DOES JOHN 16:28
MEAN THAT JESUS WAS SENT
DOWN FROM HEAVEN FROM GOD?
Does John 16:28 teach us that Jesus preexisted up in heaven as God's eternal divine Son, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE in eternity past? And then the SON OF God came forth from God by being sent down from heaven as an already preexisting second person, who was with God at his side. Let us read this verse out of context first and then we will read it is context and compare it with other verse to learn it's true meaning.
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
The question is NOT whether or not Jesus preexisted. I believe all Christians agree that Jesus preexisted in SOME form. So the real question is HOW Jesus CAME FORTH FROM the Father?
Now John 16:28 is not the only verse that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus came down from heaven and was sent by God INTO the world. For example there is 1 John 4:9, John 3:17 and any other verse that says Jesus was SENT by God of Jesus was sent INTO the world. We will cover these verses as well in this study in God's word.
As I have said many times any verse or verses when viewed ALONE and APART from the REST of God's word may SEEM to say or be made to say something that they are NOT truly saying when they are correctly interpreted in the light of the whole word of God.
So any interpretation one makes or concludes a verse means, then that interpretation must AGREE with the rest of God's word without having any contradictions with any other part of God's word. In other words, does the INTERPRETATION that Jesus PREEXISTED UP in heaven WITH the Father by his side as a SEPARATE divine ETERNAL Spirit being CONTRADICT any other verse?
Yes it does. Please read 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that clearly teach us that there is but ONE Spirit and that the ONE Spirit ALONE ONLY has always been IMMORTAL or ETERNAL SPIRIT.
1 Timothy 6:13-16.
“I give you charge in the sight of God, who quickens all things, AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14. That you keep this commandment (or that you keep this teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15. Which in his times (speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate (the ONLY Almighty Sovereign God), the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16. WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach unto; WHOM NO MAN has seen, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”
Clearly the scriptures teach us that Jesus came to show us the FATHER.
Clearly men have SEEN Jesus and will see him at his second coming.
So then, the WHO being spoke of in this verse that Jesus came to SHOW us, is the FATHER who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY.
Now, if so be, that one INTERPRETS that Jesus preexisted as God's eternal divine Son in eternity past WITH the God AT his SIDE, and that the Son of God was GIVEN immortality in eternity past, as some claim, then that would make TWO eternal divine beings in eternity past, which CONTRADICTS 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that we just read where ONLY the one true invisible God, whom no man has seen nor can see has immortality.
Therefore the true meaning of this verse that AGREES with the WHOLE word of Almighty God WITHOUT any contradictions to any other part of God's word is that Jesus CAME FORTH FROM the Father as God's SPOKEN word or SAYING coming OUT FROM WITHIN the God to bring FORTH his Son into existence to be conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary to be born of a woman as the scriptures teach us. For unto to us a child is BORN and THEN this child when he has grown a SON shall be GIVEN.
Please read Isaiah 9:6,7.
“For unto us a CHILD is BORN, (THEN) unto us a
7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts WILL perform this.”
So then again, HOW was this CHILD BORN? The BIBLE ITSELF teaches us that God SENT FORTH his LOGOS, his SPOKEN word, his SPOKEN saying down out of heaven BY his Angel Gabriel who then SPOKE God's LOGOS to the virgin Mary who then believed and received God's SPOKEN desire and said be it done unto me according to your WORD referring to God's word spoken to her by the Angel Gabriel. And then unto us was a CHILD BORN who would be called the SON OF the highest and who WOULD be GIVEN to lay down his life on the cross for the sins of the world. Now let us take a closer look at John 3:17 to learn it's true meaning when it is interpreted in the light of the whole word of God.
“For God SENT not his Son INTO the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
What does John 3:17 and all the verses that say Jesus was SENT by God INTO the world mean. In other words, ALL the verses that say that the SON OF God was SENT INTO the world are INTERPRETED by some Christians as God SENDING his SON down out of heaven down to the earth to BECOME a human being, but YET REMAIN fully Almighty God and thus be a GOD/MAN having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one HUMAN.
But in truth in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God ALL these verses mean that God sent or COMMISSIONED his Son Jesus to go OUT INTO the world to show us the FATHER and the kingdom of God. And any verse which SEEMS to be saying that Jesus HIMSELF LITERALLY came down out of heaven down to the earth to then BECOME the Son of MAN simply means that the LOGOS came down out of heaven down to the earth where the LOGOS was the SPOKEN SAYING, or the SPOKEN word of God and NOT a LITERAL SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH Almighty God before the foundation of the world.
Please read John 16:27-30 where Jesus HIMSELF teaches us that he CAME OUT FROM the Father, just as John 1:1-14 teaches us where the LOGOS was WITHING THE God and what God was the LOGOS BECAME. Meaning what God desire WITHING himself the be or come in to existence his LOGOS, his SAYING, or his SPOKEN word COMING OUT FROM WITHIN God became what ever God himself SPOKE into being. And the LOGOS BECAME flesh.
Or literally Almighty God HIMSELF BECOMES what ever Almighty God DESIRES WITHIN HIMSELF to become WHEN God speaks forth that IMAGE of desire God has WITHIN himself. Please read the study “JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!” for all the scriptures that clearly show you that the LOGOS, the Word that was with God was NOT a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH God at his side and those in the main stream denomination churches wrongly teach.
“For the Father himself loves you, BECAUSE you have loved me, and have BELIEVED that I CAME OUT FROM God.
28. I CAME FORTH FROM the Father, and am come INTO the world (So once again HOW did Jesus come INTO the world? That is correct, it was the LOGOS, the SAYING of God, which CAME OUT FROM the MOUTH of God and sent down from heaven INTO the world to be SPOKEN by the prophets of Old first and then by the Angel Gabriel, which was then BELIEVED by Mary to be planted as God's SEED in the WOMB of Mary to be conceived in her womb to be born of a woman as the Son of MAN who would suffer and die for the sins of the world being the LAMB of God that was SLAIN from BEFORE the foundation of the world.): again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29. His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speak you plainly, and speak no proverb. 30. Now are we sure that you know all things, and need not that any man should ask you: BY THIS we believe that you came forth from God.”
WHO recorded the RECORD of Jesus? Yes the EYEWITNESS who HEARD directly from the mouth of Jesus his TEACHINGS who the RECORDED what Jesus himself TAUGHT them. This is HOW the disciples KNEW that Jesus did NOT have and earthly father who conceived him. So if was BY THIS the teachings of Jesus that they KNEW that Jesus CAME FORTH FROM God who would be called the Son of the Highest.
You see dear child of God it was actually AFTER the resurrection of Jesus that his God and Father said unto Jesus, THIS DAY have I begotten you meaning that Jesus BECAME the SON OF God on a CERTAIN DAY or point in time clearly teaching us that Jesus had a BEGINNING. Please read Acts 13:28-34 along with Hebrews
“And though they found no cause of death in him,(Jesus was an INNOCENT MAN who was crucified unjustly therefore giving God the right to REDEEM mankind back from his ENEMY that old dragon called Satan and the Devil. This was God PLAN from before the foundation of the world that he kept SECRET from his enemy for had they had KNOWN God's PLAN they would have never crucified the Lord of glory that thus sealed their judgment to be cast it to the lake of fire when God's PLAN is completed to yet bring more SONS and DAUGHTERS into his family where Jesus was the FIRST BORN from the dead the BEGINNING of God's NEW CREATION to inherit the NEW heavens and the NEW earth in the ages to come after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in the world to come. Please read the study “UNDERSTANDING WHY? For all the verses that clearly show what I just said.) yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
29. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher.
30. But God raised him from the dead:
31. And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33. God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY day have I begotten you.
34. And AS CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”
So then, it was the DAY that God raised the Son of MAN from the dead and GAVE his ETERNAL LIFE to have in himself even as Almighty God has always had life in himself that Jesus ACTUALLY BECAME the SON OF Almighty God even though he was called the SON OF God throughout the New Testament, which is again a RECORD and not a play by play minute by minute of what Jesus did and taught.
In other words, it should not be dogmatically taught that every thing in the gospels is in the exact sequence as they took place. Most things are, but in places John and the other writers added their COMMENTARY or explaining the teachings of Jesus.
To say this another way we know that Jesus was NOT GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE before his crucifixion, but yet it is RECORDED early in the gospel of John OUT of the SEQUENCE of the actual events that took place.
Also one must remember that a DAY with God is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years and a DAY so in truth the THIS DAY actually began on the DAY that Jesus was CONCEIVED in the WOMB of the virgin Mary by the SPOKEN LOGOS of God and then was completed on the THIS DAY when Jesus was raised from the dead ascended into heaven and was GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE by his God and Father. Then after Jesus descended back down to heaven to show himself alive fro forty days he ascended up into heaven to be seated at the right hand of his God and Father to await his SECOND coming to rule and reign for 1000 years on the earth. Another passage of scripture that clearly teaches us that Almighty God BECAME a Father and Jesus BECAME his SON is Hebrews 1:3-5 which says,
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being MADE so much better than the angels (You see dear child of God the LOGOS was made to become a little LOWER that the angels at first to be like ALL humans, and it was only AFTER Jesus became obedient to do all the will of his God and father that Almighty God HIGHLY EXACTED him to rule over the angels), as he has by inheritance OBTAINED a more excellent name than they.
5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BEto me a Son?”
So when you interpret those QUESTIONABLE verses in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God it becomes crystal clear that the ONLY way that Jesus PREEXISTED was AS Almighty God HIMSELF who literally became the Son of MAN in the SAME way that Almighty God HIMSELF literally becomes ALL that he himself alone by himself CREATES, which is BY SPEAKING FORTH FROM OUT WITHIN HIMSELF the IMAGE that he has painted WITHIN himself to BE brought forth into existence where it never existed before EXCEPT WITHIN the God to one day create. This is what Jesus said the he CAME OUT FROM God. Please read the study “WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE MEAN?” and “JOHN 1:1---THE WORD WAS GOD!”
Let us take a look at some other verse where the phrase "INTO the world" is used, because if you have been dogmatically taught that the ONLY way this phrase can be interpreted if to come FROM Heaven INTO the world.
Please read 2 John 1:1
“For many deceivers are ENTERED INTO the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Please read John 1:9.
“That was the true Light, which lights every MAN that comes INTO the world.”
Now let us read John 10:36.
“Say you of HIM, whom the Father has sanctified, AND SENT INTO the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?”
This verse clearly teaches us the WHEN Jesus was SENT INTO the world. Jesus was SANCTIFIED FIRST and THEN the Son of MAN was sent OUT into the world AFTER his baptism, when God ANOINTED Jesus. The word sanctified means to make holy, but it also means to consecrated and to set apart for a service or a task.
And again the Greek word translated as SENT in the past tense is translated in the LITERAL translation as COMMISSIONS in the present tense. So God sets apart or consecrates and send Jesus into the world at the same time. To ME this definitely speaks of the baptism of Jesus when the Father ANOINTS the Son of MAN to go out into the world to accomplish the task his God and Father gave him to do. The word COMMISSION means to give POWER and authority to one to accomplish a task that they are give to do. Jesus was EMPOWERED by the Holy Spirit to overcome sin and do the mighty works men saw him do.
Now read John 17:14-20.
So in no way should anyone dogmatically demand that any of these verses must without fail mean that the SON OF God as an already preexisting separate person was sent down from heaven INTO the earth as the only way these verse can be interpreted.
The sound Biblical eveidence based upon the WHOLE word of God clearly teaches us that the SPOKE word of SAYING of God was sent down from heaven and the SPOKEN word became FLESH.
Plain and simple Jesus was a human being miraculously conceived in the WOMB of the VIRGIN Mary by the SPOKEN word of God to be BORN as the Son of MAN who God would SANCTIFY or ANOINT first and THEN send out INTO the world to accomplish the task God gave him to do.
Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
“He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.”
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven”
“ For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?”
“ This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.”
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.”
“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”
“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”
“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.”
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”
“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.”
JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)
“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”
ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”
1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)
“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
2 CORINTHIANS 8:9 (scroll down to VERSE #2.)
“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”
“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”
EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)
“Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”
COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”
HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)
“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
1 John 1:1,2
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”
“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”
“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
PROVERBS 8:22 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
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Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.