IS JESUS THE CREATOR OR A CREATION?


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IS JESUS THE CREATOR OR A CREATION?


Is Jesus the creator of all things? Or was Jesus created by God?

Let us begin this study in God’s word by qualifying what I myself mean by the two questions, “Is JESUS the creator of ALL THINGS? Or was JESUS created BY God? Please understand that when I say that Jesus was created, I am talking about the HUMAN JESUS and I am NOT referring to the preexisting Word in John 1:1 as the means by which God created all things.

In other words, what I am asking you, the readers and the seekers of the truth of the whole word of God, are the questions is HUMAN Jesus the creator of ALL THINGS? Or was the HUMAN Jesus CREATED BY God? And obviously, we all agree that the HUMAN Jesus came into existence where he never existed before except in the mind and plan of Almighty God. So then the question now becomes WHO brought the human Jesus into existence? Was it Yahweh alone and by himself? Or was it a separated divine eternal Spirit being named the Word who manifested himself to become the human Jesus?

With that being said, let us take a look at all the verses that clearly teach us that Yahweh, the Lord God, and the Father of Jesus, created all things including creating the HUMAN Son of man, Jesus. We will see how Yahweh then made the Son of man, Jesus, to become both Lord and Christ. And we will see that Christ means to be Yahweh’s Savior to save the people from their sins. And then, we will take a closer look at all the verses that are used to try and prove that it was JESUS who created ALL THINGS. For you see, some Christians have concluded that the HUMAN Jesus MUST be Yahweh himself, in the flesh, being fully the one true and only Almighty God and a human being at the SAME time. And thus to them, Jesus must have had TWO NATURES, one DIVINE, and one human. And therefore to them, God HIMSELF died on the cross for our sins.


Let us read who Jesus himself said created all things.


Please read Mark 13:19.


“For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.”



Please notice that Jesus himself clearly identifies God as being the creator of all creation.


Now read Matthew 19:4-6.


“And he answered and said unto them, Have you not READ, that HE which MADE them at the beginning made them male and female, (Again, Jesus himself clearly identifies God as being the CREATOR. Jesus did NOT say, have you not read that I made them at the beginning. Jesus did NOT say have you not read the WE made them in the beginning. But rather Jesus himself said that HE made them in the beginning and the HE in this verse is speaking of Almighty God as being the CREATOR)

5.  And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6.  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”


We all agree that the one whom Jesus calls his Father is God and we all agree that Jesus is NOT the Father. And again we are talking about the HUMAN Jesus right now. We are talking about the word MADE FLESH. We are talking about the word MADE in the IMAGE OF the invisible God. We are talking about the HUMAN Jesus who was MADE in the PERFECT IMAGE of the invisible God whom the HUMAN Jesus calls HIS God and Father.

In other words, right now, at this moment, we are NOT talking about the so-called PREEXISTING word in John 1:1 that BECAME flesh and dwelt among men. Rather we are talking about the Son of MAN, who was NAMED Jesus, AFTER the word was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary was BORN.

To say this another way, the Bible ITSELF makes it very clear to us that the HUMAN Jesus is NOT the FATHER. We can see all through the New Testament that Jesus, himself, and all his disciples, clearly identified the Father as being God and Jesus as being God’s SON.

This is called the DAYS of his FLESH in Hebrews 5:17.


Who IN the days of his FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;”




So then, there was a time, BEFORE the days of his FLESH, when the pre-existent Word was NOT HUMAN FLESH and then there is that time where the Son of MAN, Jesus, is no longer MORTAL FLESH. For all the verses in the Bible on this topic, please read the study “THE FIVE AGES OF JESUS!”  For a deeper understanding of WHO was Jesus during each of these five different distinct ages.

And when you understand that one of those five ages was the DAYS of his FLESH and then you will see that it was the Son of MAN who was MADE PERFECT BY his God and Father. You will see that Almighty God the Father alone is the creator of all things. And you will see that it was the Son of MAN, Jesus, who became the express IMAGE of the invisible God, to become the firstborn of every creature in oder to become the CO-CREATOR of the ALL of whosoever BELIEVE in Jesus as the atonement for their sin. And you will see that to be CREATED IN Jesus Christ to become God’s NEW creation is HOW Jesus became the co-creator of God's NEW CREATION.

As long as you continue to hold fast to your incorrect understand that the HUMAN Jesus as being fully the one true and only ALMIGHTY God and fully a human being at the SAME time, DURING the days of his FLESH, having TWO natures, one DIVINE immortality and one human, then you will not see that it was the Son of MAN who died on the cross, as opposed to the eternal, never having a beginning, God the Son who died on the cross. Jesus himself clearly teaches us that it was the Son of MAN who was lifted up on the cross to suffer and die for the sins of the world.


Please read John 3:13,14f


“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so MUST the Son of MAN be lifted up:

15.  That whosoever believes in him (The Son of MAN who suffered and died on the cross for the sins of the world) should not perish, but have eternal life.”


Now if you truly BELIEVE what the Bible ITSELF teaches, then you will agree that the HUMAN Jesus was brought into existence AT the VIRGIN BIRTH. And if you deny that the Son of MAN was brought into existence at the Virgin birth, then you deny the VIRGIN birth of Jesus. And if you deny that the Son of MAN was a HUMAN being who was FLESH, then you deny the DAYS of his FLESH. You deny the PROPHECIES of Almighty God written in his word foretelling of a time when a CHILD would be BORN and how a SON would be GIVEN.

In other words, you deny the words of Jesus, that the Son of MAN was given on the cross and that the HUMAN Jesus dying for your sins means nothing to you because you have been dogmatically taught that if Jesus were fully a human being, then the sacrifice on the cross would be MEANINGLESS. You have been “brainwashed” to believe that the sacrifice on the cross could NOT be a valid and true sacrifice UNLESS Almighty God HIMSELF died on the cross.

Well, I have got shocking TRUTH for those of you who dogmatically demand that it was Almighty God himself who died on the cross for your sins and that TRUTH is that the Son of MAN, Jesus, was NOT ALMIGHTY God. Please read the study “IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD?” for all the Scriptures that prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that DURING the days of his FLESH, the Son of MAN, Jesus, was NOT the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who alone is the FATHER. But for now please understand that THE ALMIGHTY God has NO other God OVER him and that the Father is the GOD OF his Son Jesus.


Please read 2 Corinthians 1:3.

Blessed be God, even the Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;”


Now read 2 Corinthians 11:31.  


The God AND Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.”


So then, DURING the DAYS of his FLESH, the Son of MAN, Jesus, was UNDER and subject to HIS God and Father. Jesus called God his Father and the ONE TRUE God in John 17:1-3. This is right before the Son of MAN, Jesus, would lay down his own life, of his own free will, to suffer and die a cruel death on the cross in OBEDIENCE to HIS God and Father’s WILL.


John 17:1-3.


These WORDS spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify YOU:

2.  As YOU have GIVEN him POWER over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as YOU have given him.

3.  And THIS IS life eternal, that they might KNOW YOU the ONLY TRUE God, AND Jesus Christ, whom YOU have sent.”


Now let us break this verse down to see what is being said in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

First, we see that the Son of MAN, Jesus, is clearly identifying his FATHER as being the ONE TRUE God.

Then we see that the Son of MAN, Jesus, was GIVEN POWER to then give eternal life to whomsoever the ONE TRUE God GIVES TO the Son.

And then we see that the ONE TRUE God has SENT the Son. But what does the word SENT mean in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God?

Now this “English” word “SENT” can be INTERPRETED, to me, that the ONE TRUE God sent down the ONE TRUE God the SON down from heaven into the word to become FLESH but yet REMAIN the fully ALMIGHTY God and thus the Son of MAN, Jesus, had TWO NATURES one DIVINE IMMORTAL nature and one human MORTAL nature.

BUT is that INTERPRETATION what the Bible ITSELF teaches us?

What do the PROPHECIES of the yet coming Messiah teach us?


Please read Isaiah 9:6-8.


“For unto us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a son is given: (The first part of this prophecy is referring to what the church has come to call the FIRST COMING of Jesus. The thing that I want you to notice is that God has PROPHESIED that a CHILD will be born FIRST before a son is GIVEN. We have already seen in the New Testament that is was the Son of MAN who was lifted up on the cross.

We also know that we are now the sons and daughters of God but we are not YET the ETERNAL, never to die again, sons and daughters of God. And the SAME was true of the Son of MAN, Jesus, DURING the DAYS of his FLESH. I mean if Jesus was NOT fully a MORTAL human being, then he could not have died on the cross for our sins.

So clearly, it was the Son of MAN who was GIVEN on the cross as the sacrifice for our sins. And not only for our sins but also for the sins of the WHOLE world so that whosoever of the ALL who BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF the living God, might have eternal life) and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his NAME shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (These are the prophesied NAMES that the highly exalted Son of MAN will be CALLED after God GLORIFIED the Son of MAN with his very own glory. It was Yahweh, the Father who glorified the Son of MAN, Jesus, by GIVING him the divine nature of IMMORTALITY to be having in himself. It was the SAME divine nature of immortality even as the Father has always possessed immortality in himself, as the SOURCE and giver of all life. There are other PROPHECIES of Jesus being CALLED the God of the WHOLE earth and of God making his firstborn, his King, to be higher than the kings of the earth, in the world to come, that we will cover later.)

7.  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts WILL PERFORM THIS.

8.  The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it has lighted upon Israel.”


When you look up the meaning of the name Jacob you will find that one of the meanings is “HEEL catcher” which reminds me of the first PROPHECY of the SEED of a WOMAN crushing the head of Satan and his HEEL being bruised by Satan. Then I looked up the name Israel and found that it means “he shall RULE AS God”. We know that God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. But what I want you to see is that the Lord SENT a word INTO Jacob and that word LIGHTED upon Israel which means HE shall RULE AS God.

To say this another way God SENT his word into the world and God’s word became FLESH, the Son of MAN, who obeyed all HIS God and Father’s WILL and in return, his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN, Jesus, to RULE AS God, for Yahweh, in the world to come.

I mean if this is what Yahweh HIMSELF PROPHESIED that HE would do and Jesus FULFILLED all of the prophecy of the CHILD being BORN of a VIRGIN woman. And then the Son of MAN was given to die on the cross. And AFTER the cross the Son of MAN was highly exalted because of his obedience to do all of HIS God and Father’s will. Then why is it so hard for some Christians to see that the NOW highly exalted Son of MAN, Jesus. Why is it so hard to see the Son of MAN, Jesus, being GIVEN the divine nature of IMMORTALITY to be having in himself, even as the Father has always had eternal life in himself when this is what the scriptures teach us in SIMPLICITY? And why is it so hard for some Christians to see that the highly exalted Son of MANN will come again to RULE AS God for YAHWEH in the world to come when WE shall rule and reign WITH HIM?

Why is it so hard for some Christians to see that Jesus is NOT the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God himself? Rather Jesus is God’s Savior, that Yahweh himself PROVIDED, by CREATING a MAN who would walk before him in perfect righteousness. Yahweh prophesied that he would HELP his elect. And with the power and strength of the eternal Spirit dwelling in him, the Son of MAN of his own free will made the choice to suffer and die a cruel death on the cross. He did this not for himself, but for his BRETHREN. Jesus did this so that whosoever of the ALL who BELIEVE in Jesus, as the CHRIST, the ANOINTED OF God, who suffered and died on the cross for the atonement of their sins, should be saved and be given eternal life in the world to come to RULE and REIGN WITH Jesus.

Why is it so hard for some Christians to see that the Son of MAN, Jesus, BECAME the CO-CREATOR, or the co-helper with his God and Father, AFTER the cross? Why is it so hard for some Christians to see that it is IN Jesus that we are CREATED, to become God’s NEW CREATION? And this is HOW or why Jesus is called the creator of THE ALL speaking of THE ALL of whosoever BELIEVES in God’s so great a salvation to be saved IN Jesus Christ.

Please read the following studies for all the Scriptures proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus BECAME the author of eternal life AFTER the cross, to become God’s CO-CREATOR of God’s NEW CREATION, where Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of EVERY CREATURE in the IMAGE OF the invisible God. And now is helping his God and Father to create the ALL who BELIEVE, into the IMAGE of God, to fulfill the PROPHECY of Genesis 1:26,27.


Please read Genesis 1:26,27.



“And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness (but before the US God was ALONE and BY HIMSELF having NO other God helping him create all things. The US did not come into BEING until God’s word of PROPHECY was FULFILLED by the Son of MAN Jesus, who BECAME God’s CO-CREATOR of God’s NEW CREATION. Jesus became our example to follow. Jesus is now presently teaching us by way of the Holy Spirit to conform the ALL of whosoever BELIEVES on God’s Son, into the IMAGE of his Son Jesus.

But before God could include the Son of man, Jesus, to become the author of eternal life, God would first have to MAKE the Son of man PERFECT in his IMAGE. Jesus became the perfect image of God BY becoming a partaker of God’s own glory of the divine nature of IMMORTALITY. And that is WHEN the Son of MAN, Jesus, BECAME God’s ETERNAL Son. And that is WHEN Jesus BECAME the US in Genesis 1:26. And if we want to receive eternal life then we must believe in BOTH the Father AND the SON OF God, who are NOW working TOGETHER to create the ALL of whosoever BELIEVES the true Gospel of Jesus Christ into God’s NEW CREATION): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Now notice in the very next verse God is SINGULAR, the ONE God as a SINGLE being that Jesus HIMSELF said made man and woman and created all of creation in the beginning.)

27.  So God created man in HIS own image, in the image of God created HE him;(Jesus is called the SECOND ADAM so this could be a PROPHECY of the SECOND Adam, while at the same time, God creates the first Adam without sin bearing the IMAGE of God and God also created the Second Adam without sin) male and female created HE them.”


So then, in the very beginning, God was ALONE and BY HIMSELF as the sole creator of all things.

Please read Isaiah 44:23,24.


“ Sing, O you heavens; for the LORD has done it: shout, you lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, you mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD has redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. (Or Yahweh HIMSELF has DONE it. Yahweh has glorified HIMSELF IN Israel. This verse is a PROPHECY of Yahweh PERFORMING his own word of prophecy that he sent INTO Jacob which LIGHTED UPON Israel which means HE shall RULE AS God. And both of these prophecies agree with the New Testament where the Son of MAN Jesus FULFILLED these prophecies as the one being GLORIFIED of Yahweh the Father TO the GLORY OF Yahweh the Father.)

24.  Thus says the LORD (Yahweh), YOUR redeemer, and HE that formed YOU from the womb, I am the LORD (Yahweh) that MAKES ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;”


Now some Christians dogmatically insist that the Word was the eternal divine God the Son, the second person of the Trinity Godhead, in eternity past having no beginning, who was WITH the God, at the God’s SIDE and that it was the Word or God the Son who created all things.

But this verse, here in Isaiah 44:24, clearly teaches us in SIMPLICITY, that it was Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF who was the ONE God who created ALL THINGS.

We have seen how Yahweh himself PERFORMS what he has spoken in his word of prophecy. We have seen how much of Yahweh’s word of prophecy has come to pass, being FULFILLED, in the Son of MAN, Jesus. And from Isaiah 44:23 we see that it was Yahweh, himself, who has DONE this.

In Genesis 1:1 we see a HIDDEN prophecy of God’s yet coming Messiah that he will use to redeem mankind to himself and then GIVE the people to his Messiah as his inheritance. You can only see this hidden prophecy by looking at the Hebrew text. Right in the middle of the seven Hebrew words in Genesis 1:1 are the two Hebrew LETTERS the Aleph and the Tav, which are NOT translated.


In other words, Genesis 1:1 reads,


“In the beginning God created “אֵ ת” the heaven and the earth.”


This means that the very first thing God created was his ALPHABET before God SPOKE the heaven and the earth into existence. So then, the Word in John 1:1 was God’s LIVING word within the one true God Yahweh, the Father of ALL, because Yahweh alone and by himself created all things, as being the SOURCE of all things. God is Spirit and God’s spoken words are Spirit. But BEFORE God’s word is SPOKEN, his word dwelt within the ONE BEING or the ONE eternal Spirit. And then Yahweh’s THOUGHTS were formed into his SPOKEN word of what Yahweh desired to CREATE. But nothing was created without Yahweh SPEAKING his word out from within himself to come out from his mouth as PROPHECY.

So then, the HOW that Yahweh alone and by himself, created all things, is that Yahweh FORMS an IMAGE in his own mind and THOUGHTS morphing that IMAGE within himself until he gets that IMAGE just the way he desires that FORM or IMAGE within himself to be brought into existence. Then AFTER God has FORMED that IMAGE just the way he desires his IMAGE to be, then Yahweh SPEAKS forth, out from his very own mouth, his very own living word, which is the DNA or BLUEPRINT, so to speak, of WHO or WHAT Yahweh is creating.


Now if you still dogmatically demand that the Word was a separate distinct divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH the God, at the God’s SIDE. And that this separate divine eternal Spirit being who was WITH God  was God himself. And that the separate devive eteranl Spirit being who was WITH God was God the Son, the second person of a Godhead Trinity. Then the ONE God, according to you, is made up of three persons in the one God. And according to you, it was God the Son, Jesus, who created all things in eternity past.

IF this is you, then please read Proverbs 8:22-31 and please notice that Jesus WATCHES while Yahweh does ALL the creating ALONE and BY HIMSELF. According to Proverbs 8:22-31, when it is INTERPRETED as Jesus PRE-EXISTING as God the Son who is the CREATOR, does not show Jesus lifting a finger to create anything. So to ME, all the verses in the New Testament that SEEM to be saying that Jesus is the creator of everthing is actually speaking of Jesus being the reason FOR God’s NEW CREATION of THE ALL who are created IN Jesus Christ.


Proverbs 8:22-31.


“The LORD (referring to YAHWEH the Lord God Almighty, who we know is the FATHER alone) possessed ME (Speaking of Jesus in the future. The word POSSESSED means acquired, bought, purchased redeemed, brought forth into existence, and formed his SON IN his WISDOM and his UNDERSTANDING, in his THOUGHTS within himself. Remember that wisdom and understanding is a personification of God’s yet future Son who would become his Messiah) in the beginning of HIS way, (All these meanings of God ACQUIRING his SON, teach us that Jesus not only had a BEGINNING, but also that this passage of scripture is PROPHECY of yet a future fulfillment concerning Jesus and NOT teaching us of a literal PREEXISTING Jesus. In other words, God acquired the THOUGHT of one day having a Son and God FORMED that thought within himself as an IMAGE)  before HIS WORKS of old. (The meaning of the word “WORKS” here LITERALLY means PRECEDING his CONTRIVANCES of old. And this word contrivance means that God had his Son in MIND preceding his CLEVERLY DEVISED ingenious PLAN. And God’s PLAN of SALVATION was to have an INNOCENT MAN be SLAIN without cause so he could redeem or buy back his creation called the HUMANS that he has not yet created PRECEDING the foundation of the world.

You see dear child of God, by Yahweh creating a NEW species of being called the humans a little lower or inferior to his previous creation the ANGELS, Who would live without sin, then God could clear his name. You see, 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God under the leadership of Lucifer, who is now known as Satan or the Devil. And it is PART of God's ingenious plan to prove that he created Lucifer perfect in all his ways by creating an INFERIOR species of beings called the human who will walk perfectly before God without sin. And thus God will clear his own name, for his own sake, that was being defamed by the false accusation from Lucifer. You see, Lucifer BLAMED God for his own prideful sin saying, that God created him evil and it was not God's fault that he rebelled against God. Therefore God has no right to judge him.

For all the verses in the Bible on this topic, please read the study UNDERSTANDING WHY?  These verses will answer many, many questions Christian have, such as WHY does God allow evil in the world? Please understand that this verse like all verses must be interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God and AGREE with the rest of God's word. If one interprets this verse alone and apart from the rest of God's word, it may SEEM that Jesus was brought forth BEFORE the foundation of the world and was LITERALLY by the side of God as a SECOND person or being as God's Son.

However, in the light of the WHOLE word of God, which you will see that the correct meaning of this verse is that Jesus is God’s FIRST DESIRE, WITHIN himself, to have a SON BEFORE God begins creating or preparing a PLACE FOR his Son, which is the restored world. You see dear child of God, it is like proud EXPECTING parents awaiting their unborn child who are PREPARING a room for their YET COMING child.)

        23. I was set up (This word has several meanings, which are #1 God INAUGURATE his Son or APPOINTED his Son to be a King of kings) from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (Also, this word translated as set up in the King James Version carries the meaning of being POURED OUT as a drink offering is poured out. So when we take this meaning and compare it to the scripture that teaches us that Jesus is the LAMB that was SLAIN from BEFORE the foundation of the world, we can see that Proverbs 8:22-31 is a PROPHECY about a YET FUTURE fulfillment from the time it was SPOKEN by God and then written down by men of old. We all KNOW that Jesus was NOT LITERALLY SLAIN BEFORE the foundation of the world.

And in the same way Jesus did NOT LITERALLY PREEXIST by the side of God BEFORE the foundation of the world. But rather, the SON OF God dwelt in God's MIND as an IMAGE WITHIN God before the foundation of the world. So then, it was AS IF his Son was BY his side where God had WITHIN him an IMAGE of his yet FUTURE Son before the foundation of the world. You may not agree as yet, so I ask that you please humor me and read these verses seeing God as a proud parent EXPECTING his yet UNBORN child. At least try and see these verses as God preparing a place, the world, FOR or FOR the SAKE OF his yet future unborn SON, who is yet to be brought into existence)

        24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; (The LITERAL meaning of this word “brought forth” means TRAVAILED as a woman in labor pains about to BIRTH a yet unborn child. This word also means to WAIT PATIENTLY or to look for. Again teaching us that Jesus, the SON OF God, was still yet WITHIN the God, who was anxiously AWAITING his Son to be brought forth or born of the Virgin Mary. And then the FIRST BORN from the dead would forever be God's ETERNAL Son by his right hand side LITERALLY.

So all these words teach us that Jesus was BEING brought forth in the MIND of God as part of God's CONTRIVANCE to prove to Lucifer, the fallen angels and to the good angels that ALL that God creates is PERFECT and he has every right to judge Lucifer and the fallen angels. And all this is taking place in God's MIND BEFORE the re-creation of the earth that was destroyed or made waste in the WAR between God and the fallen angels who were trying to take over God's throne. Again. please read the study UNDERSTANDING WHY?  for all the verses that show what I am saying about this war or rebellion of Lucifer and the fallen angels. But for now please understand that God was TRAVAILING or if you will PREGNANT with his yet unborn SON) when there were no fountains abounding with water.

        25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: (Same as above, which means that Jesus was yet in the womb of God's MIND and deep DESIRE WITHIN himself BEING brought forth into existence. Remember Exodus 3:14 where God says “I AM THAT I AM”, or I AM WHO I AM which LITERALLY means I SHALL BECOME WHO I AM BECOMING Did you notice the TWO “I AM”? Yahweh the first “I AM” is the one creating the second “I AM” his MESSIAH. So then, IF Jesus was saying that he is the “I AM” then to ME, Jesus was saying that he is the “I AM” who was PROPHESIED to come into being. In other words, Jesus saying before Abraham was born I AM the one prophesied to come into being in Exodus 3:14.)

        26. While as yet HE (Almighty God) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. (Now those who teach the PREEXISTENCE of Jesus also teach that Jesus HIMSELF created ALL things. But ALL the verses in the OLD Testament CLEARLY and PLAINLY, in SIMPLICITY, teach us that Almighty God himself ALONE and by HIMSELF created ALL things. Please read the study EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS? , for a sound Biblical teaching letting the Bible speak for ITSELF. Clearly showing that Almighty God HIMSELF created ALL things FOR or FOR the SAKE of his SON Jesus, just like Proverbs 8:22-31 is teaching us.

27. When HE (Almighty God himself ALONE and BY HIMSELF) prepared the heavens, I was there (Meaning that Jesus was there in his THOUGHTS and DESIRES WITHIN Yahweh himself as if his yet unborn Son was literally by his side while HE was PREPARING a place for ME. Remember that God is prophesying these words TO his yet future Son, so that when the Son of MAN reads these words, he will know how much his God and Father LOVES him. This passage of scripture is written in the first person, as if Jesus was actually there speaking these words. But as you will see in a moment by the CONTEXT that Jesus was NOT actually brought into existence yet): when HE set a compass upon the face of the depth: (The LITERAL meaning of God setting a COMPASS upon the face of the deep is INTO DELINEATE OF HIM, which means that God is drawing out, sketching out, making a blueprint, designing WITHIN himself in his THOUGHTS and IMAGINING how he will prepare this place for his yet unborn SON. This word, DELINEATE, also means to PICTURE as WORDS or to PORTRAY in WORDS. To say this another way, God was PICTURING, in his MIND, within himself FORMING words WITHIN himself, to portray the IMAGE that was WITHIN himself, to bring it forth into existence. WHILE Jesus, his yet unborn Son, was the CENTER of this IMAGE that God had within himself. God was designing a PORTRAIT of the IMAGE within himself to CREATE.)

28: When HE established the clouds above: when HE strengthened the fountains of the deep,

29. When HE gave to the sea HIS decree, that the waters should not pass HIS commandment: when HE appointed (DESIGNED or delineated in himself) the foundations of the earth:

30. Then I was by him, AS ONE brought up WITH him (Now these last two verses clearly teach us that this passage of scripture is a PROPHECY of the future fulfillment of God's SON being brought forth into existence and that it was AS IF Jesus was by his side, WHILE God was PREPARING the world FOR or FOR the SAKE OF his yet unborn Son. Please notice in the next verse that Jesus was REJOICING IN the habitable part of the EARTH that had NOT YET been created as yet, but was still yet in the MIND and PLAN of God WITHIN himself yet to be brought forth into existence): and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him.

31. Rejoicing IN the HABITABLE part of his EARTH; and my delights were with the sons of men.”

 

In these last two verses, verse 30 and verse 31, clearly teach us that Proverb 8:22-31 is a PROPHECY of God yet coming future Son because we see Jesus rejoicing in the EARTH that has NOT YET been CREATED or recreated by Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF.

Now IF SO BE that God the Son was there with Yahweh, by his side, then we can clearly see that God the Son did NOTHING to create anything because he was WATCHING while Yahweh did ALL the creating.

 

BUT if we understand Proverbs 8:22-31 as Yahweh’s Son being in the THOUGHTS and PLANS of Yahweh begetting a Son, in the future, and Yahweh alone and by himself was creating all things FOR his yet coming future Son, that he would CREATE in the WOMB of a woman, then we can see HOW the Son of MAN, Jesus, BECAME Yahweh’s CO-CREATOR, to HELP God create his NEW CREATION.


Please read Jeremiah 31:32.


“How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? for the LORD (Yahweh) has CREATED a NEW THING in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.”


In other words, Yahweh is prophesying of CREATING a NEW THING in the earth which is CREATING his Messiah in the WOMB of a woman who would have a CHILD and then that Son of MAN would lay down his own life, of his own free will, to obey his God and Father’s WILL.

Now when we really read God’s word with a fine tooth comb so to speak, we begin to see that there are NOT three but rather there are only TWO who are Yahweh the Father and his SON Jesus. The reason I say this is that the Bible ITSELF teaches us that there is but ONE Spirit and that Yahweh the invisible God is Spirit. Please see the study “THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE FATHER!” for all the verses but for now please read Luke 12:10.


Luke 12:10.


“And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.”


Please notice that the Father is NOT mentioned but I have heard several sermons preached where the pastor would misquote this verse saying that you can blaspheme Almighty God the Father and you can blaspheme the Son but you had better not say any word against the Holy Spirit.

And when I saw that the Father was NOT mentioned in this verse I began to see how the Eternal Spirit IS the Father. So for ME, I have to conclude that Yahweh ALONE and by himself existed in eternity past and his Son did not come into existence until the Virgin birth as a MORTAL Son of God miraculously begotten by Yahweh’s SPOKEN word in the WOMB of the Virgin Mary to be BORN as a HUMAN Son of MAN.

And then that human Son of MAN became obedient to do all the will of his God and Father. And BECAUSE of the OBEDIENCE of the Son of MAN, Jesus, Yahweh the Father HIGHLY EXALTED his FIRSTBORN Son from the dead to the HIGHEST position available. And that highest position is to be at Yahweh’s very own right hand side to RULE and reign FOR Yahweh in the world to come. Would you like to see that PROPHECY?


Please read Isaiah 40:10.


“Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his ARM shall rule FOR him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.”


Here is another prophecy of Jesus being the mighty ARM and strong right hand of the Lord whom God says of his FIRSTBORN that he shall make him a King.


Psalm 89:13-28.


“You have a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and HIGH is your right hand.

14.  Justice and judgment are the habitation of your throne (the throne granted to God’s Son at his right hand side): mercy and truth shall go before your face.

15.  Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of your countenance. (In that city that is lighted with the GLORY of God and the Lamb is the light)

16.  In your name shall they rejoice all the day: and in your righteousness shall they be exalted.

17.  For you are the glory of their strength: and in your favor our horn shall be exalted.

18.  For the LORD is our defense; AND the Holy One of Israel is our king. (This is a prophecy of the Son of MAN, Jesus, becoming the Holy One of Israel being highly exalted to be made King over the kings of the earth.)

19.  Then you (Yahweh) spoke in VISION to YOUR holy one, and said, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have EXALTED one chosen out of the people.

20.  I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:

21.  With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.

22.  The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

23.  And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.

24.  But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.

25.  I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.

26.  He shall cry unto me, YOU (Yahweh) art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

27.  Also I WILL MAKE him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

28.  My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.”


Psalm 98:1.


“O sing unto the LORD (Yahweh) a new song; for HE has done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, has gotten him the victory.”


These are all PROPHECIES and Yahweh’s prophecies are his Spoken words, his SPEECH that he himself performs and brings to pass. And the Son of MAN, Jesus, is seen in the New Testament as the FULFILLMENT of these prophecies that have prophesied from the Virgin birth, of the CHILD, to the Son of MAN, Jesus, being GLORIFIED with the IMAGE of his God and Father, to be seated at the right hand of the Father.

And not one single prophecy speaks of Yahweh sending down God the Son to become a man and remain the fully Almighty God the Son, having TWO natures at the same time during the days of his flesh.

So to ME, there only became TWO separate distinct persons who are united as one God and one Lord AFTER the cross. It was after the cross when Yahweh GAVE to the Son of MAN his own glory of the divine nature of IMMORTALITY to become the PERFECT IMAGE Of Yahweh. It was AfTER the cross, resurrection and GLORIFICATION of the Son of MAN that Jesus CAME to be called Yahweh our Righteousness by being GIVEN a NAME higher that all other names.


Please read Jeremiah 23:5,6.


“Behold, the days COME, says the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6.  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: (Or in his FIRST two days, the age of the church, the spiritual seed of Judah shall be saved and given eternal life. And in his THIRD day, speaking of the world to come, the children of Israel shall dwell safely in their own land from generation to generation.) and this is his NAME whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


Yahweh has GIVEN or surnamed the Son of MAN, Jesus, with the HIGHEST NAME over ALL other names by NAMING his RIGHTEOUS Son of MAN to be called Yahweh our righteousness. Another PROPHECY is that the FIRST, speaking of Yahweh, shall be WITH the LAST, speaking of his IMAGE created in his likeness both in RIGHTEOUSNESS and in the divine NATURE of IMMORTALITY.


Please read Isaiah 41:1-4.


“Keep silence before ME, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let US come near TOGETHER to judgment. (This is Yahweh speaking to his NOW highly exalted, and now GLORIFIED Son of MAN, Jesus, the express IMAGE OF the invisible Yahweh)

2.  WHO raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and MADE HIM rule over kings? He gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow.

3  He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet.

I4.  WHO has wrought and DONE it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and WITH the last; I am he.”


Or, I Yahweh am HE who ALONE and by myself have DONE this marvelous work and I am WITH the MAN who, I myself, have made to be my salvation and for his obedience I have HIGHLY EXALTED to be my King of kings and Lord of lords. To RULE and REIGN FOR me during my day of REST in the world to come. He is my Holy One of Israel and he shall be called the God of the WHOLE earth.


Please read Isaiah 54:5.


“ For your Maker is your husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; AND your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.”


And Yahweh will make every knee to bow at the NAME which he gave to the Son of MAN, Jesus, and every tongue to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord TO the GLORY OF the FATHER.


Please read Philippians 2:8-11.


“And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9.  Wherefore (Or for this very reason of the Son of MAN, Jesus, becoming OBEDIENT to do all his God and Father’s WILL, even to suffer and die a cruel death of the cross, as an INNOCENT MAN, for the sins of the world) God also has highly exalted him, and given him a NAME which is above every NAME:

10.  That at the NAME (The surname of Yahweh our righteousness added to the name) of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11.  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory of God the Father.”


Now to ME, it is more glorious that a MAN overcame sin and died as our fellow brother, for our sins, than if the Almighty God, where there is nothing too difficult to do, were to die on the cross.

To ME, The Bibles ITSELF clearly teaches us that God is NOT a MAN and neither is he the Son of MAN. And I know that there was no Son of MAN who was with God in eternity past, having no beginning. So then, to me, it is easy to see that the Son of Man, Jesus, was a CREATED being. Who was then later EMPOWERED with the Eternal Spirit DWELLING IN him at his baptism to overcome sin and offer himself up as the spotless Lamb for the sins of the world.


Please read Hebrews 9:13,14.


“For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh:

14.  How much MORE shall the blood of Christ, who THROUGH the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”


And NOW that SAME eternal Spirit DWELLS IN YOU to EMPOWER YOU to overcome sin in your life. Please see the studies “HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE FREE FROM SIN!” and “CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PERFECT?”


Also please read the related studies below that give you all the verses to prove that the Son of MAN became God’s ETERNAL Son.


Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.


Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.


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“WHAT DOES FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE MEAN?”

“WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD’S ETERNAL SON?”

“WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE TRULY MEAN?”

“WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?”


 

VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!

 

JOHN 1:1-3

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.”

 

JOHN 3:13

 

“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

 

JOHN 3:17

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

 

JOHN 3:31

 

“He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.

 

JOHN 6:32


        “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven”

 

JOHN 6:33

 

For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”

 

JOHN 6:38

 

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

JOHN 6:42

“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

 

JOHN 6:50

“ This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

 

JOHN 6:51

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

JOHN 6:58

“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.

 

JOHN 6:62

 

“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”

 

JOHN 8:14

 

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”

 

JOHN 8:23

 

“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”

 

JOHN 8:24

 

“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

 

JOHN 8:42,43

       “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

       43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.”


 

JOHN 8:58

 

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

 

JOHN 16:28

 

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

 

JOHN 17:5

 

“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

 

JOHN 17:8

 

“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.

 

 

JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)

 

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”

 

ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)

 

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)

 

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)

 

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

 

2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)

 

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”

 

GALATIANS 4:4

 

“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

EPHESIANS 3:9-11

 

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”

 

EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)

 

“Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”

 

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)

 

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

 

HEBREWS 1:2

 

“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

 

Hebrews 2:16,17

 

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”

 

Hebrews 5:8

 

“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”

 

HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)

 

“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8

 

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

 

1 John 1:1,2

 

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

         2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”

 

REVELATION 3:14

 

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”

 

MICAH 5:2

 

“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

 

GENESIS 1:26

 

 

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

 

PROVERBS 8:22  (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)

 

 

“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”

 

 

Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

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            Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the Trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self-same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immanuel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHAM I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh