEM to be saying that Jesus HIMSELF literally came down from heaven into the earth. And, if so be, that these verse are truly saying that Jesus himself literally came down out of heaven down to the earth, then one must logically conclude that Jesus preexisted as a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, how was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE from eternally past. And thus this would also mean the Jesus was literally BEGOTTEN of God in eternity past as well in order to preexist AS God eternal divine SON up in heaven with God at his side.

Let us assume for a moment that this INTERPRETATION is the correct interpretation of these verses. Here is how the theory of Jesus preexisting as a SEPARATE person of the one God who wit with the God at his side in eternity past who God SENT down from heaven INTO the earth.

Some say that the Son volunteered to come down from heaven into the earth to become flesh and dwell among men. They use a few verse like Philippians 2:6-9 and 2 Corinthians 8:9 to teach that Jesus gave it all up and humble himself to become the Son of man. Then after Jesus accomplish God's will to die on the cross God the Father highly exalted him or RESTORED God the Son BACK to his original position with God the Father to be equal with God as he was before he manifest himself to become flesh.

Sound logical UNTIL you read the scriptures for YOURSELF. I mean think this through for yourself dear child of God. We all know and agree that God is SMARTER and WISER than man. So according to this theory that God the Son was EQUAL in every way with God the Father in eternity past where neither was less than nor greater than the other. Then they both agreed that mankind needed a savior and God the Son volunteered to do what God the Father sent him down from heaven INTO the earth to do. And after God the Son died on the cross God the Father HIGHLY exalted God the Son to be a God UNDER the Father being SUBJECT TO the Father.

Now I am no rocket scientist, but it sounds to ME, according to THEIR theory of Jesus preexisting AS God the SON in eternity past, that God the Son got ripped off going from being EQUAL with God the Father in every way where neither were greater than nor less than the other in eternity past to becoming a God UNDER and SUBJECT TO Almighty God the Father. I mean God is WISER than man right!

I shared those two things with you, because verses can be MADE to say things that they are NOT TRULY saying when they are correctly interpreted in the light of the WHOLE word of God. Those who teach that doctrine of the trinity admit that it is not clearly taught in scripture, but rather it is IMPLIED. Well any cam IMPLY most any verse to say what they want it to IMPLY.

Let us now read the entire CONTEXT of these verse in question in John chapter 6.

John 6:32-38 and 62.


        “Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, You seek me, NOT because you saw the miracles, BUT because you did EAT of the LOAVES, and were filled

         27  Labor (or WORK) not for the meat which perishes, but (rather labor or WORK) for that meat which endures unto everlasting life, which the Son of MAN shall give unto you: for HIM (the Son of MAN) has God the Father sealed. 

         28.  Then said they unto him, What shall we DO, that we might work the WORKS OF God

         29.  Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS the WORK OF God, that you BELIEVE on him whom he has sent. 

         30.  They said therefore unto him, What SIGN show you then, that we may see, and believe you? what do you work? 

         31.  Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He (Moses) gave them BREADFROM HEAVEN to EAT. 

         32.  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you NOT that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the TRUE BREAD from heaven. (Jesus taught in PARABLES. Jesus is not a LITERALLY loaf of BREAD that came down from heaven. Bread or leaven of bread was used by Jesus to refer to FALSE doctrine or false teaching of the Pharisees. So unleavened bread refers to the TRUE doctrine or the TRUE TEACHING that God gives FROM HEAVEN.)

         33. For the BREAD of God (or the TRUE TEACHING OF God) is HE which comes down from heaven, and gives LIFE unto the world. (The BREAD of God is the TEACHING of God which came down from heaven. In other words, Gods WORDS are LIFE to those, who find them and health to all their flesh as well. Proverbs 4. And God's words are SPIRIT and LIFE as we shall see in a moment in John 6:63, So the HE that comes down for heaven is NOT the SON OF God, but rather the TRUE TEACHING of God is what came down from heaven and given to the Son of MAN to TEACH.)

         34. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this BREAD (thinking that Jesus was speaking of real literal BREAD come down from heaven like the MANNA that fell from the heaven in the days of Moses that there father's did EAT.).

         35. And Jesus said unto them, I AM the BREAD of LIFE: he that comes to me shall never hunger; and he that believes on me shall never thirst. (The Jews searched the WORD of God for eternal LIFE and Jesus told them and us that the scriptures TAUGHT of him. Jesus taught only the WORDS that Almighty God the Father gave him to speak. Basically God REVEALED the scriptures to Jesus and then Jesus taught his disciple what God had shown him to teach. In other words, Jesus is saying that HE is the FULFILLMENT of the WORD of God, which came down from heaven, meaning that the WORDS of God recorded in the Old Testament is what came down from heaven to the prophets of old by the Holy Spirit and the angels speaking to them God's WORDS or TEACHINGS or BREAD that brings LIFE to those who RECEIVE the TEACHING of God come down from heaven. Jesus is saying that he is the FULFILLMENT of those PROPHESIES of a savior.)

         36. But I said unto you, That you also have seen me, and believe not.

         37. All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out.

         38. For I (the SPOKEN WORD of God, the BREAD or the TEACHINGS of God come to LIFE or FULFILLED in your ears to teach you WORDS that shall bring you ETERNAL LIFE) came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (In other words, the LOGOS, the word, the SAYING of God was made to become FLESH, the SON of MAN, fulfilling the written PROPHECIES of the coming Messiah, the ANOINTED chosen one of God. The Son of MAN was FULFILLMENT of that word of God come down from heaven standing before those Jews to TEACH not only them, but to teach us as well the words of God that will bring to us ETERNAL LIFE to WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on the words Jesus spoke that it was him who the scripture spoke. And believe on Jesus is obeying his words. So all thee verses are teaching us the the flesh profits nothing, but the WORDS Jesus spoke a LIFE to those who find them. It was the TEACHING of God that is what came down from heaven and not the SON OF God who came down from heaven.)

         39.  And this is the Father's will which has SENT (or COMMISSIONED) me, that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 

         40.  And this is the will of him that SENT (or COMMISSIONED) me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 

         41.  The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the BREAD which came down from heaven.(These Jews finally understood that the TRUE BREAD come down from heaven was the TRUE TEACHING of God, but they misunderstood the words of Jesus thing that Jesus was saying that he HIMSELF came down from heaven, because he kept saying they must believe on HIM.
So the murmured and said among themselves.) 

         42.  And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? HOW is it then that he said, I came down from heaven

         43.  Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 

         44.  No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 

         45.  It is written in the PROPHETS, And they shall be all TAUGHT of God. Every man therefore that has heard, and has LEARNED of the Father, comes unto me. 

         46.  Not that any MAN has seen the Father, save he (the Son of MAN) which is OF God, he (the Son of MAN) has seen the Father. (Jesus is saying that up until the time of the Son of MAN no man has UNDERSTOOD the words of God, the scriptures, that they were shadows pointing to Jesus the NEW covenant of God. Jesus was the transition from the OLD covenant to the NEW covenant. Jesus was the SIGN given by God of his NEW covenant. And God revealed this TRUTH to the Son of MAN.)

         47.  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVES on ME had everlasting life

         48.  I am THAT bread of life. (or I am that TRUE TEACHING of God that must be EATEN or BELIEVED in order to receive ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come)

         49.  Your fathers did EAT MANNA (or that natural bread to eat to sustain the physical life of your father's) in the wilderness, and are dead. 

         50.  THIS is the BREAD which comes down from heaven, that a man may EAT thereof, and NOT die. 

         51.  I am the LIVING BREAD which came down from heaven: if any man EAT of THIS BREAD, he shall live for ever: and the BREAD that I WILL give is my FLESH, which I will give for the life of the world. 

         52.  The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his FLESH to EAT

         53.  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except you EAT the FLESH of the Son of man, AND drink his BLOOD, you have NO life in you

         54.  Whoso EATS my FLESH, and DRINKS my BLOOD, has eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day

         55.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 

         56.  He that eats my FLESH, and drinks my BLOOD, dwells in me, and I in him. 

         57.  As the living Father has sent me (or COMMISSIONED me), and I LIVE BY the Father: so he that EATS ME, even he shall live by me. 

         58.  THIS IS is that BREAD which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that EATS of THIS BREAD shall live for ever.

(Now no one has actually eaten the literal FLESH of Jesus nor drank his BLOOD. Again Jesus is teaching them in PARABLES. We understand this parable now AFTER the CROSS. We understand that the TRUE BREAD from heaven is the TRUE TEACHING of the NEW COVENANT that the WORK of God we MUST do is to BELIEVE on the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Son of Man. We must BELIEVE that Jesus came from God and that the Son of MAN was the CHRIST, the ANOINTED OF God, who suffered and died for our sins and not only for our sins, but also for the sins of the whole world, so that whosoever BELIEVES on Jesus as the
SON OF the living God might have eternal life in the world to come.) 

         59.  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 

         60.  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 

         61.  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

(Many of his disciples left off following Jesus after this teaching. They did not understand that Jesus would GIVE HIMSELF to suffer and die on the cross for their sins. They did not understand that the EATING of his FLESH and the DRINKING of his BLOOD being the TRUE BREAD come down from heaven was NOT his literal flesh and blood that must be eaten, but rather it was the TRUE BREAD come down from heaven. The manna was a type of shadow pointing to the TRUE BREAD coming down from heaven. This TRUE BREAD that MUST be EATEN is the FLESH of Jesus the Son of MAN. Now no FLESH and BLOOD can enter into heaven so clearly flesh and blood did NOT come down from heaven. The meaning of this entire passage of scripture is that it was the TRUE TEACHING of God that came down from heaven that God gave to the Son of Man THROUGH the teaching of the Holy Spirit. God TAUGHT the Son of MAN that the scriptures spoke of HIM as being his ELECT his chosen servant whom was prophesied to be his ANOINTED servant that would be given as a COVENANT for the people. And ONLY those who believe the TEACHING of this NEW COVENANT will receive eternal life in the world to come.)

                            62. What and if you shall see the Son of MAN ascend up where he was BEFORE? (again Jesus knew that the scriptures spoke of HIM. Jesus knew that he came OUT from God and was given MORTAL life by God. Jesus knew that the ORIGIN of his existence was from God speaking words of life out from Yahweh's mouth. Jesus knew that God FORMED him in the WOMB of his mother by SPEAKING if living words to the virgin Mary. 

             And this may be the intended meaning of this verse. But I myself see that NO Son of MAN came down from heaven. So to ME, I see these words of Jesus meaning that the Son of MAN will ascend UP into heaven right AFTER God raises him from the dead to GIVEN the Son of MAN his reward of ETERNAL LIFE. And then, the now the highly exalted ETERNAL DIVINE SON OF God will descend down from heaven as the Son of MAN, but also as God's eternal Son to show himself ALIVE forever more that he is God's SON by many infallible proofs. Then AFTER his disciples TRULY BELIEVE beyond all doubt that he was truly the SON OF God He says will you believe if you SEE the Son of MAN ascend up into heaven where I was BEFORE.

            Also, this verse can mean that Jesus is simply speaking of his yet coming RESURRECTION from the dead. The Greek word translated as "ascend up" means stepping up, as in, being raised up from the dead.The context of the following verses speak of the resurrection. Jesus knew the Scriptures spoke of him.)

               63. It is the spirit that quickens (or makes ALIVE or GIVES LIFE); the FLESH profits nothing (Jesus is saying, I am not talking about eating my LITERAL FLESH. EATING my LITERALLY FLESH would NOT profit you ANYTHING. Bu RATHER it is): the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, THEY (what I TEACH you, the WORDS I SPEAK to you)  are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

         64. BUT there are some of you that believe NOT(teaching us that WITHOUT FAITH being MIXED with the WORDS of God they will NOT profit us to bring us anything. The WORDS of God must be BELIEVED in order to bring LIFE to the one BELIEVING his WORDS or the TEACHINGS of Jesus). For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. (Jesus knew from the SCRIPTURES that his God and Father revealed to him. Jesus understood the WORDS of God speaking of the seed of Ishmael, who would not believe the teachings of Jesus, but they would indeed believe another coming after him in his own name, which was fulfilled in Muhammad bring the TEACHING of ISLAM coming from God's enemy Satan, the Devil. And Jesus knew from the teaching of God that one would betray him. In other words, not all of Israel is Israel. There were two seed lines, and ONLY the seed of Isaac was given the promise. This does not mean that Muslims cannot be saved. The NEW COVENANT is to WHOSOEVER BELIEVES that Jesus is the CHRIST, is the SON OF the living God, of ANY of mankind in all the world, shall be saved.)

       65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (This ONLY applied up to the cross. AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on the SON OF the living God as being the CHRIST shall be saved. These verses do NOT teach pre destination that Jesus only died for SOME people and the REST of mankind were created just for the sole purpose of being destroyed in the lake of fire. Please read the studyEXAMINING CALVINISM IN THE LIGHT OF GOD"S WORD!)

             66. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.(Jesus lost most all of his followers who did not have the patience to hear the WHOLE matter. They were TOO QUICK to judge what Jesus was teaching them without hearing the WHOLE matter.)

         67. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will you ALSO go away?

         68. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the WORDS (or the TEACHINGS or the BREAD) of eternal life.

         69. And we BELIEVE and are sure that YOU are THAT Christ, the Son of the living God.”


          

             WHAT Christ? The CHRIST who is TAUGHT in the SCRIPTURES, the WORDS or God, the TEACHING of God, the BREAD of God come down from heaven that Jesus, the Son of MAN is the FULFILLMENT of the BREAD come down from heaven. This is what this entire passage of scripture is teaching us and NOT that Jesus PREEXISTED up in heaven as a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH Almighty by God AT his SIDE.

          Let us take a closer look at John 6:62, which SEEMS to be saying that Jesus came down form heaven became flesh at his virgin birth and then the Son of God would ascend back up into heaven where he was before he came down from heaven to become the Son of MAN.


             John 6:62


         “What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


             We have already see from the CONTEXT that the BREAD come DOWN from heaven was the FULFILLMENT of the WORDS or prophecy come DOWN from God, which SOME did NOT believe. So Jesus is simply saying WILL you BELIEVE if you SEE the Son of MAN ASCEND up into heaven where he was BEFORE the Son of MAN descend from heaven? Remember that Jesus knew that the scriptures spoke of HIM.

             Please read Proverbs 30:4 from the New Century Version.


         “Who has GONE UP to heaven and COME BACK DOWN? Who can hold the wind in his hand? Who can gather up the waters in his coat? Who has set in place the ends of the earth? What is his name OR his SON'S name? Tell me, if you know!

        5. Every word of God is true. He guards those who come to him for safety.

        6. Do not ADD to HIS words, or he will correct you and prove you are a liar.”


             Please notice that the "WHEN" that Jesus, the Son of MAN, CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN was only AFTER Jesus, the Son of MAN had FIRST ASCENDED UP into heaven after he was raised from the dead to be given IMMORTAL life from his God and Father. And then only AFTER Jesus had ascended UP or GONE UP into heaven is WHEN Jesus came BACK DOWN from heaven to show himself ALIVE by many infallible proofs.

             So then, to use these verses to try and prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father IN heaven as a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH the God by his side is to ADD to the word of God and going beyond what the whole word of God truly teaches us. And Proverbs 30:4-6 warns us that if one ADD to HIS words he or she will be found to be a liar or false teacher.

             The truth of the matter God ALONE has always possessed self existing immortal life IN HIMSELF and no one GAVE the one true living God immortality.

             Please read 1 Timothy 6:13-16, which plainly states that there was only ONE in heaven, who has always possessed IMMORTALITY in himself. And that ONE is the INVISIBLE God, which the Bible itself ALWAYS identifies as being the FATHER. And clearly Jesus is NOT the FATHER.

1 Timothy 6:13-16.


I give you charge in the sight of God, who quickens all things, AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14. That you keep this commandment (or that you keep this teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15. Which in his times (speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate (the ONLY Almighty Sovereign God), the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16. WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach unto; WHOM NO MAN has seen, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”


Clearly the scriptures teach us that Jesus came to show us the FATHER.

Clearly men have SEEN Jesus and will see him at his second coming.

So then, the WHO being spoke of in this verse that Jesus came to SHOW us, is the FATHER who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY.


Now, if so be, that one INTERPRETS that Jesus preexisted as God's eternal divine Son in eternity past WITH the God AT his SIDE, and that the Son of God was GIVEN immortality in eternity past, as some claim, then that would make TWO eternal divine beings in eternity past, which CONTRADICTS 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that we just read where ONLY the one true invisible God, whom no man has seen nor can see has immortality.

       The Bible ITSELF, through the word or LOGOS of PROPHECY, teaches us that the, WHEN that Jesus BECAME God's ETERNAL Son never to see corruption or death ever again, was on the very DAY that God raised up the Son of MAN from the dead and GAVE the Son of MAN eternal life.

Please read John 5:22-27


For the Father judges NO man, but has COMMITTED ALL judgment unto the Son:

23. That (or so that) all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.

24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26. FOR (or BECAUSE or the REASON of WHY the Son of MAN will be able to give eternal life is BECAUSE) AS the Father HAS life in himself (as in, the eternal invisible Spirit has ALWAYS possessed immortality in himself)SO HAS HE GIVEN TO the Son (of MAN) TO HAVE life in himself;

27. AND (or and also for the same reason that the Father gave the Son of man eternal life) has given him authority to execute judgment ALSO, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”


Now some try and argue that the Son was given eternal life in eternity past, but this is NOT what PROPHECY teaches us as we have just seen in Acts 13:33-35 where THIS DAY that Jesus was BEGOTTEN was the very day that Jesus was RESURRECTED from the dead NEVER TO DIE again. So then, in order for the MORTAL Son of man to never died AGAIN he must have been GIVEN immortality AFTER he was resurrected from the dead.

If you remember the conversation that Jesus had with Mary Magdalene right after Jesus, the Son of MAN was raised from the dead he specifically told Mary Magdalene NOT to TOUCH him. And he gave her and us the REASON of WHY he did NOT want Mary Magdalene to TOUCH him.

Let us read John 20:17,18/


Jesus said unto her, TOUCH ME NOTFOR (or BECAUSE) I am NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”


Then later that same evening Jesus appeared to his disciples. Please read John 20:19,20.



Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.

20. And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.”


Now we are not actually told here in the gospel of John that Jesus told his disciples to touch him, but in Luke we clearly see that Jesus is telling them to look at his hands and his feet saying HANDLE ME or TOUCH ME to prove to yourself that I am NOT a SPIRIT for a SPIRIT has NOT FLESH and BONES as you see me have.

Please read Luke 24:36-44.


And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38. And he said unto them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: HANDLE ME, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

40. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet.

41. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have you here any meat?

42. And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43. And he took it, and did eat before them.

44. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.”


So then, from the time that Jesus spoke to Mary Magdalene saying TOUCH me NOT, because I have NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father to the time that he appeared the SAME day in the evening to his disciples saying HANDLE ME, or TOUCH me and see for yourselves that I am ALIVE for ever more, Jesus ASCENDED to his God and Father to be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE and ALL POWER and descended back down from heaven to show himself ALIVE forever more never to die again my many infallible proofs for forty days before he ascended back into heaven a second time.

Another proof of this is Matthew 28:18.


And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.”


Jesus spoke these words AFTER his resurrection. So then, Jesus was GIVEN TWO things when he ascended into heaven right after saying to Mary Magdalene do NOT TOUCH me, because I have NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father. 

And then we are clearly and plainly told in John 5:22-27 what two things were given to the Son of MAN after he was resurrected and ascended to his Father. And we are told the REASON of WHY Jesus was given these TWO things, which is BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN. NOT because Jesus was Almighty God himself. And not even because Jesus was the Son of God. But BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN.

Please read John 5:22-27 again.


For the Father judges NO man, but has COMMITTED ALL judgment unto the Son:

23. That (or so that) all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.

24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26. FOR (or BECAUSE or the REASON of WHY the Son of MAN will be able to give eternal life is BECAUSE) AS the Father HAS life in himself (as in, the eternal invisible Spirit has ALWAYS possessed immortality in himself)SO HAS HE GIVEN TO the Son (of MAN) TO HAVE life in himself;

27. AND (or and also for the same reason that the Father gave the Son of man eternal life) has given him authority to execute judgment ALSO, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”


Please read the study "WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?" for all the verses that clearly teach us that God's eternal Son was begotten of God AT the resurrection of the Son of MAN and God GAVE to the Son to HAVE LIFE in himself EVEN AS the Father HAS life in himself.

Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!


JOHN 1:1-3


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” 


JOHN 3:13


And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


JOHN 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 


JOHN 3:31


He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.


JOHN 6:32 


         “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven


JOHN 6:33 


 For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”


JOHN 6:38


For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”


JOHN 6:42 

And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?


JOHN 6:50 

 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


JOHN 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


JOHN 6:58

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.


JOHN 6:62 


What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


JOHN 8:14


Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”


JOHN 8:23 


And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”


JOHN 8:24


I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.


JOHN 8:42,43

        “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 
        43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.



JOHN 8:58


Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”


JOHN 16:28 


I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


JOHN 17:5


And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”


JOHN 17:8 


For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.



JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)


Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”


ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)


For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”


1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)


And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”


1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)


The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”


2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)


For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”


GALATIANS 4:4


But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”


EPHESIANS 3:9-11


And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”


EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)


Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”


COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)


Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”


HEBREWS 1:2


Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”


Hebrews 2:16,17


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”


Hebrews 5:8


Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”


HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)


Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7


PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8


Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”


1 John 1:1,2


“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

          2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”


REVELATION 3:14 


And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”


MICAH 5:2


But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


GENESIS 1:26



And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”


PROVERBS 8:22  (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)



The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”



Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immauel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.