DOES JOHN 3:17
TEACH US THAT JESUS
WAS SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN
INTO THE WORLD?
To say this another way, does John 3:17 prove that Jesus preexisted up in heaven as the eternal divine Son of God, who was WITH God AT his SIDE as a SEPARATE person of the ONE TRUE God in all eternity past? And then God SENT his already preexisting SON down from heaven INTO the earth to become the Son of Man, but yet REMAIN fully DIVINE in nature?
“For God SENT not his Son INTO the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
In other words, do ALL the verses that say that the SON OF God was SENT INTO the world mean without fail that Jesus as God's already preexisting Son was sent down form heaven and INTO the world. Or cane all these verses that SEEM to be saying that Jesus was sent down form heaven INTO the world be INTERPRETED is other ways?
Now some of you, my readers and seekers of the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God already know that there are some Christians who have INTERPRETED these verses like John 3:17 as God SENDING his SON down out of heaven down to the earth to BECOME a human being, but YET REMAIN fully Almighty God and thus be a GOD/MAN having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one HUMAN.
But in truth when these verses are interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God, then it can be clearly seen that ALL of these verses mean that God sent, as in, God COMMISSIONED his Son Jesus to go OUT INTO the world to show us the FATHER and the kingdom of God.
So then, any verse like John 3:17 that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus HIMSELF as God's already preexisting SON was LITERALLY sent down out of heaven down to the earth to then manifest himself to BECOME the Son of MAN simply means that the LOGOS came down out of heaven down to the earth where the LOGOS was the SPOKEN SAYING, or the SPOKEN word of God and NOT a LITERAL SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH Almighty God before the foundation of the world.
Please read John 16:27-30 where Jesus HIMSELF teaches us that he CAME OUT FROM the Father, just as John 1:1-14 teaches us where the LOGOS was WITHIN THE God and what God was the LOGOS BECAME. Meaning what God desires WITHIN himself to be or to come in to existence, then that IMAGE within God is brought forth out from God as his LOGOS, his SAYING, or his SPOKEN word COMING OUT FROM WITHIN God to become what ever God himself SPOKE into being.
And the LOGOS BECAME flesh, which is translated as, “And the Word was MADE FLESH...” in the King James Version of the Bible along with many other translations of the Bible.
But the LITERAL word for word translation translated the Greek word LOGOS as the SAYING of God. So John 1:14 in the literal reads. “And the SAYING flesh became...”
Now this is not someone's own personal INTERPRETATION, but rather it is what the Greek word LOGOS means. Logos mean SPEECH. The logos of God is God word, as in, God's SPOKEN word, his SAYING. The Greek word logos is found 207 times in the New Testament and in 200 of those 207 time the Greek word logos is ALWAYS translated as word with a lower case or small "w" and means SPEECH or words coming out of God's mouth, which where written down by men of old as PROPHECY of what God himself SAID.
But the other 7 of those times that the word logos is found the translators decided to translated logos as Word with a capital "W" to show that in THESE seven times only the word logos was NOT God's SPOKEN word, but the logos was a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE being God's SON.
But is this what the Bible ITSELF teaches us?
Must John 3:17 mean without fail as the ONLY possible meaning it could have that Jesus came down from out of heaven INTO the earth?
Let us see what the Bible ITSELF has to say about being sent INTO the world. Please read John 17:14-19.
Plain and simple WE were NOT sent down form heaven, but rather we are sent OUT INTO the world to preach the gospel the SAME way the God sent his Son Jesus OUT into the world to preach the kingdom of God is at hand.
The Greek word translated as sent also mean COMMISSION. The word commission means that God EMPOWERED Jesus, the Son of MAN to accomplish the task that his God and Father sent him OUT into the world to accomplish. The truth of the matter is that God did not send Jesus into the world UNTIL the baptism of Jesus, which is WHEN God ANOINTED the Son of MAN with the Holy Spirit who came to DWELL IN the Son of MAN to EMPOWER him to do the works his God and Father SENT him INTO the world to do.
So then, the logos of God was NOT a separate divine eternal person who was with God at his SIDE as God's SON, but rather the logos was God's SPEECH, his SAYING that was WITHIN the God.
Thus it was not God's SON, who became the Son of MAN, but rather it was Almighty God HIMSELF, who literally BECOMES what ever Almighty God DESIRES WITHIN HIMSELF to become, WHEN God speaks forth that IMAGE of desire that God has WITHIN himself. Please read the studies “JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!” and “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?” for all the scriptures that clearly show you that the LOGOS, the Word that was with God was NOT a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH God at his side and those in the main stream denomination churches wrongly teach.
“For the Father himself loves you, BECAUSE you have loved me, and (BECAUSE you) have BELIEVED that I CAME OUT FROM God.
28. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world (So once again HOW did Jesus come INTO the world? That is correct, it was the LOGOS, the SAYING of God, that was sent down from heaven to be SPOKEN by the prophets of Old first and then by the Angel Gabriel, which was then BELIEVED by Mary to be planted as God's SEED in the WOMB of Mary to be conceived in her womb to be born of a woman as the Son of MAN, who would become great after his anointing to be sent into the world to preach the kingdom of God is at hand and then suffer and die for the sins of the world being the LAMB of God that was SLAIN from BEFORE the foundation of the world.): again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29. His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speak you plainly, and speak no proverb.
30. Now are we sure that you know all things, and need not that any man should ask you: BY THIS we believe that you came forth from God.”
WHO recorded the RECORD of Jesus? Yes the EYEWITNESSES, who HEARD directly from the mouth of Jesus his TEACHINGS were the ones who RECORDED what Jesus himself TAUGHT them. This is HOW the disciples KNEW that Jesus did NOT have and earthly father who conceived him. So if was BY THIS the teachings of Jesus that they KNEW that Jesus CAME FORTH FROM God, who would be called the Son of the Highest.
Now, IF SO BE, that the disciple of Jesus UNDERSTOOD Jesus to mean that he literally came down out of heaven down to the earth, the the Gospel account of Luke chapter 1 has it all WRONG, because Luke teaches us that the angel Gabriel SPOKE the word of God to the virgin Mary and when she said be it done according to your word the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and God's SPOKEN word was conceived in her WOMB.
I personally do not believe that Luke has it wrong, but rather I believe that those, who INTERPRET the the logos of God in those SEVEN times ONLY as being God's eternal begotten Son, who THEY CLAIM was begotten in eternity past, who have it WRONG.
You see dear child of God it was actually AFTER the resurrection of Jesus that his God and Father said unto Jesus, THIS DAY have I begotten you meaning that Jesus BECAME the ETERNAL SON OF God on a CERTAIN DAY or point in time clearly teaching us that Jesus had a BEGINNING. Please read the study “WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?”.
But for now please read Acts 13:28-34 along with Hebrews 1:3-5.
“And though they found no cause of death in him,(Jesus was an INNOCENT MAN, who was crucified unjustly. Therefore giving God the right to REDEEM mankind back from his ENEMY, that old dragon called Satan and the Devil. This was God PLAN from before the foundation of the world that he kept SECRET from his enemy for had they had KNOWN God's PLAN they would have never crucified the Lord of glory that thus sealed their judgment to be cast it to the lake of fire when God's PLAN is completed to yet bring more SONS and DAUGHTERS into his family where Jesus was the FIRST BORN from the dead, the BEGINNING of God's NEW CREATION, being the FIRSTBORN among many brethren, to inherit the NEW heavens and the NEW earth in the ages to come after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in the world to come. Please read the study “UNDERSTANDING WHY? For all the verses that clearly show what I just said.) yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
29. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher.
30. But God raised him from the dead:
31. And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33. God has FULFILLED the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY day have I begotten you.
34. And AS CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”
So then, it was the DAY that God raised the Son of MAN from the dead and GAVE his ETERNAL LIFE to have in himself even as Almighty God has always had life in himself that Jesus ACTUALLY BECAME the SON OF Almighty God even though he was called the SON OF God throughout the New Testament, which is again a RECORD and not a play by play minute by minute of what Jesus did and taught.
In other words, it should not be dogmatically taught that every thing in the gospels is in the exact sequence as they took place. Most things are, but in places John and the other writers added their COMMENTARY or explaining the teachings of Jesus.
To say this another way we know that Jesus was NOT GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE before his crucifixion, but yet it is RECORDED early in the gospel of John OUT of the SEQUENCE of the actual events that took place.
Also one must remember that a DAY with God is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years and a DAY so in truth the THIS DAY actually began on the DAY that Jesus was CONCEIVED in the WOMB of the virgin Mary by the SPOKEN LOGOS of God and then was completed on the THIS DAY when Jesus was raised from the dead ascended into heaven and was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE by his God and Father. Then after Jesus descended back down to heaven to show himself alive fro forty days he ascended up into heaven to be seated at the right hand of his God and Father to await his SECOND coming to rule and reign for 1000 years on the earth. Another passage of scripture that clearly teaches us that Almighty God BECAME a Father and Jesus BECAME his SON just as Hebrews 1:3-5 teaches us.
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being MADE so much better than the angels (You see dear child of God the LOGOS was made to become a little LOWER that the angels at first to be like ALL humans, and it was only AFTER Jesus became obedient to do all the will of his God and father that Almighty God HIGHLY EXACTED him to rule over the angels), as he has by inheritance OBTAINED a more excellent name than they.
5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BEto me a Son?”
Now just plain common sense should teach you that, IF SO BE, that Jesus was FULLY the DIVINE eternal God and the Son of MAN at the SAME time, having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one human as the doctrine of the deity of Jesus dogmatically teaches, then Jesus would have ALREADY been BETTER that the angels. In fact according to the doctrine of the deity of Jesus he never was made a little LOWER than the angels. Can you not see dear child of God that the doctrine of the deity of Jesus DURING the days of his FLESH is someones OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION that contradicts many other parts of God's word?
So when you dear child of God interpret those QUESTIONABLE verses I implore you to interpret them in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God. And when you do it becomes crystal clear that the ONLY way that Jesus PREEXISTED was AS Almighty God HIMSELF, who literally became the Son of MAN in the SAME way that Almighty God HIMSELF literally becomes ALL that he himself alone by himself CREATES, which is BY SPEAKING FORTH FROM OUT WITHIN HIMSELF the IMAGE that he has painted WITHIN himself to BE brought forth into existence where it never existed before EXCEPT WITHIN the God to one day create. This is what Jesus said that he CAME OUT FROM God. Please read the study “WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE MEAN?”, “JOHN 1:1---THE WORD WAS GOD!”, and “HOW DID JESUS BECOME JESUS?”.
Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
“He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.”
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven”
“ For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?”
“ This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.”
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.”
“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”
“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”
“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.”
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”
“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.”
JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)
“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”
ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”
1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)
“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
2 CORINTHIANS 8:9 (scroll down to VERSE #2.)
“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”
“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”
EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)
“Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”
COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”
HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)
“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
1 John 1:1,2
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”
“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”
“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
PROVERBS 8:22 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
RETURN TO HOMEPAGE
Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.