SPELLING EDITED V-43. John 16:28 JESUS CAME FORTH FROM GOD! DOES JOHN 16:28 MEAN THAT JESUS WAS SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN FROM GOD?
Does John 16:28 teach us that Jesus pre-existed up in heaven as God's eternal divine Son, who was WITH God AT the God's SIDE in eternity past? And then the SON OF God came forth from God by being sent down from heaven as an already preexisting second person, who was with God at his side. Let us read this verse out of context first and then we will read it in context and compare it with other verses to learn its true meaning.
John 16:28.
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
The question is NOT whether or not Jesus pre-existed. I believe all Christians agree that Jesus pre-existed in SOME form. So the real question is HOW Jesus pre-existed and HOW the Son CAME FORTH FROM the Father? Now, John 16:28 is not the only verse of Scripture that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus came down from heaven and was sent by God INTO the world. For example, there is 1 John 4:9, John 3:17, and any other verses of Scripture that say Jesus was SENT by God and that Jesus was sent INTO the world. We will cover these verses as well in this study in God's word. As I have said many times, any verse or verses when viewed ALONE and APART from the REST of God's word may SEEM to say or be made to say something that they are NOT truly saying when they are correctly interpreted in the light of the whole word of God. So then, any interpretation one makes or concludes that a verse means, then that interpretation must AGREE with the rest of God's word without having any contradictions with any other part of God's word. In other words, does the INTERPRETATION that Jesus literally PRE-EXISTED UP in heaven WITH the Father by His side as a SEPARATE divine ETERNAL Spirit being CONTRADICT any other verse of Scripture? Yes, it does. Please read 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that clearly teach us that there is but ONE Spirit and that the ONE Spirit ALONE ONLY has always been IMMORTAL or an ETERNAL SPIRIT who is INVISIBLE to the mortal human eye.
1 Timothy 6:13-16.
“I give you charge in the sight of God, who quickens all things, AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14. That you keep this commandment (Or that you keep this teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15. Which in his times (Speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, (The ONLY Almighty Sovereign God) the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16. WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach unto; WHOM NO MAN has seen, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”
Clearly, the Scriptures teach us that Jesus came to show us the FATHER. Clearly, men have SEEN Jesus and will see him at his second coming. So then, the WHO being spoken of in this verse that Jesus came to SHOW us, is the FATHER who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY. Now, if so be, that one INTERPRETS that Jesus pre-existed as God's eternal divine Son in the eternity past who was WITH the only Sovereign Potentate God AT His SIDE, then one also must believe that the Son of God was GIVEN immortality in the eternity past as well. For you see, how could the Son of God live from all eternity past if he was not ALSO immortal? Now we know from John 5:26,27 that the Son was GIVEN eternal life so the question becomes WHEN did the Father GIVE immortality TO His Son? And if you say in the eternity past then that would make TWO eternal divine beings in eternity past which CONTRADICTS 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that we just read where ONLY the one true invisible God whom no man has seen nor can see has immortality. Therefore, the true meaning of this verse that AGREES with the WHOLE word of Almighty God WITHOUT any contradictions to any other part of God's word is that Jesus CAME FORTH FROM the Father as God's SPOKEN word of prophecy. In other words, Jesus came forth from the Father, as the SAYING of God coming OUT FROM WITHIN the only true God to bring FORTH His Son into existence to be conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary to be born of a woman as the Scriptures teach us through PROPHECIES. For unto to us a child is BORN and THEN this child when he has grown, then that human ANOINTED SON of MAN shall be GIVEN. Please read Isaiah 9:6,7 which all Christians know is a PROPHECY speaking of God’s future Messiah that we know to be Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6,7.
“For unto us a CHILD is BORN, (THEN) unto us a SON is GIVEN: and (THEN, at the SECOND coming of Jesus) the government shall be upon his shoulder: and (THEN, during the world to come) his NAME (Or his TITLE) shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (So then, at the second coming of Jesus the SON OF the living God WILL BE called as these names during the Millennial reign of Jesus. The title “everlasting Father” LITERALLY means “the Father OF everlasting LIFE” Jesus was GIVEN all authority and power to give eternal life to whomsoever he chooses AFTER the cross and his being highly exalted BY his God and Father THE ALMIGHTY) 7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts WILL perform this.”
So then again, HOW was this CHILD BORN? The BIBLE ITSELF teaches us that God SENT FORTH His LOGOS, his SPOKEN word, his SPOKEN saying down out of heaven BY his Angel Gabriel who then SPOKE God's LOGOS to the Virgin Mary. And when the Virgin Mary believed and received God's SPOKEN desire and said be it done unto me according to your WORD referring to God's word spoken to her by the Angel Gabriel. And then unto us was a CHILD BORN who would be called the SON OF the highest and who WOULD be GIVEN to lay down his life on the cross for the sins of the world. Now, let us take a closer look at John 3:17 to learn its true meaning of God SENT his Son INTO the world when it is interpreted in the light of the whole word of God.
John 3:17.
“For God SENT not His Son INTO the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
What does John 3:17 and all the verses of Scripture that say Jesus was SENT by God INTO the world mean? In other words, ALL the verses that say that the SON OF God was SENT INTO the world are INTERPRETED by all Trinitarian Christians as God SENDING His pre-existing eternal divine SON down out of heaven down to the earth to BECOME a human being, but YET REMAIN fully Almighty God. And thus, they wrongly conclude Jesus to be a GOD/MAN having TWO natures at the SAME time during the days of his FLESH, one DIVINE nature, and one HUMAN nature. But in truth, in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God, ALL these verses of Scripture simply mean that God sent or COMMISSIONED His human Son Jesus to go OUT INTO the world to show us the FATHER and preach the kingdom of God. And any verse which SEEMS to be saying that Jesus HIMSELF LITERALLY came down out of heaven down to the earth to then BECOME the Son of MAN simply means that the LOGOS came down out of heaven down to the earth where the LOGOS was the SPOKEN SAYING, or the SPOKEN word of God and NOT a LITERAL SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH Almighty God before the foundation of the world. Please read John 16:27-30 where Jesus HIMSELF teaches us that he CAME OUT FROM the Father, just as John 1:1-14 teaches us where the LOGOS was WITHING THE God and what God was the LOGOS BECAME. Meaning what God desired WITHIN Himself to be or to come into existence was then spoken as God's LOGOS, His SAYING, or His SPOKEN word COMING OUT FROM WITHIN God. And then the logos became whatever God Himself SPOKE into being. It was the LOGOS that BECAME flesh, as in, it was the spoken word of PROPHECY that was made flesh. Or literally, one could interpret that Almighty God HIMSELF BECOMES whatever Almighty God DESIRES WITHIN HIMSELF to become WHEN God speaks forth that IMAGE or desire that God has WITHIN Himself. Please read the studies “DID GOD CREATE ALL THINGS OUT OF NOTHING?” and “JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!” for all the Scriptures that clearly show you that the LOGOS, the Word that was with God in the beginning, was NOT a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH God at His side as the Trinitarian Christians in the mainstream denomination churches wrongly teach.
John 16:27-30.
“For the Father, Himself loves you, BECAUSE you have loved me, and have BELIEVED that I CAME OUT FROM God 28. I CAME FORTH FROM the Father, and am come INTO the world: (So once again, HOW did Jesus come OUT from God to come INTO the world? That is correct, John 1:14 says the Word was MADE FLESH. And we know from the gospel of Luke that the Word was the SPOKEN word of PROPHECY that came down from heaven by the angel Gabriel who SPOKE God’s word of PROPHECY to the Virgin Mary. So then, it was the LOGOS, the SAYING of God which CAME OUT FROM the MOUTH of God that was sent down from heaven INTO the world to be SPOKEN by the prophets of Old first and then by the Angel Gabriel. And after the spoken LOGOS was BELIEVED by Mary the Word was made FLESH. The Word of prophecy OUT FROM God was planted as God's SEED in the WOMB of Mary to be conceived in her womb to be born of a woman as the Son of MAN who would suffer and die for the sins of the world being the LAMB of God that was SLAIN from BEFORE the foundation of the world) again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. 29. His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speak you plainly, and speak no proverb. 30. Now are we sure that you know all things, and need not that any man should ask you: BY THIS we believe that you came forth from God.”
WHO recorded the RECORD of Jesus? Yes, the EYEWITNESSES of Jesus who HEARD directly from the mouth of Jesus his TEACHINGS were the ones that RECORDED what Jesus himself TAUGHT to them. This is HOW the disciples KNEW that Jesus did NOT have an earthly father who conceived him. So it was BY THIS, speaking of the clear teachings of Jesus without proverbs, that they KNEW that Jesus CAME FORTH OUT FROM God who would be called the Son of the Highest. You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, it was actually AFTER the resurrection of Jesus that his God and Father said unto Jesus, THIS DAY have I begotten you. And that means that Jesus BECAME the ETERNAL SON OF God on a CERTAIN DAY or point in time clearly teaching us that Jesus had a BEGINNING and he was GIVEN the divine nature of immortality AFTER the cross. Please read Acts 13:28-34 along with Hebrews chapters 1 and 2. For you see, the very eyewitnesses of Jesus saw Jesus as FIRST being made a little LOWER than the angel, and then after the cross, Jesus was CROWNED with glory.
Acts 13:28-34.
“And though they found no cause of death in him, (Jesus was an INNOCENT MAN who was crucified unjustly, therefore, giving God the right to REDEEM mankind back from His ENEMY that old dragon called Satan and the Devil. This was God’s PLAN of salvation from before the foundation of the world that He kept SECRET from His enemy for had they KNOWN God's PLAN they would have never crucified the Lord of glory. By Satan influencing men to crucify the Son of MAN, Jesus, Satan thus sealed his judgment along with the fallen angels to be cast into the lake of fire when God's PLAN is completed. For you see, God’s plan of salvation ALSO included the bringing in of more SONS and DAUGHTERS into his family where Jesus was the FIRSTBORN from the dead. In other words, Jesus is the BEGINNING of God's NEW CREATION to inherit the NEW heavens and the NEW earth in the ages to come after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in the world to come. Please read the study “UNDERSTANDING WHY?” And to fully understand the BIG picture of God’s plan of salvation as to why God even created us in the first place then also read all the studies under the heading >>>WHY ARE WE HERE?-IS GOD AT WAR?<<<) yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher. 30. But God raised him from the dead: 31. And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. 32. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33. God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you. 34. And AS CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”
So then, it was the DAY that God raised the Son of MAN from the dead and GAVE His human Son, Jesus, ETERNAL LIFE to be having in himself even as Almighty God has always had life in Himself. So then, the very day that Jesus was resurrected from the DEAD was the very day that Jesus ACTUALLY BECAME the ETERNAL SON OF Almighty God even though he was called the SON OF God throughout the New Testament. Keep in mind that the New Testament is a RECORD and not a recording of a play-by-play minute-by-minute of what Jesus did and taught. The New Testament was written down AFTER all the events had occurred as opposed to writing down everything that happened as they were in the process of happening. In other words, it should not be dogmatically taught that everything in the gospels is in the exact sequence as it took place. Most things are, but in places, John and the other writers added their COMMENTARY or explaining the teachings of Jesus. To say this another way, we know that Jesus was NOT GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE before his crucifixion, but yet, it is RECORDED early in the gospel of John OUT of the SEQUENCE of the actual events that took place. Also, one must remember that a DAY with God is as 1000 years and 1000 years as a DAY. So one could interpret THIS DAY as actually beginning on the DAY that Jesus was CONCEIVED in the WOMB of the Virgin Mary by the SPOKEN LOGOS of God. And then the day was completed on the DAY when Jesus was raised from the dead, ascended into heaven, and was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE by his God and Father. Then after Jesus descended back down from heaven to show himself alive for forty days he ascended up into heaven to be seated at the right hand of his God and Father to await his SECOND coming to rule and reign for 1000 years on the earth. And during that day of the 1000 year reign of Jesus is WHEN the angels will worship him. Another passage of Scripture that clearly teaches us that Almighty God BECAME a Father and Jesus BECAME His SON is Hebrews 1:3-5.
Hebrews 1:3-5.
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4. Being MADE so much better than the angels (You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, the LOGOS was FIRST made to become a little LOWER than the angels to be like ALL humans are, and it was only AFTER Jesus became obedient to do all the will of his God and Father, that Almighty God, HIGHLY EXACTED him to rule over the angels) as he has by inheritance OBTAINED a more excellent name than they. 5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a Son?”
So when you interpret those QUESTIONABLE verses in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God then it becomes crystal clear that the ONLY way that Jesus PRE-EXISTED was AS the LOGOS that was WITHIN Almighty God HIMSELF as God’s PLAN of salvation. I believe that Almighty God HIMSELF literally becomes ALL that He Himself alone and by Himself CREATES. In other words, God creates all things OUT FROM Himself as opposed to God creating everything out of NOTHING. God created everything that exists BY SPEAKING FORTH FROM OUT WITHIN HIMSELF the IMAGE that He has painted WITHIN Himself to BE brought forth into existence where it never existed before. That is to say, it never existed before EXCEPT WITHIN the only true God to one day create that desire within Himself. This is why Jesus said that he CAME OUT FROM God. Please read the study “WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE TRULY MEAN?” and “JOHN 1:1---THE WORD WAS GOD!” Let us take a look at some other verses of Scripture where the phrase “INTO the world” is used because if you have been dogmatically taught that the ONLY way this phrase can be interpreted is to come FROM down from Heaven INTO the world, then it can be hard for some Christians to see the TRUE meaning of “INTO the world”, as being OUT into the world.
Please read 2 John 1:1.
“For many deceivers are ENTERED INTO the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Please read John 1:9.
“That was the true Light, which lights every MAN that comes INTO the world.”
Now, no Christian would ever interpret these two verses as coming down from heaven INTO the world because they know that deceivers and every other person came down from out of heaven to be sent down into the world.
So then, let us now read John 10:28.
“Say you of HIM, whom the Father has sanctified, AND SENT INTO the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?”
This verse clearly teaches us as to the WHEN that Jesus was SENT INTO the world. Jesus was SANCTIFIED FIRST and THEN the Son of MAN was sent OUT into the world AFTER his baptism when God ANOINTED Jesus. The word sanctified means to make holy, but it also means to consecrated and to set apart for a service or a task. And again, the Greek word translated as SENT in the past tense is translated in the LITERAL translation as COMMISSIONS in the present tense. So God sets apart or consecrates and sent Jesus into the world at the same time. To ME, this definitely speaks of the baptism of Jesus when the Father ANOINTS the Son of MAN to go out into the world to accomplish the task his God and Father gave him to do. The word COMMISSION means to give POWER and authority to one to accomplish a task that they are given to do. Jesus was EMPOWERED by the Holy Spirit to overcome sin and do the mighty works men saw him do. Now, if one “interprets” John 10:28 to mean that God sent down His already pre-existing eternal divine Son from heaven into the world then they must answer the question, Why would an already divine God the Son need to be SANCTIFIED BY God before he was sent down from heaven? We are called sons of God and that does not demand that we were sent down from heaven into the world. So what part of this verse causes Trinitarian Christians to dogmatically insist that Jesus was sent down from heaven? Can you not see that the Greek word translated as SENT also means to COMMISSION and to dispatch? Simply replace the word sent with the words “commissioned to be dispatched” and read John 10:28 again.
A paraphrased version of John 10:28.
“Say you of HIM, whom the Father has sanctified, AND COMMISSIONED to be dispatched INTO the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?”
Now read John 17:14-20.
“I have given them your word; and the world has hated them, because THEY are NOT OF the world, EVEN AS I am NOT OF the world. 15. I pray not that you should take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil. 16. THEY are NOT OF the world, EVEN AS I am NOT OF the world. 17. Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth. (Remember that God’s Son was SANCTIFIED first BEFORE being SENT INTO the world. And Jesus is COMPARING his own being SENT INTO the world with us who believe being SENT INTO the world as being the SAME) 18. AS YOU have SENT ME INTO the world, EVEN SO have I ALSO SENT THEM INTO the world. 19. And for their sake I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20. Neither do I pray for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;”
So in no way should anyone dogmatically demand that any of these verses must, without fail, mean that the SON OF God was an already pre-existing separate divine eternal person who was sent down from heaven INTO the earth as the only way these verses can be interpreted. The sound Biblical evidence based upon the WHOLE word of God clearly teaches us that is was the SPOKEN word or the spoken SAYING of God that CAME FORTH OUT FROM God's MOUTH that was sent down from heaven as the SPOKEN word of prophecy which was brought to pass to be FULFILLED. So to ME, John 1:14 literally means that the SAYING of God was MADE flesh. Plain and simple, Jesus was a human being miraculously conceived in the WOMB of the VIRGIN Mary by the SPOKEN word of God being prophesied to be BORN as the Son of MAN whom God would SANCTIFY and ANOINT first and THEN send out INTO the world to accomplish the task God gave him to do. Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PRE-EXIST. We all agree that Jesus pre-existed in some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather, in what form as to HOW Jesus pre-existed. Personally, I do NOT believe that Jesus pre-existed in ANY form in the ETERNITY past. But rather, I believe that God formed the plan of salvation AFTER Lucifer was cast out of the first and second heaven at the FOUNDATION of the world just before God created Adam some 6,000 years ago. In other words, the foundation of the WORLD does NOT mean the eternity past, but rather, it means when God “recreated” or restored the earth to once again be habitable after the earth became void and empty by the WAR waged by Lucifer, aka, Satan and the fallen angels. Please read all the studies under the heading >>>WHY ARE WE HEAR?-IS GOD AT WAR?<<<
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ, Brother Mark.
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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED! To me, the best way to know the ONE true God in ONE person is to know who Jesus TRULY IS according to the WHOLE word of Almighty God so please read ALL the studies under the heading >>>WHO IS JESUS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?<<< and you will see that the Bible itself teaches us that Jesus was CREATED by his God and Father. And if you have any questions related to the correct meaning of certain verses of Scripture on this subject of who Jesus is please read all the studies under the two headings >>>A LIST OF STUDIES ON THE TRINITY!<<< and >>>VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PRE-EXISTED!<<< These two headings have ALL the studies that I have on who Jesus truly is according to what the Bible itself teaches us in simplicity. I compiled these three headings to make it easy for my readers to send just one, two, or three links to those you desire to help understand what the Bible itself teaches concerning who Jesus is in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the whole word of Almighty God.
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