WHEN DID JESUS DESCEND FROM HEAVEN ?
JESUS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!
Now the purpose of this study is to clarify a few things where I have been misunderstood by some of my readers in the past. It was after talking some of my readers who wrote to me asking about some other verses that I did not cover much in my studies that I found that we were actually saying pretty much the same thing, but we were using different terms and we were understanding the meanings of these terms in different ways.
In other words, if or when you read the other studies that I wrote on who is Jesus you may find that I lean more to the HUMANITY of Jesus than I do to the truth that Jesus did indeed come from God or that Jesus was sent from God. Now to ME, this truth of Jesus being sent FROM God is quite obvious so I really did not see the need to focus on this point that Jesus came from God, but it appears that when I say that Jesus was a MAN just like you and me that some Christians seem to get really offended at this THINKING that I am saying that Jesus did NOT come from God.
But I assure you that this is not the case. The reason that I emphasize the humanity of Jesus so much is so that believers will see and understand that the WORKS Jesus did he did NOT do because he was fully Almighty God in the flesh, and so that the can understand that Jesus was NOT not empowered to do these mighty works because he was the SON of God, but rather Jesus was empowered to do these mighty miraculous works BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN who was anointed BY Almighty God with the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, who empowered this human Jesus to do these miraculous works BY the Holy Spirit DWELLING within him, which is the very same Holy Spirit that dwells IN us as believers in Jesus Christ as our savior. Jesus himself said the WORKS that I do YOU shall do ALSO and greater works than these shall YOU do speaking to each and very believer. This is main reason of why I emphasize the humanity of Jesus more than his miraculous unique birth as the only begotten Son of God.
I also emphasis the humanity of Jesus to expose the error of the false doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus because if I myself struggled with these doctrines to the point of almost leaving my faith in God, then I know that there are others out there struggling as well. I have heard people say that they would believe in God IF it were NOT for the teaching that God is three separate persons but yet one God. So then, to ME, since this false doctrine is KEEPING AWAY people from coming to God it should be exposed as NOT being a SOUND BIBLICAL teaching. But this is not the only reason that the truth should be taught over the traditions of men.
The third reason that I teach against the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus is that Muslims show the same errors in these doctrines that I myself am exposing and some weaker Christian are being converted to ISLAM because the main stream church refuses to take a closer look at these teachings that have been HIGHLY controversial throughout the church from nearly the very beginning. Now to ME, if you just consider WHO killed WHO in the dark ages of the church, then you should KNOW that the Catholic church was in ERROR and teaching doctrines of the devil, because they were the ones KILLING their fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord just because they DISAGREED with the teachings of the Catholic church on the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.
So please understand that I am NOT trying to bring Jesus down to the level of man. The Bible itself clearly teaches us that Jesus humbled himself to be made into the likeness of man. This was God's PLAN from before he ever created mankind upon the earth. I only want to help the weak become strong in their faith to overcome the enemy that is trying to devour them. So with that being said let us get back to the study at hand.
Please notice that I have entitled this study with TWO titles and the reason for this is that I want to focus on TWO different but related aspects of Jesus coming from God. One aspect we will cover in this study is how Jesus came into the earth? And the other aspect of Jesus that we will cover is when did Jesus actually descend from the Father DOWN to the earth? So it is the HOW and the WHEN Jesus descended from heaven that we will be taking an in depth look at in this study of God's word.
Also please notice that while I have both of these titles in the menu bar on my website at AmatterOfTruth.com they are one and the same study. I did this because, people search the same thing by typing in different questions and I thought that these two questions would cover most every way that a person could phrase these questions of God becoming a man and yet remain fully God at the same time as some Christians teach in the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus where Jesus is said to be God the Son and is said to be equal in every way with God the Father where neither is greater than or less than the other.
And then the doctrine of the deity of Jesus states that Jesus is the one true and only Almighty God in the flesh, but yet fully man at the same time. Now to ME these two doctrines actually contradict each other, because that doctrine of the trinity states that Almighty God the Father is NOT the SON, but the doctrine of the deity of Jesus states that Almighty God IS the SON by saying that Jesus is the one truth and only ALMIGHTY God which the word of truth the Holy Bible clearly teaches is the FATHER.Therefore if you are going to believe the Bible AND these two doctrines then one acknowledge that that Almighty God the FATHER is Jesus seeing that the Bible itself IDENTIFIES Almighty God as BEING the FATHER. Nowhere does the Bible itself clearly IDENTIFY Jesus as being THE ALMIGHTY God himself nor as Jesus being the FATHER. I explain Revelation 1:8 which SEEMS to be saying that Jesus IS the Almighty in the study called "REVELATION 1:8-I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA", but for now let us continue this study is God's word to learn HOW and WHEN Jesus descended from heaven.
Now in my many other studies on this subject of who is Jesus I cover all the verses from both sides of this highly controversial topic so I will only touch on a few in this study. My main focus in this study is to closely examine the UNIQUE birth of Jesus and that Jesus DESCENDED from heaven DOWN to the earth, and that Jesus is NOT like any other human being who has ever been born.
Again I just assumed that most every Christian knew this already so I did not see a need to focus on this truth that is clearly taught in the Bible.
However it has now come to my attention that some of my fellow brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ do indeed disagree as to HOW Jesus was actually BORN and also disagree as to WHEN Jesus actually DESCENDED or CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
So then, let us begin this study in God's word by first taking a closer look that the VIRGIN birth of Jesus by reading the gospel of John 3:16,17 from several different translations. Again I always use the King James Version of the Bible unless I otherwise give the name of the translation that I am using.
Here is John 3:16,17 from the King James Version.
“For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God SENT not his Son INTO the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
Now this verse can be INTERPRETED in a couple of ways. The main stream church interprets this verse to mean that Almighty God sent his SON Jesus down from heaven to come INTO the world. But I myself see this verse meaning that Almighty God sent his Son Jesus OUT INTO the world to preach the gospel.
Here is John 3:16.17 from the Complete Jewish Bible.
“For God so loved the world that he GAVE his ONLY and UNIQUE Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.
Here is John 3:16,17 from Young's Literal Translation.
“For God did so love the world, that His Son -- the ONLT BEGOTTEN -- He GAVE, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
17. For God did not SEND His Son TO the world (this is the only translation that I personally have found that does not translate the Greek word “eis” to the English word "INTO" like all the other translations including the Greek to English interlinear Bible) that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;”
The first this that I want to point out to you is that the Greek word that is translated as “ONLY BEGOTTEN” is a compound word that comes from two Greek words that teach us that the birth of Jesus being born of a VIRGIN was a UNIQUE birth and the ONLY one of its kind ever. In this respect Jesus is obviously UNIQUE from every other human being. So I must apologize to my readers for not clarifying this in my other studies when I said Jesus is just like you and me. Obviously none of us were SENT to die on the cross for the sins of the world so I did not see the need to clarify that point either. There should already be no doubt to most every Christian the Jesus is UNIQUELY different from every other human being. This should already be clear so the focus in my other studies is to point out the EXTREMES that theologians have over emphasized throughout the history of the church by showing the HUMANITY of Jesus that the Bible has much to say on this subject of Jesus being the Son of MAN.
Now some commentaries and theologians again will go beyond the word of truth and say that Jesus being BORN as a human being does not mean that Jesus had a beginning and therefore Jesus has always preexisted with the Father as his Son in heaven from all eternity past. And then Almighty God the Father sent his SON Jesus DOWN INTO the earth or world.
However, this is NOT what the WHOLE word of God teaches us. The clear, plain, and simple meanings of these two Greek words are that Jesus is the ONE and ONLY ONE who has ever been BORN from Almighty God the Father WITHOUT ever having an EARTHLY father like ALL other human beings. In other words, every other human being has been BORN of an EARTHLY or a HUMAN father where the human father KNOWS a woman or has intercourse with his human wife and a child is conceived in the womb of his wife to be born as a HUMAN BEING. After the child was conceived it the womb and the pregnancy is come to full term and the human baby is brought forth to be BORN into the world, then this is called a BEGINNING for that child where this child had NEVER EXISTED before except in the mind and plan of the parent to have a child. That is to say every child ever BORN has a BEGINNING of being brought into EXISTENCE where they never existed before.
So then, WHY to some dogmatically demand that when it comes to Jesus that his BIRTH is NOT a BEGINNING? Just let me ask you a very simple question. Has Jesus ALWAYS been a HUMAN BEING from all eternity past? Exactly! The answer is an obvious NO! Therefore Jesus, the HUMAN Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING where the HUMAN Jesus had never existed before except in the mind and PLAN of Almighty God to one day bring forth a SON, and then after God's Son was BORN his Son was then given the name Jesus, which means the salvation of YHWH or YEHWEH. Then it was only AFTER Jesus was baptized by John that Almighty God SENT his Son Jesus INTO the world, as in, meaning God sent his Son OUT into the world to save mankind by dying of the cross and preaching the gospel.
Now this is just one of the many differences between Jesus and the rest of mankind, Once again Jesus was NOT conceived by a HUMAN father like every other human being, but rather Jesus was conceived BY the spoken WORD of Almighty God, who then BECAME the Father of his SON only AFTER Jesus was actually conceived and born of a human woman to do the will of his God and Father by becoming obedient unto dead on the cross. Jesus was then raised from the dead and given immortal life BY his God and Father THE ALMIGHTY.
We will take a closer look at WHEN Almighty God actually BECAME the Father of his Son Jesus, but first let us read the gospel of Luke chapter 1 verses 24 through 35 where we learn how Jesus was actually conceived of Almighty God and then brought into the world, being BORN of a women.
30. And the angel SAID unto her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. (or in other words, Gabriel was SENT from Almighty God down to the Earth to declare a thus says the Lord WORD from Almighty God which is)
32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest (and NOT that Jesus should be called The ALMIGHTY himself, but rather Jesus shall be called the SON OF the Almighty): and the Lord God (or the Lord God the ALMIGHTY) shall GIVE unto him the throne of his father David:
34. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man (or HOW can I conceive a child in my womb seeing that I have never had intercourse with a man)?
35. And the angel answered and SAID unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore (or for this reason) ALSO that holy thing which shall be BORN of you shall be called the SON of God. (here is one verse that shows us that the spoken Word was not called the SON of God UNTIL the spoken Word BECAME flesh and dwelt among men.)
36. And, behold, your cousin Elisabeth, she has also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
38. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to your WORD (or Mary said Here I am Lord I am willing to bare the child as your angel told me. Be it done unto me according to your WORD). And the angel departed from her.”
Now this does NOT mean that Almighty God literally came down from heaven and had intercourse with Mary in order for her to CONCEIVE in her womb a human child without descent of a human father. But rather Almighty God SENT his WORD into the world by way of his angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE the WORD of Almighty God to the virgin Mary and then when Mary AGREED with God's spoken word sent by God by way of the messenger Gabriel, then the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and the power of God's spoken word mixed with faith then produced the seed of God's WORD to be CONCEIVED as a child in the womb of Mary and nine months later this HUMAN child was brought forth into existence where the HUMAN CHILD, who was then given the name Jesus, had never existed before except in the mind and PLAN of Almighty God from before the foundation of the world.
My point is this, Almighty God uses his SPOKEN WORD to bring forth everything that he creates or brings into existence, but this does NOT mean that a tree, which is created BY the spoken WORD of Almighty God, is FULLY Almighty God and FULLY a tree at the same time. This is New Age theology where everything is God including us. This is not what it means when the spoken WORD of God BECOMES what God has PLANNED in his mind for his thoughts to be brought forth into existence. But rather it means that the WORD of Almighty God BECAME a tree when God spoke his WORD to bring into existence a tree that God visualized in his mind to be that had never existed before.
John 1:14 clearly teaches us the the WORD of Almighty God BECAME flesh or was MADE to become flesh. And again this does not dogmatically demand that this human child born of the virgin Mary to be FULLY Almighty God in the flesh and fully man at the same time. You see, in Luke 1:37 right before Mary agrees with the spoken word of God sent to her by the angel Gabriel we are told that NOTHING is impossible with God.
“37. For with God nothing shall be impossible.”
So why then, is it so hard for some to believe that it is indeed possible for the spoken WORD of Almighty God to BECOME a human being, as in, becoming FULLY a HUMAN being without ANY of the divine nature of the word remaining in Jesus when the spoken WORD of God BECAME flesh? Why do some Christians cling so tightly to the traditions of men and teachings of the Catholic church that Almighty God himself literally and FULLY actually transformed his entire divine being into a human being in such a way that this particular human being was fully 100% Almighty God AND fully 100% a human being at the same time. I mean if this were true and 100% of Almighty God was transformed into a HUMAN being then God would no longer be God in heaven. God would be a human being on the earth only so to WHOM did Jesus pray saying our Father IN HEAVEN?
Can you not see, my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ that the WORD of Almighty God BECAME a TREE when God spoke forth what he THOUGHT in his mind to BE and his thoughts were brought forth in the form of his spoken WORD and then his spoken WORD BECAME what God THOUGHT or PLANNED to BE. So then, the WORD that was WITH God and AGREED expressly with what God was PLANNING in his mind to do when it was spoken by the angel Gabriel to Mary and Mary agreed with the WORD being SPOKEN to her saying be it done ACCORDING to your WORD, then the WORD at that moment in time BECAME flesh and dwelt among mankind, which is what Almighty God PLANNED his WORD to BECOME. This will become clearer as more scriptures are shown to you that clearly teach us that Jesus was FULLY a MAN, a human being, who suffered in all points like us.
Now to ME, this traditional church teaching of Jesus being EQUAL in every way with his God and Father the one true and only Almighty God where neither is greater than nor less that the other simply does not agree with the WHOLE word of Almighty God. So for ME, I see that the WORD, the spoken word of Almighty God, that was SENT down to the earth BY Almighty God through or by his angel Gabriel to be SPOKEN to the virgin Mary and then when Mary AGREED, be it done unto me according to your WORD, then the Holy Spirit of Almighty God created LIFE in the womb of Mary and she brought forth a son and called his NAME JESUS, which again means YHWH saves or the salvation of YHWH, which means that Almighty God in the actual one who saves mankind through this man that he has created or has brought into existence who has never existed before the time Jesus was BORN except in the PLAN and MIND of Almighty God before the foundation of the world.
In other words, the HUMAN Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING just like every other creation of Almighty God, who by the way did not actually BECOME the Father of his Son Jesus UNTIL only AFTER Jesus was BORN of a woman, became obedient unto death on the cross, was raised from the dead and then given immortality by his God and Father, the one true and only ALMIGHTY God. Please read Psalm 2:7-9, which is a PROPHECY of Jesus that clearly teaches us that on a certain DAY the Son of God would be BEGOTTEN, which means to be BORN or brought INTO EXISTENCE.
“I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, You are my Son; THIS DAY have I begotten you. (or THIS DAY have I Almighty God brought you into existence AS my Son. This is something that has never been done before. God is doing a NEW thing. For a deeper understand of how Jesus can be God and yet Jesus is NOT the one true and ONLY Almighty God the Father, then please read the study called “OUR GOD IS ONE!”)
Then in Acts 13:29-34 we see this passage of scripture in this second Psalm being quoted in relation to Jesus being RAISED from the dead.
32. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the PROMISE which was made unto the fathers (speaking of the scriptures PROPHESYING of the coming of a Messiah being raised up from AMONG the PEOPLE),
33. God has FULFILLED the same unto us their children, IN THAT he has RAISED UP Jesus again; as it is also WRITTEN in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you (speaking of the certain specific DAY on which Almighty God RAISED his ONLY BEGOTTEN Son Jesus from the dead was the very DAY that Almighty God became a FATHER. Yes, Jesus was BORN of a woman who was CONCEIVED by the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, but Jesus had not yet learned obedience to become obedient unto death on the cross as an atonement for the sins of the world to fulfill all the God had brought him into the world to do).
34. And as CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, NOW NO MORE to return to corruption (in other words, Jesus was GIVEN of his God and Father IMMORTAL LIFE only AFTER God raised him from the dead, because if Jesus were truly FULLY God in the flesh then it would have been impossible for Jesus to DIE seeing that Almighty God ALONE has IMMORTALITY from all eternity past and cannot die other wise God would not be immortal.), he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”
Please read John 5:26,27, which clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father GAVE his Son Jesus IMMORTAL LIFE to have eternal life n himself even as the Father has life in himself. And that Almighty God GAVE his Son AUTHORITY because he was the son of MAN and NOT that he was the Son of God.
“For AS (or in the same way that) the Father HAS life in himself; SO HAS he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;
Now please read Hebrews 1: 5-9 which again teaches us that on the DAY that Jesus was BEGOTTEN FROM THE DEAD was the very DAY that Almighty God literally BECAME the FATHER of the savior of the world.
6. And again, when he brings in the FIRST BEGOTTEN into the world (or in another place it is written that again at the SECOND coming of Jesus when God will AGAIN bring his Son as the FIRST BEGOTTEN from the dead back into the world), he said, And let all the angels of God worship him. (this is WHEN every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess the Jesus is LORD to the GLORY of Almighty God whether willingly or unwillingly)
9. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore (or for this very REASON) God (Almighty God your Father), even YOUR God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”
There are many verses in the Bible that clearly teach us that Almighty God the Father is GREATER than his Son Jesus and is God OVER his Son Jesus whom he himself highly exalted to become a God and share in his glory sitting beside Almighty God on his throne to rule over the kingdom of god for 1000 years. For a deeper understanding of what I just said please read all the related studies that I will list a the end of this study in God's word. Acts 2:36 clearly teaches us that Almighty God has MADE or raised up his Son Jesus to be BOTH Lord and Christ.
In other words, not only did Almighty God bring forth his Son into existence, but he also MADE his Son Jesus be become both Lord and Christ. If you truly are seeking the word of truth, then you will see that every thing that Jesus is or has was GIVEN to him by his God and Father the one true and ONLY Almighty God.
The second thing that I want to point is that most every translation that I have read accurately translates the Greek word “eis” as the English word “INTO”, which the Young's Literal translation has translated to the English word “TO” rather than “INTO” where some have interpreted as meaning that God sent his Son “TO” the world, as in, DOWN to the earth, and thereby some falsely conclude that the phrase “God SENT his Son INTO he world” to mean without fail that God sent his SON FROM HEAVEN DOWN to the earth to be transformed into a human being but yet remain FULLY God, because they want to have as many verses that they can in order to use them to try and support their man made doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.
Now while these doctrines have do SOME truth in them, they are not truly SOUND BIBLICAL teachings as a whole. I will explain what I mean by this as we continue this study in God's word, but first I want to point out to my readers and seekers of the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God that another meaning of the phrase, “God sent his Son “INTO” the world”, is that AFTER Jesus was already born as a human being on the earth that God, THEN sent his Son Jesus OUT INTO the world to teach his people about the one true and only Almighty God the Father. Jesus came to SHOW us the Father. This is what the word “MANIFEST” means. God was MANIFEST in the FLESH. Jesus being FLESH and BLOOD just like you and me MANIFESTED or CLEARLY SHOWED us the one true and ONLY Almighty God the FATHER. Jesus came to MANIFEST to us the FATHER, the one true and only ALMIGHTY God. I mean think about this for a moment. How could Jesus be ALMIGHTY if he had a GOD who was HIS God. The very word ALMIGHTY means that there is NONE other God OVER the MOST HIGHEST God. Jesus is never called the HIGHEST, but rather Jesus is called the SON OF the Highest. So the SIMPLE TRUE meaning of the phrase "God MANIFEST in the FLESH" is that Almighty God the Father was CLEARLY shown to mankind by of through his EXPRESS IMAGE Jesus the SON OF almighty God the Father.
With that being said let us begin this section of this study in God's word by reading Luke 4:15-21, which shortly after Jesus was baptized in water by John and the Holy Spirit of Almighty God descend from heaven and remained upon Jesus who led Jesus into the wilderness where he was tempted by the devil for forty days.
“And Jesus returned (or after Jesus returned from being baptized by John in water and anointed by the holy Spirit of God that empower him to overcame the temptations of the devil Jesus came) in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
18. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has ANOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
21. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture FULFILLED in your ears.”
So then, the true sound Biblical meaning of Jesus being SENT INTO the world actually means that Jesus was lead by the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit to go OUT among the people and preach the kingdom of God.
In other words, the phrase “God SENT his Son INTO the WORLD” does NOT have to be dogmatically demanded to mean that Almighty God sent his Son FROM heaven DOWN to the earth and therefore Jesus must have always preexisted with his Father IN heaven from all eternity past before God SENT his Son INTO the world as some have falsely concluded this phrase to mean without fail so do not every question their authority to INTERPRET scripture as their dogmatic teaching INTIMIDATES the average believer never to question what they are being taught.
Have you yourself every been TAUGHT never to QUESTION what your priest or pastor teaches. I have. But I assure you that this is NOT what God's word teaches us. We are instructed to search the word of God daily in order to find out if what we are being TAUGHT is the TRUTH of the whole word of God. So the only reason that I see that anyone or any group would say not to QUESTION them is that they want to CONTROL you and lord over you for personal gain. So be cautious of churches which teach that they ALONE only have the truth and if you do not belong to their church or denomination, then you cannot be saved. I was taught when I was a child growing up in the Catholic church that if I ever left the Catholic church that I would go straight to hell. Well that is enough said for now on that side journey. Let us get back to the study at hand.
Now some of you may be thinking to yourself, well what about the verses which say that Jesus DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, does this not prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father?
This is a good point and therefore it should not be brushed under the rug, so to speak. So again I apologize for not clarifying these verses and passages of scripture in my other studies.
Now as we take a CLOSER look at these verses please keep in mind that whatever we CONCLUDE these verses or passages of scripture to mean that the conclusion one draws must AGREE with the rest of God's word. In other words, if one dogmatically demands that these verses mean without fail that Jesus must have preexisted with Almighty God from all eternity past as God's SON, then this conclusion or interpretation must AGREE with the rest of God's word. And if it does NOT agree with the WHOLE word of God then it should be rejected and being a FALSE teaching.
So then, let us begin this section by taking a closer look at one of the most widely used verses to try and prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father in heaven, because it plainly states that Jesus came DOWN FROM HEAVEN or DESCEND from heaven down to the earth. Please read John 3:13, which does indeed plainly state that Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. But WHAT does this statement of fact TRULY MEAN in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.
You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, when this verse is kept in the CONTEXT of where it is found you can see that Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus about the Son's yet FUTURE death, resurrection, ascension into heaven to his God and Father and to our God and Father before the Son of man DESCENDED BACK DOWN to the EARTH in order to be seen of his disciples for forty days to show himself ALIVE from the dead in a new flesh and bone immortal body that he received from his God and Father the one true and only Almighty God,when he ASCENDED UP to heaven immediately AFTER his resurrection.
In other words, this verse does NOT dogmatically mean without fail that Jesus descended from heaven at the time in which he was BORN of a woman or more precisely at the time the spoken WORD of god was CONCEIVED in the womb of Mary. But rather this verse is referring to WHEN Jesus ASCENDED UP FIRST into heaven and then he DESCENDED BACK DOWN to the earth for a short time before he ASCENDED UP a second time into heaven to now be IN heaven at the right hand of the Father. Those who teach the false doctrine of soul sleep where the dead are dead and no not one righteous believer has ever ascended into heaven to be present with the Lord after they have died also MISINTERPRET this verse in John 3:13. But in truth no man had ever ascended into heaven BEFORE that TIME in history when Jesus ascended into heaven with the souls of the Old Testament saints. Please read the study called “WHAT AND WHERE IN PARADISE?” for a deeper understanding of why the doctrine of soul sleep is not a sound Biblical teaching, but for now let us continue with this study in God's word.
This phrase “CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN” is used five more times in the bible and in these five times they are referring to Jesus being the bread of life COME DOWN from heaven. All these other five uses of this phrase “CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN” are found in John 6:38-58. Again the CONTEXT teaches us that Jesus was sent from God to do his Father's will, which was to die on the cross in order to BECOME the BREAD of LIFE so that whosoever will eat of this true bread of life shall live and not perish. Jesus said in John 6:51 that he was the bread of life and that this bread of life was his flesh which he would one day very soon lay down for the sins of the world.
Please keep in mind that the gospels and the entire New Testament was written AFTER all these events of Jesus had already taken place. In other words, John was giving his account of what he remembered Jesus doing and teaching. So at times it may SEEM that Jesus CAME DOWN from heaven at his BIRTH.
Also please keep in mind that the term or the word “BREAD” is used in scripture to speak of DOCTRINE or TEACHING. Jesus used the term LEAVEN to refer to the FALSE TEACHINGS of the Sadducees and Pharisees.
Please read Matthew 16:5-12, which teaches us that BREAD can also mean TEACHING. In other words, it was the TEACHING that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to the Father that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
So again, it was the BREAD of LIFE or more precisely it was the TEACHING that Jesus was the ONE whom the scriptures PROPHESIED would be raised up from among the people to be the savior of the world that came down from heaven. You see, in truth Jesus was teaching the Jews of his yet FUTURE death, resurrection, ascension and his COMING DOWN from heaven only after he was going to be drawn up into heaven to be given IMMORTALITY by his God and Father and would be then that Jesus would COME DOWN from heaven BACK to the earth to show that he had conquered death hell and the grave and was ALIVE forever more and to show that he was indeed the SON of Almighty God.
Please read Proverbs 30:4 from the New Century Version.
“Who has GONE UP to heaven and COME BACK DOWN ? Who can hold the wind in his hand? Who can gather up the waters in his coat? Who has set in place the ends of the earth? What is his name or his son's name? Tell me, if you know!
6. Do not add to his words, or he will correct you and prove you are a liar.”
Please notice that the WHEN that Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN was only AFTER Jesus had FIRST ASCENDED UP into heaven after he was raised from the dead to be given IMMORTAL life from his God and Father. And then only AFTER Jesus had ascended UP into heaven is WHEN Jesus came BACK DOWN from heaven to show himself ALIVE by many infallible proofs.
So then, to use these verses to try and prove that Jesus preexisted with the Father IN heaven is to ADD to the word of God and going beyond what the whole word of God truly teaches us.
Now let us address these made made doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus being FULLY 100% ALMIGHTY God in the flesh and fully 100% man at the same time by taking a closer look at Philippians 2:5-11, which teaches us that whatever form or divine nature that the WORD was before the word BECAME flesh was stripped of every advantage of being divine and BECAME of was MADE to be flesh.
Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the New International Version.
Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Complete Jewish Bible.
11. And every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is ADONAI - TO the glory of God the Father.””
Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Darby Translation.
11. and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord TO God [the] Father's GLORY.
The word “SUBSISTING” means to remain or continue in existence in the FORM of God, which is SPIRIT that is invisible that no man as seen nor can see. Jesus came to show us the one true and only Almighty God the Father who is invisible and cannot be seen by man or understood by man. This is what is meant by the words “God was MANIFEST in the FLESH. The word “MANIFEST” means to SHOW CLEARLY and to cause to UNDERSTAND correctly who the one true and only Almighty God is and his true nature.
And the word “RAPINE” means to take by force.
In other words, it never entered into the mind of Jesus, who was given all authority and power to sit at the right hand of Almighty God, to exalt himself to be EQUAL with his God and Father. Jesus himself said that the Father is GREATER than himself. This is what this passage of scripture truly means. But also this passage of scripture has been interpreted to mean that before Jesus ever came into existence Jesus existed with Almighty God in the FORM or the NATURE of God, which is SPIRIT and was known as the Word that was with God in the beginning. Then when God spoke forth his WORD that was with him in the FORM of Almighty God, then the WORD humbled himself and then BECAME a HUMAN BEING leaving behind any and all of it's DIVINE nature so that Jesus could be found in the appearance of a man.
Now some may argue and say well other translations like the Kings James Version says that Jesus did not think it robbery to be EQUAL with God, which some conclude to mean that Paul was saying that Jesus considered himself to be EQUAL with Almighty God the Father and did not consider this to be robbery.
But is this truly what Paul is saying or is this just an INTERPRETATION to force these words of Paul to agree with the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus?
Remember this first rule of interpretation. KEEP the verse in question in the CONTEXT of where it is found.
So then, the CONTEXT teaches us that WE are to have this same MIND of our Lord Jesus Christ, which ACCORDING to those who teach these misleading doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, is that WE are to ALSO consider it not robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God. Is not this what verse 5, the CONTEXT of this verse in question plainly states.
Let this MIND be IN YOU as it was in Jesus Christ? So then, IF one is to dogmatically demand that the mind of Jesus was truly saying that Jesus did not consider it robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God, then WE are to have this very same MIND of Jesus Christ and ALSO think it not robbery to be EQUAL with Almighty God.
Now I personally am not going to demand that I am EQUAL with Almighty God, not now or ever.
The truth of the matter is that the Old English may sound or appear on the surface like Jesus is saying that he that he THOUGHT it NOT ROBBERY to be EQUAL with God, but what Jesus is actually saying is that Jesus thought NOT the idea of robbery to become EQUAL with God. In other words, the THOUGHT of STEALING or the taking by force to become equal with God or even to remotely consider that he was equal with God did not ever even enter the mind of Jesus Christ, but rather the mind of Jesus Christ was to humble himself even to becoming obedient unto death on the cross. And for this very reason of the obedience of Jesus Almighty God HIGHLY EXALTED him and GAVE him a NAME that is above every other name so that all men will one day bow down to his Son to honor his name to the GLORY of Almighty God the Father.
So then, what this passage of scripture in Philippians 2:5-11 is actually and truly saying is that Jesus thought NOT “ROBBERY”, or Jesus thought NOT, “the idea of ROBBERY” to steal or take by force that status of being EQUAL with his God and Father the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, which AGREES with the very words of Jesus when he said that the Father is GREATER than himself.
Now some who still want to try and defend these false teachings of the trinity and the deity of Jesus where Jesus is EQUAL in every way with Almighty God the Father seem to always run back to John 1:1 and dogmatically demand that the phrase “the Word WAS God” means without fail that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God case closed end of discussion.
But please keep in mind that John 1:1 does NOT say in the beginning was JESUS and JESUS was WITH God and JESUS WAS God, but rather the word of TRUTH clearly, and plainly says that in a beginning was the word, and the word was with THE God and the word was God. Pleas notice that in the original Greek it does not say that the word was THE God, but rather that the word was God or god. For a deeper understanding on this subject please read the study called “JOHN 1:1-THE WORD WAS GOD!”, but for now let us continue with the study at hand.
Another way that this verse in John 1:1 is translated is that in a beginning was the logos and the logos was with THE God and what God was the logos was, which indicates that Almighty God and his word AGREED as one. In other words, God does not say one thing and mean another, but rather God's word is in AGREEMENT with God's true nature. Now this translation makes it pretty clear to me, that whatever Almighty God SPOKE forth in the FORM of his WORD then his WORD BECAME what ever God's thoughts were. So in essence what ever God THOUGHT and then SPOKE forth went out from God in the FORM of his WORD then God's SPOKEN WORD BECAME the exact express image of what God was thinking or PLANNING to BE or to become into existence where it never existed before except in the mind and plan of God. The Bible says that even as a man THINKS so IS he. So our very thoughts BECOME into reality if we continue dwelling on them and then speak them forth in faith. Please read the study “THE POER OF OUR WORDS!” for a deeper understanding of speaking forth faith filled words based upon the word of God.
Anyway getting back on track even if one were to INTERPRET John 1:1 to dogmatically mean without fail that the phrase “the WORD was God” that JESUS himself was God the context of John 1:1 goes on to say that the word BECAME flesh. So in th light of Philippians 2:5-11 one must conclude that the word STRIPPED himself of every advantage of this FORM or DIVINE NATURE and BECAME a human being.
Also to dogmatically demand that Jesus WAS THE God is in reality saying the Jesus IS the FATHER, which contradicts the doctrine of the trinity, because the Bible clearly teaches us that the FATHER alone is the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Please read 1 Corinthians 8:6, which clearly teaches us that the early church taught that the ONE God was the FATHER.
And the Bible teaches us that in order to inherit eternal life in the world of come we must have or believe in BOTH Almighty God the FATHER and in his SON Jesus the CHRIST, which mean the ANIONTED one of Almighty God. Please read the study “JESUS THE CHRIST”to better understand that Jesus did the works that he did not because he was supposedly fully Almighty God in the flesh, and not because he was the SON of God, but rather it was the Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father DWELLING IN his Son Jesus being the Son of MAN that was how Jesus was empowered to do the works that he did. And this again is one of the many reason why I teach against the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus, because they exalt Jesus beyond the word of TRUTH and therefor deceive the people of God that ONLY Jesus can live without sin and heal people.
But the TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus said the WORKS that I do YOU shall do ALSO. And COLLECTIVELY we shall do greater works, because there are many of us where there was only one Jesus. However, in order to do these works of Jesus you must first BELIEVE.
Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below are some other verses that are used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus. There may be other verses which you may be having trouble seeing any other way than what you were dogmatically taught over and over for so long, but I assure you that each and every verse used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity does indeed have a different meaning that does NOT CONTRADICT any other part of God's word. If there is a verse that I have not listed please do not hesitate to write and let me know. Some verse are included in others studies and they may not appear as an individual study.If there is a verse of verses that you seem to struggle with only being able to see the doctrine of the trinity when you read this verse, then please search out the truth be listening to the other side of the controversy. No one can arrive at the truth by hearing only ONE side of the controversy. I only present you with ALL the evidence that I myself have found and leave it to you to decide what you want to believe.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,
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Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity.
Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.
Your brother in our Lord Jesus the CHRIST.
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