HOW DID JESUS PREEXIST?



HOW DID JESUS

PREEXIST?


Every Christian believes the Jesus preexisted is some way or form. Even those Christians, who teach that Jesus did not exist BEFORE his virgin birth must agree that Jesus preexisted in the FORM of God's “LOGOS” before the “LOGOS” became flesh.

For those of you, who may have never heard the word “LOGOS”, it is the Greek word translated as the “word” of God. The Greek word “logos” is found 207 times in the New Testament and all but seven times “logos” is translated as “word” with a small or lower case “w” and means the spoken word of God. And in those other seven times the same exact Greek word “logos” is translated as “Word” with a capital “W”.

Here are those seven times found in the following five verses:

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

1 John 1:1

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;”

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Revelation 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”



Now some Christians INTERPRET these five verses as the “LOGOS” being a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE from all eternity past as a second divine eternal person or being. But in order to keep with the mono theism of the Old Testament of there being only ONE God, then they must somehow reconcile the contradiction of their interpretation of the “LOGOS” being a separate divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH God AT his SIDE.

So the pat answer of some Christians is to say that Jesus is the one true God, as in, one and the self same being as Yahweh where Yahweh then manifested himself as his Son whom he then sent down from heaven to become the Son of man, but yet remained fully the Almighty God at the same time having two natures, one divine and one human. This is the basic belief of Oneness believers, who differ from Trinity believers, because they say that Jesus IS the Father and the Father IS the Son, as in, they are NOT two separate divine beings. They say that the Father and the Son are ONE and the self SAME being appearing in different forms.

Other Christians say no to that theory and say that the “LOGOS” was the second person of a triune or trinity God existing in three different persons but still being one God. They say that God the Father sent down God the Son, the second person of the trinity, who then became the Son of man, but yet remained the fully divine Almighty God at the same time having two natures, one divine and one human. Obviously these believers are Trinitarians, because they believe that God is a trinity God, which they define as the ONE God being three separate persons in the one God. NOT three God's, but three persons in the ONE God.

Then there are some Christians, who say no to both the above theories and say that the “LOGOS” was begotten in eternity past and preexisted WITH God AT his SIDE as a second eternal divine Spirit being, who was God's eternal divine SON named the Word. Then the eternal Son of God named the Word was sent down from heaven and the eternal Son of God named the Word became flesh, but yet remained divine in NATURE. They differ slightly from the above two theories by saying that Jesus was NOT fully Almighty God and the Son of man at the SAME time, but they still maintain that Jesus had TWO natures, one divine and one human. To my knowledge this group of believers have no one particular denominational name. They are found among different denominational churches like the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventist, the Church of God and other smaller congregations of believers.


But I say, WHY complicate things by INTERPRETING that the “LOGOS” in these seven occurrences found in these five verses to mean a divine eternal separate being, who was WITH the God AT his SIDE, when ALL the other 200 times the Greek word “LOGOS” means SPEECH, the SAYING of God, the SPOKEN word of God.

So I myself interpret God's “LOGOS” in these seven occurrences as being God's SPOKEN word of PROPHECY, which then became the Son of man VOID of ANY divine nature. Now I am not saying that Jesus was not uniquely born and that he was the exact same as every other human being. I teach that Jesus was uniquely born without any human father. I teach that Jesus is the SON OF God, but I differ in what I teach as to WHEN Jesus BECAME the ETERNAL SON OF God. I cover those verses in another study called WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD'S ETERNAL SON?.

But for now let us consider PROPHECY! What does the Bible ITSELF prophesy will come? What I mean by this is does the Bible itself prophesy that God will send down his SON from heaven to become the Son of man, who would remain the fully divine Son of God at the same time and thus he would have two natures, one divine and one human?


Let us see what the Bible ITSELF prophesies about Jesus.

Genesis 3:15.


And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her SEED; IT (The translated English word IT here LITERALLY reads HE referring to the SEED that will come out of the woman Israel) shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise HIS heel.”


Most every Christian agrees that this is a prophecy of the coming Messiah, which we, as Christians, believe is Jesus, the Son of the living God.

Genesis 22:16-18.


And said, By myself have I sworn, says the LORD, for because you have done this thing, and have not withheld YOUR son, YOUR ONLY son:

17. That in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your SEED as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and your SEED shall possess the gate of HIS enemies;

18. And IN YOUR SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because you have obeyed my voice.”


Just as a side note, I myself find it interesting that BECAUSE Abraham was willing to offer up HIS only begotten son that this allowed God to then offer up HIS only begotten Son when that day came to pass.

Again we all agree that this is a prophecy that was fulfilled by Jesus being IN the SEED or linage of Abraham. If you have doubt please read Galatians 3:16.


Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He says not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to your SEED, which is Christ.”


Hebrews 11:17,18.


By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18. Of whom it was said, That IN Isaac shall your SEED be called:”


Romans 9:6-8.


        “Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (This means that some of Israel is from the seed or Isaac, the SEED of PROMISE and others are from the seed of Ishmael, who are NOT of the seed of promise, but they were natural born Jews being of the seed of Abraham. They came to follow another prophet as Jesus said they would in John 5:43. " I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive." We know them as Muslims, who follow the teachings of the false prophet Muhammad.)

7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, IN Isaac shall your SEED be called.

8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”


Acts 13:22,23.


And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will.

23. Of this man's SEED has God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus:”


So then, by these New Testament verses we know that the disciples of Jesus, who were eyewitnesses to he resurrection from the dead and his ascension into heaven, discerned, understood, and taught us that Jesus was the FULFILLMENT of PROPHECY. All the disciples of Jesus saw Jesus as a MAN with who God was WITH, as in, the knew and understood and taught the God dwelt IN Jesus. And all these prophecies concerning Jesus speak of Jesus being BORN of a woman, who was in the line or linage of king David.

Even the GENEALOGY of Jesus teaches us that he is the Son of MAN as was PROPHESIED in the Old Testament. 

Please read Matthew 1:1.


The book of the GENERATION of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”


Matthew 1:2-16 is actually the genealogy of Jesus through line of Joseph, who was NOT the biological father of Jesus, but only a guardian of his adopted son Jesus. Luke 3:23-38 gives us the genealogy of Mary, which is the actual human bloodline or seed line of Jesus all the way back to Adam the first human, who is called the son of God. This is why the genealogy in Luke differs from the genealogy recorded in Matthew.

But we all know that since Joseph was NOT the biological father of Jesus and it takes TWO seeds to beget a child, then the SEED that was joined with the SEED of the woman, which CONCEIVED the SEED of the woman to begat Jesus came FROM God himself. So then what does the Bible itself teach us is the SEED of God? Certainly we know that God did NOT have intercourse with the virgin Mary. So then, what CONCEIVED the seed of the women to form a fetus in the womb of Mary? What does the Bible ITSELF teach us is the SEED of God?

Please read Luke 8:9-11.


And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10. And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11. Now the parable is this: The SEED is the WORD (the LOGOS) of God.”


Now we, as new creatures in Jesus Christ, are BORN of God THROUGH his SPOKEN word, the logos, being preached to us, which when we BELIEVED the word, then that spoken logos was conceive in us making us to become God's NEW creation, who will inherit the worlds to come.

Please read 1 Peter 1:23.


Being born again, not of corruptible SEED, but of INCORRUPTIBLE (SEED), by the word (the LOGOS) of God, which lives and abides for ever.”


In other words, the gospel of TRUTH, the living spoken word of God was preached or SPOKEN to us and when we BELIEVED that spoken word or SAYING of God, then that spoken logos came alive in us causing us to be BORN anew as a NEW creature in Jesus Christ.

Again what does the PROPHECY in the Old Testament teach us? Please read Deuteronomy 18:15.


The LORD your God will raise up unto you a Prophet from the midst of you,(or from AMONG you) of your BRETHREN, like unto ME (or a human prophet like unto Moses); unto HIM you shall hearken;”


Now to ME, I do not see how any of the children of Israel were looking for a God/man being fully Almighty God and fully a human being at the same time having two natures. To me this doctrine of the deity of Jesus being fully Almighty God and fully a man at the same time having TWO natures, one divine and one human was man's creation to explain how an eternal God could DIE. And also to explain away other arguments like, how could Jesus be Almighty God himself if he did not know the time of his own return and at the same time the Father did know the time of his Son's return.

So those, who hold to this yet unproven theory of Jesus being fully Almighty God and fully a man at the same time, say it was the HUMAN SIDE of Jesus, who died on the cross and it was the divine side that raised himself from the dead. And it was the human side of Jesus, who did not know that day nor hour of his return and it was his divine side who did know. All I can say to this theory is WHERE are the SCRIPTURES to prove this man-made theory?


Let us stay with what the Bible ITSELF actually states as fact with no interpretation needed, because the Bible itself is not confusing and is easy to comprehend if you believe that God alone and by himself created all things by SPEAKING them into existence like the Genesis creation account clearly teaches us. We will get to the explanation of what I mean by this in a moment, but for now let us see what PROPHECY teaches us.

Please read 2 Samuel 7:12-14.


And when your days be fulfilled (speaking of king David), and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your SEED after your, which shall proceed out of your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13. He shall build an house for my name,(a spiritual house not made with hands. Know you not that YOU are the temple or house of God) and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14. I WILL BE his father, and he SHALL BE my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:”


Some argue and say that this is not a prophecy of Jesus, but rather it is speaking of Solomon, because Jesus did not sin. What they do not discern is that many prophecies have a dual fulfillment and the last part of this prophecy is speaking of Solomon, who did sin. However some interpret the last part of verse 14 that Jesus bore those stripes and bruises for OUR iniquities that were laid upon him. We will go to Isaiah 53 in a moment, but first let us read the parallel account of this verse found 1 Chronicles 7:11-14.


And it shall come to pass, when your days be expired (speaking of king David) that you must go to be with your fathers, that I will raise up your SEED after you, which shall be OF YOUR sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12. He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13. I WILL BE his father, and he SHALL BE my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before you:

14. But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.”


Now in this prophecy we do not see any mention of anyone committing sin. We also see in verse 11 that the yet coming SEED being prophesied is NOT Solomon, because it says that the SEED shall be OF YOUR SONS speaking of the SEED coming FROM Solomon the son of king David. We will come back to these PROPHECIES that teach us that God WILL BE the Father and Jesus SHALL BE his Son in a moment, but let us first take a look at Isaiah 53:1-2 to see if Jesus was bruised FOR OUR sins that were laid upon him to bear for us.

Isaiah 53:1-12.


Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5. BUT he was wounded FOR OUR transgressions, he was bruised FOR OUR iniquities: the chastisement of OUR peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opens not his mouth.

8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”



So then, to ME, it is clear that both passages of scripture in 2 Samuel 7:12-14 and 1 Chronicles 7:11-14 are prophecies of Jesus where Almighty God PROPHESIES that God WILL BE his Father and Jesus SHALL BE his Son in the FUTURE sometime AFTER this word of PROPHECY was given to men of old to write down and the prophets would prophesy every time the word or logos of God was read or taught.

Now to ME simple common sense says that, if so be, Jesus already preexisted as God eternal divine Son in eternity past as some dogmatically demand we must believe in order to be a true Christian, then God would have said, I AM his Father and he IS my Son. But that is NOT what these PROPHECIES of Jesus teach us. These prophecies teach us that God WILL BE his Father and he SHALL BE my Son.

Let us now read Hebrews 1:5.


For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a Son?”


The writer of the book of Hebrews is quoting Psalm 2:7, which is a PROPHECY of Jesus that was yet to be fulfilled from when the prophecy was first given to be prophesied. Jesus said that the scriptures spoke of HIM so when Jesus read this verse he knew by the Holy Spirit that this was a PROPHECY of him. So I am quite sure that Jesus declared this DECREE of himself to his God and Father in his time of prayer to the Father.


I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, You are my Son; THIS DAY day have I begotten you.”


Now surely any one with eyes to see and ears to hear can clearly see that Jesus was begotten or brought into existence on a certain DAY in time. In other words Jesus had a BEGINNING. But this verse by itself does not teach us as to WHEN this day is that Jesus became God's ETERNAL Son and Almighty God became his Father. For this answer we need only to read Acts 13:33-35.


God has FULFILLED the same unto us their children, IN THAT he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, you are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you.

34. And AS CONCERNING that he raised him up from the dead, now NO MORE to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

35. Wherefore he said also in another psalm, You shall not suffer your Holy One to see corruption.”


So then, The Bible ITSELF, through the word or LOGOS of PROPHECY, teaches us that the, WHEN that Jesus BECAME God's ETERNAL Son never to see corruption or death ever again, was on the very DAY that God raised up the Son of MAN from the dead and GAVE the Son of MAN eternal life.

Please read John 5:22-27


For the Father judges NO man, but has COMMITTED ALL judgment unto the Son:

23. That (or so that) all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.

24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26. FOR (or BECAUSE or the REASON of WHY the Son of MAN will be able to give eternal life is BECAUSE) AS the Father HAS life in himself (as in, the eternal invisible Spirit has ALWAYS possessed immortality in himself); SO HAS HE GIVEN TO the Son (of MAN) TO HAVE life in himself;

27. AND (or and also for the same reason that the Father gave the Son of man eternal life) has given him authority to execute judgment ALSO, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”


Now some try and argue that the Son was given eternal life in eternity past, but this is NOT what PROPHECY teaches us as we have just seen in Acts 13:33-35 where THIS DAY that Jesus was BEGOTTEN was the very day that Jesus was RESURRECTED from the dead NEVER TO DIE again. So then, in order for the MORTAL Son of man to never died AGAIN he must have been GIVEN immortality AFTER he was resurrected from the dead.

If you remember the conversation that Jesus had with Mary Magdalene right after Jesus, the Son of MAN was raised from the dead he specifically told Mary Magdalene NOT to TOUCH him. And he gave her and us the REASON of WHY he did NOT want Mary Magdalene to TOUCH him.

Let us read John 20:17,18/


Jesus said unto her, TOUCH ME NOT; FOR (or BECAUSE) I am NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”


Then later that same evening Jesus appeared to his disciples. Please read John 20:19,20.



Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.

20. And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.”


Now we are not actually told here in the gospel of John that Jesus told his disciples to touch him, but in Luke we clearly see that Jesus is telling them to look at his hands and his feet saying HANDLE ME or TOUCH ME to prove to yourself that I am NOT a SPIRIT for a SPIRIT has NOT FLESH and BONES as you see me have.

Please read Luke 24:36-44.


And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38. And he said unto them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: HANDLE ME, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

40. And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet.

41. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have you here any meat?

42. And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43. And he took it, and did eat before them.

44. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.”


So then, from the time that Jesus spoke to Mary Magdalene saying TOUCH me NOT, because I have NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father to the time that he appeared the SAME day in the evening to his disciples saying HANDLE ME, or TOUCH me and see for yourselves that I am ALIVE for ever more, Jesus ASCENDED to his God and Father to be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE and ALL POWER and descended back down from heaven to show himself ALIVE forever more never to die again my many infallible proofs for forty days before he ascended back into heaven a second time.

Another proof of this is Matthew 28:18.


And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.”


Jesus spoke these words AFTER his resurrection. So then, Jesus was GIVEN TWO things when he ascended into heaven right after saying to Mary Magdalene do NOT TOUCH me, because I have NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father. 

And then we are clearly and plainly told in John 5:22-27 what two things were given to the Son of MAN after he was resurrected and ascended to his Father. And we are told the REASON of WHY Jesus was given these TWO things, which is BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN. NOT because Jesus was Almighty God himself. And not even because Jesus was the Son of God. But BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN.

Please read John 5:22-27 again.


For the Father judges NO man, but has COMMITTED ALL judgment unto the Son:

23. That (or so that) all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.

24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26. FOR (or BECAUSE or the REASON of WHY the Son of MAN will be able to give eternal life is BECAUSE) AS the Father HAS life in himself (as in, the eternal invisible Spirit has ALWAYS possessed immortality in himself); SO HAS HE GIVEN TO the Son (of MAN) TO HAVE life in himself;

27. AND (or and also for the same reason that the Father gave the Son of man eternal life) has given him authority to execute judgment ALSO, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”


Now you can reason AWAY the clear, plain, and simple word of God that teaches us in SIMPLICITY with NO interpretation needed that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of the Father on the DAY that God resurrected his Son and GAVE the Son of MAN eternal life never to die again. But if you do then you create yet another CONTRADICTION between your own personal private INTERPRETATION and the clear word of God, which plainly states in 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that there was only ONE in heaven, who has always possessed IMMORTALITY in himself. And that ONE is the INVISIBLE God, which the Bible itself ALWAYS identifies as being the FATHER. And clearly Jesus is NOT the FATHER.

1 Timothy 6:13-16.


I give you charge in the sight of God, who quickens all things, AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14. That you keep this commandment (or that you keep this teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15. Which in his times (speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate (the ONLY Almighty Sovereign God), the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16. WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach unto; WHOM NO MAN has seen, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”


Clearly the scriptures teach us that Jesus came to show us the FATHER.

Clearly men have SEEN Jesus and will see him at his second coming.

So then, the WHO being spoke of in this verse that Jesus came to SHOW us, is the FATHER who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY.


Now, if so be, that one INTERPRETS that Jesus preexisted as God's eternal divine Son in eternity past WITH the God AT his SIDE, and that the Son of God was GIVEN immortality in eternity past, as some claim, then that would make TWO eternal divine beings in eternity past, which CONTRADICTS 1 Timothy 6:13-16 that we just read where ONLY the one true invisible God, whom no man has seen nor can see has immortality.


Another reason of why I myself believe that Jesus preexisted WITHIN the God and NOT WITH God AT his SIDE is that I already believe that everything that is created was created by Yahweh alone and by himself when he SPOKE his creations into existed where BEFORE he created them they only existed in his THOUGHTS WITHIN himself as his desire to bring them forth into existence. 

Please read Genesis 1:3.


And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”


Pretty simple to understand and believe. Most every Christian ALREADY believes this SIMPLE truth. God first desired light to be within himself as his thoughts, which he painted in his mind as an IMAGE, and then God SPOKE the IMAGE of light he had within himself into existence where light never existed before except WITHIN the God as his THOUGHTS and desire for light to be brought forth into existence.

In other words, the word or the LOGOS was WITHIN God in the form of his yet unspoken THOUGHTS of light to be. But there was no light with the God UNTIL God SPOKE forth his LOGOS, his word, his SAYING out from his mouth.

Let us read Isaiah 55:8-11.


For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD.

9. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

10. For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, and returns not thither, but waters the earth, and makes it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it(My spoken word or logos coming forth out from my mouth) shall not return unto me void, but it(My spoke word coming forth out from my mouth) shall accomplish that which I please, and it(My spoken word or logos coming forth out from my mouth) shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it(My spoken word or logos coming forth out from my mouth).”


Now let us read John 1:1 from the LITERAL translation.


In original was the SAYING and the SAYING was toward the God and God was the SAYING.”


Now let us compare this with Genesis 1:3 by using similar wording as we find in John 1:1.


In original was the SAYING and the SAYING was toward the God and LIGHT was the SAYING.”


In other words, the SAYING or the logos coming forth out of the mouth of God in Genesis 1:3 was LIGHT BE. And then AFTER God SPOKE his desire that was WITHIN himself SAYING, LIGHT be, then the spoken logos, the word, the SPIRIT, brought light into existence where light never existed before except within the God as his THOUGHTS and desires to one day create LIGHT. In other words, the living word, the living SPIRIT became light.

Jesus spoke the words of God and Jesus said that the words he spoke to us are SPIRIT. He went on to teach us that the Spirit quickens or makes alive and the his words are life, meaning eternal life, but also that God's word is ALIVE. Spirit is LIVING, but more than just being alive, Spirit is the SOURCE of all life. And THE God is SPIRIT.

John 6:63.

It is the SPIRIT that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.”


So then, in the VERY VERY beginning was God alone by himself with no one with him at his side. God was alone with only his THOUGHTS WITHIN himself. And then when God brought forth his very first creation in the beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was with THE God and LIGHT was the SAYING. And the word BECAME LIGHT.

Now go back to John 1:1 and SEE this SAME thing happening that took place in Genesis 1:3. And God SAID, God BE and the word became God. But before the word became God the word became FLESH.

The spoken logos did not become THE God, but rather THE God SPOKE forth his logos from out of his mouth and the SPIRIT, the living SAYING of THE God caused “A” God to be brought into existence where he never existed before except WITHIN the God as an IMAGE within himself to one day beget an eternal Son to rule as Elohim or as God FOR him while he rests DURING the SEVENTH day, the seventh 1000 year long day of the Lord where Jesus is the Lord of the SABBATH rest of Yahweh his God and Father.


Now I know that there are several verses that SEEM to be saying that Jesus came down from heaven, but I assure you that ALL of those verses can be INTERPRETED in another way that agrees with the WHOLE word of God without any contradictions. And I will cover each and every one of those verses at the end of this study.

In other words, there is NO need to fabricate a doctrine that has absolutely NO scripture to support it. This fabricated man-made doctrine that I am referring to is the doctrine of the deity of Jesus, which dogmatically demands that Jesus had to have TWO natures, one divine and one human to explain how an ETERNAL divine being could die on the cross. But yet they given NO scriptures to even try to prove their man-made doctrine. They simply dogmatically demand that you believe it, because they said so. They say it is a MYSTERY and we just have to believe it even if it makes no sense to us.

And some even make it a matter of SALVATION saying that you are dead in your sins if you do NOT believe that Jesus is deity now after his resurrection, that Jesus was deity during the days of his flesh, and that Jesus has always been deity in eternity past.


Now I myself believe and teach that Jesus is deity NOW AFTER the cross and his resurrection. In other words, I believe that the Bible teaches us the Jesus BECAME deity when his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN and the Father gave him all power and the divine nature of IMMORTALITY.

It is all right there in the scriptures easy to see and easy to comprehend to those Christians, who are willing to lay aside their church denominational teaching of Jesus being a God/man being fully divine and fully human at the same time long enough to allow the Holy Spirit to teach them the truth of the whole word of God.


Again let us STAY with what the Bible ITSELF teaches us through PROPHECY. Let us read some more prophecy to see HOW Jesus came into being.

Please read Isaiah 7:14-16.


Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a SIGN; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his NAME Immanuel. (which is interpreted as God WITH us)

15. Butter and honey shall he eat, that (or so that) he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. (showing us that the Son of man would learn from God's word to know to refuse evil and choose only good and that Jesus has a free will or his own will)

16. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, (the shows us that Jesus LEARNED the word of God before God anointed him to preach the kingdom was at hand) the land that you abhor shall be forsaken of both her kings.”


Again the last part was part of a dual prophecy that was fulfilled before Jesus was conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary. God HID these prophecies for a reason, for had the enemy known who Jesus was and WHY the Son of MAN must suffer and die they would have never crucified the Lord of glory.

Here we see that Jesus would be a SIGN and that one way to recognize the SIGN of the Messiah was that he would be born of a VIRGIN, who did not know, as is, have intercourse with, any man, but yet a child would be CONCEIVED in her womb without knowing any man.

Lets us now read Isaiah 9:6,7.


For unto us a CHILD is BORN, unto us a SON is GIVEN: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”


Now most all Christians understand that the word of God prophesies of TWO comings of Jesus, his FIRST coming to suffer and die on the cross and be resurrected from the dead, and his SECOND coming to rule and reign for a 1000 years in the world yet to come.

But what some Christians have not seen as yet is that this prophecy of Jesus teaches us that FIRST a CHILD will be BORN. This was fulfilled in Luke, which we will read in a moment. THEN Isaiah says that after the CHILD is BORN, then a SON would be GIVEN. And then AFTER the Son is GIVEN the Son will reign, but we know that this has not been fulfilled and will not be fulfilled until the SECOND coming of Jesus. So then, at the first coming of Jesus a CHILD was born FIRST, who would become to be called the Son of God, and then a SON is GIVEN.

Now let us read Luke 1:26-45.


And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27. TO a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.(Here we see that God sent a MESSENGER to the VIRGIN Mary with a MESSAGE)

28. And the angel came in unto her, and SAID (or the messenger which was sent down from heaven from God SPOKE God's MESSAGE to the virgin Mary), Hail, you that are highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women.

29. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his SAYING, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30. And the angel SAID unto her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God. (or the messenger of God SPOKE God's word of logos TO the virgin Mary SAYING or PROPHESYING)

31. And, behold, YOU SHALL CONCEIVE IN YOUR WOMB, and bring forth a SON (or a male CHILD), and shall call his name JESUS. (so this teaches us that the FIRST part of the prophecy of Isaiah 9:6 of a CHILD being BORN is being fulfilled)

32. He SHALL BE great, and SHALL BE called the Son of the Highest: (here we see the second part of Isaiah 9:6 being PROPHESIED again showing us that this male child will grow up to be great and then he shall be called the Son of the Highest or the Son of God) AND the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: (then we see after Jesus will be called the Son of God the remainder of the prophecy of Isaiah 9:6,7 being prophesied again.)

33 And he SHALL reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35. And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost SHALL COME upon you, and the power of the Highest SHALL overshadow you: therefore also that holy THING which SHALL BE BORN of you SHALL BE called the Son of God. (so then here we clearly see that the CHILD must be BORN of the virgin FIRST, before the child will grow up and become great to be called the SON OF God. And then AFTER the child is grown and is called the SON OF God, then God will give his Son power and authority to rule in his Father's kingdom, which is yet to be fulfilled. Remember that the words of God are SPIRIT that gives LIFE. So the SEED of God implanted in the womb of Mary was God's SPOKE LOGOS, which Mary BELIEVED. And once Mary BELIEVED that spoke LOGOS was CONCEIVED in her womb to produce a male embryo, that holy THING, which would be BORN as a human child, the Son of MAN, who would grow up to become great and then be called the SON OF God.)

36. And, behold, your cousin Elisabeth, she has also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37. For with God nothing SHALL BE be impossible. (the messenger of God is building Mary's FAITH)

38. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; BE IT unto me ACCORDING to your word. And the angel departed from her. (once the angel saw Mary's FAITH he departed)

39. And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Judah;

40. And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42. And she spoke out with a loud voice (being full of the Holy Spirit), and said, Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.

43. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? (not the mother of THE one true and only Almighty God himself, but rather the mother of our Lord and savior Jesus the CHRIST, the one who would be ANOINTED by Almighty God in the fullness of time.)

44. For, lo, as soon as the voice of your salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45. And blessed is she that BELIEVED: for (or because you have BELIEVED God's LOGOS and have submitted your womb to bear his child.) there shall be a performance of those things which were TOLD (or the LOGOS of God SPOKEN to) her FROM the Lord.”


So then, this is HOW the LOGOS, the spoken word, the SAYING of God came out from God's mouth and CAME DOWN from heaven to BECOME FLESH and dwell among men.

SIMPLE and easy to understand. With no MYSTERY attached to it. In other words, if you can believe that God alone and by himself creates everything by or through his SPOKEN word, his SAYING, his speech coming out from his mouth, then you can easily believe that God SPOKE his Son into existence in the womb of the virgin Mary to be BORN a male human CHILD void of any divine nature, who would grow up to become great after he was ANOINTED with God's holy Spirit DWELLING IN him and then be called the SON OF God.

Let us read Isaiah 44:24,25.


Thus says the LORD, your redeemer, and he that formed you from the WOMB, I am the LORD that makes ALL things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;

25. That frustrates the tokens (or EVIDENCE) of the LIARS, and makes diviners mad (one of the meanings diviners is those who speak the OPPOSITE of God's word of truth. The word mad means to boast and thus be shown to be foolish); that turns wise men backward, and makes their knowledge foolish;”


Some Christians esteem what their church denomination teaches them over what the clear, plain, and simple word of God teaches us. In other words, they are teaching LIES thinking that they are teaching the truth. For example some Christians teach that Jesus himself created all things totally ignoring Isaiah 44:24 and thus dogmatically demand that Jesus IS Yahweh himself.

 I myself believe that verse 25 above is a prophesy speaking of those Christians, who twist God's word to make it say what it is NOT TRULY saying. All the verses in the New Testament that SEEM to be saying that Jesus created all things have a logical interpretation that does NOT contradict Isaiah 44:24. Please read the study EPHESIANS 3:9-11 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?. In this study I cover ALL the verse like Colossians 1:15-17 that SEEM to be saying that Jesus himself is the creator of all things.

But for now let us get back to the PROPHECIES of Jesus to see how he grew up and became great.

Please read Isaiah 50:4-7.


The Lord GOD has given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakens morning by morning (the Holy Spirit speaks to me in the early morning hours when I first wake up so I can see how Jesus growing up and even after he was anointed was awakened every morning and the Holy Spirit taught him the scriptures and how the logos spoke of him.), he wakens mine ear to hear as the learned.

5. The Lord GOD has opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back.

6. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

7. For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.”


Then in Luke 2:40 we read where God is fulfilling this prophecy of Jesus.


And the child grew, and waxed (or grew) strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”


This was spoken of Jesus when he was 12 years old. We are not specifically told anything in the New Testament of what took place in the life of Jesus between the time he was twelve years old to the time of his baptism around the age of thirty. But we can assume that he continued to grow even stronger in spirit being filled with more and more wisdom of God as the Holy Spirit awakened him morning after morning talking to him show him that the scriptures spoke of him.

Let us now read the prophecy of Jesus being ANOINTED by God and then we will read it's fulfillment.

Please read Isaiah 42:1-9.


Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect (or my chosen one), in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5. Thus says God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6. I the LORD have called YOU in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and GIVE YOU for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; (Here we see the CHILD now grown and ANOINTED with God's Spirit who is now GIVEN to the people. First to preach the kingdom is at hand. Then to suffer and die on the cross for our sins. The latter part of this prophecy is yet being fulfilled by the BODY of Jesus the Christ, the anointed one of God. Jesus himself preached to the Jews, but the words of Jesus are a light unto the Gentiles)

7. To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. (Here we see that God will not share his glory with any other than his elect one, his Son Jesus)

9. Behold, the FORMER THINGS things are come to pass, and NEW THINGS do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”


Here we see God PROPHESYING that things are about to change from the way they used to be. The FORMER things will come to and end, because I am about to do NEW THINGS that I have not done in the former things.

And one of those NEW things is that I am going to share my glory with one whom I will choose. He SHALL BE my SON and I WILL be to him a Father. I will highly exalt my Son to become a God to rule for me at my right hand side. Also never before had the Holy Spirit ever REMAINED upon nor DWELT IN any man before Jesus, so this as well was a NEW thing.

Now let us read in Luke 4:14-21 where Jesus reads this passage of scripture from Isaiah saying in the ears of those who heard him, this day is this scripture FULFILLED in your ears.

Luke 4:14-21.


And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee (Jesus just return after being baptize by John the baptist and the Holy Spirit descended down from heaven and remained upon Jesus): and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. (shortly after this time Jesus became great and his fame spread rapidly)

15. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me (or he has COMMISSIONED me) to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”


This was the BEGINNING of the ministry of Jesus when Jesus BEGAN to expound and reveal little by little who he was.

And in all that Jesus said he never once called himself Almighty God. He never once said that he was equal with God. He never once said he preexisted with the God at his side. And Jesus never once said that he was a God/man being fully God and a human being at the same time having two natures, one divine and one human.

All the prophecies of Jesus never once prophesy of God the Son coming down from heaven to manifest himself to become a human being but yet remain the fully divine Son of God having two natures one divine and one human.


The clear plain and simple word of God states that the word, the LOGOS, the SAYING BECAME FLESH in John 1:14.

Here is the LITERAL translation of John 1:14.

And the SAYING flesh became...


Now I myself say that John 1:14 simply means exactly was it says, which is the “LOGOS” the SPOKEN word, the SAYING of God became flesh and NOT that God the God came down from heaven and became a God/man having two natures as some Christians INTERPRET John 1:14 to mean.


Again as for all the verses that SEEM to say that Jesus came down from heaven or preexisted with God at his side they all can be interpreted in other ways, which do NOT contradict any other part of God's word.

Please read the following studies that explain the ERRORS of interpretation of those verses in question. Below is a list of all the verse that I myself have been made aware of by others, who struggle with these verses only being able to see what they have been TAUGHT by their church denomination that these verses must without fail mean.

Now some of these verses will be in blue type being underline, which are LINKS to an in depth study on that particular verse or to a study cover all the verses. If there is no link, then at the very end I will briefly expound on another meaning of those verses. All I ask is that you KEEP the above study, which you just read in mind as you read, what I myself believe are the correct interpretations of all the verses that SEEM to be saying that Jesus came down from heaven or preexisted in heaven WITH God AT his SIDE fro all eternity past.


SECTION TWO

             Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.

             Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

             Mark.

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!


JOHN 1:1-3


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” 


JOHN 3:13


And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


JOHN 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 


JOHN 3:31


He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.


JOHN 6:32 


         “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven


JOHN 6:33 


 For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”


JOHN 6:38


For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”


JOHN 6:42 

And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?


JOHN 6:50 

 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


JOHN 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


JOHN 6:58

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.


JOHN 6:62 


What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


JOHN 8:14


Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”


JOHN 8:23 


And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”


JOHN 8:24


I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.


JOHN 8:42,43

        “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 
        43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.



JOHN 8:58


Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”


JOHN 16:28 


I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


JOHN 17:5


And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”


JOHN 17:8 


For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.



JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)


Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”


ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)


For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”


1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)


And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”


1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)


The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”


2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)


For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”


GALATIANS 4:4


But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”


EPHESIANS 3:9-11


And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”


EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)


Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”


COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)


Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”


HEBREWS 1:2


Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”


Hebrews 2:16,17


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”


Hebrews 5:8


Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”


HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)


Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7


PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8


Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”


1 John 1:1,2

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)


REVELATION 3:14 


And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”


MICAH 5:2


But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


GENESIS 1:26



And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”


PROVERBS 8:22-31



The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”



Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immauel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.