HOW DID JESUS BECOME JESUS?

 

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HOW DID JESUS

BECOME

JESUS?


We, as Christians, all know and agree that Jesus is called the Word of God in Revelation 19:13.


And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his NAME is called The Word of God.”


And we all know and agree that Jesus was called the LIVING Word or the Word of LIFE in 1 John 1:1,2.


That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of LIFE;

2. (For the LIFE was MANIFESTED, and we have seen IT , and bear witness, and show unto you that ETERNAL LIFE, which was WITH the Father, and was MANIFESTED unto us;)”


And of course most every Christian is familiar with the two famous verses in John 1:1 and John 1:14.


John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”


Now from these three passages of scripture we have come see that before Jesus became Jesus he existed or PREEXISTED in the FORM of God, or more precisely as the Word OF God, which is LIFE itself, as if HOW the living God GIVES life to what HE himself creates. The life itself is SPIRIT, or is God HIMSELF, And God HIMSELF is not just merely life, but ETERNAL LIFE having always been IMMORTAL having SELF existing LIFE or IMMORTALITY in HIMSELF.

 And then we see that this LIFE that is WITHIN the one true God comes OUT FROM God as his LIVING Word when God creates and gives LIFE or breath to HIS creation. So then, God himself manifested itself to become FLESH to dwell among mankind BY speaking forth his living Word out from his mouth. This is what the WHOLE word of God teaches us.

But theses three passages of scripture alone and by their self do not tell us HOW the living Word BECAME FLESH.

In other words, these three passages of scripture alone and by their self do NOT answer the following questions:

Was the Living Word a separate divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH the God AT God's side. And then Living Word, being a separated divine being, talked back and forth with THE God?

Or was the living word a part or a component OF the ONE TRUE God like our speech is a PART us. And like us our own thoughts speak within us as our thoughts develop within us, so did God's OWN living word as his THOUGHTS converse WITHIN the one true and only living God?


Now some Christians INTERPRET these three passages of scripture APART from the REST of God's word to say that the Word was a SEPARATE divine eternal being, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE from all eternity past. Some say that the Word was God's eternally begotten Son named the Word in eternity past, whom THE God sent down from heaven into the world in the fullness of time, and then that the eternal divine SON became flesh, BUT yet remained the fully DIVINE Almighty God at the SAME time having TWO natures, one divine and one human.

And then they INTERPRET all other verses BASED upon their own personal INTERPRETATION of these above three passages of scripture, which they interpreted first apart from the rest of God's word. In other words, they ASSUMED or theorized that God MUST be a trinity and THEN st out to try and prove their THEORY that God is a trinity God being three SEPARATE persons in the one true God.


But what I am going to show you, my readers, who are TRULY seeking to know the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of God, is that God's SON did not become FLESH, but rather Yahweh, Almighty God HIMSELF became FLESH, by SPEAKING his Son into existence. In other words, God spoke forth his very own living word out from his mouth and his life producing living word became FLESH.

The word did not become DIVINE flesh, but rather the spoken living word was made to become human FLESH as the Bible ITSELF plainly states with NO interpretation needed. Please read the study WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?, and WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE MEAN?, which gives all the verses that clearly show us that Yahweh himself becomes who and what he creates, but for now let us see WHO the Bible itself teaches us MANIFESTED himself to become FLESH.

Please read 1 Timothy 3:16.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was MANIFEST in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”


Please notice that the Bible ITSELF teaches us that it was God, who MANIFESTED HIMSELF in the FLESH and NOT the SON OF God who manifested himself in the FLESH. So then, the living word that became FLESH was God himself, as is, a part of God, or a component of God like our own voice and speech is a part of who we are. Our voice does not speak on it's OWN power, ability or intelligence. We ourselves are in control of our OWN spoken words.

Now we all can agree that Jesus taught us that he came to SHOW us the FATHER. Jesus did not come to speak of himself, to glorify himself, or to reveal himself. But rather Jesus came to show us the Father to be the ONE TRUE God and himself, as being God's SON, whom the Father COMMISSIONED. The Greek word translated as SENT also means to commission. The word commission means to give power and authority to one to accomplish the task that was set before them.

The word “manifest” has several meanings. It can be APPEAR to, as in, God APPEARED in the FLESH. The word manifest can also mean to become, to be made to appear, as in, God himself became FLESH. But this word also means the SHOW, to make clearly known, to REVEAL, as in, God REVEALED HIMSELF in the a human body of FLESH.


Now the only way that one can make or force this verse we just read in 1 Timothy 3:16 to say that it was the SON OF God, who was manifest in the flesh is to prove that the Bible ITSELF teaches us that Jesus HIMSELF is one and the self same being as Almighty God the FATHER, which would CONTRADICT the doctrine of the trinity that plainly states that Jesus is NOT the FATHER. Please read the studies WHO IS JESUS?, and IS JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD?, but for now I would like you to humor me for a moment and CONSIDER with me that the Word was NOT a SEPARATE person, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE in eternity past as being God's eternal divine SON as some Christians dogmatically demand.

But rather I want you to see directly from God's word, as in, the WHOLE word of God and not just verses taken OUT of CONTEXT, that the word that existed WITH the God in the beginning was God's yet UNSPOKEN word that was WITHIN the God, which then came out from God's MOUTH to create all that is created including the begetting of his Son Jesus. Plain and simple Yahweh is the only creator and the WAY in which Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF creates all things is by SPEAKING them into existence. This will be clearly shown to you by the WHOLE word of Almighty God as you continue this study in God's word.

Before I show you these three passages of scripture having the Greek word "LOGOS" translated as Word with a capital "W" from a LITERAL word for word translations, I want you to read Isaiah 44:24, which clearly teaches us that Yahweh was ALONE when he created all things.


Thus SAYS the LORD (or thus says YAHWEH), your redeemer, and HE that FORMED YOU from the WOMB, I am the LORD (or I am YAHWEH) that makes ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;”


So from this and many other verses throughout the Old Testament is is made perfectly clear to us that YAHWEH, Almighty God HIMSELF, created ALL things BY HIMSELF being ALONE.with no one WITH him AT his side helping him to create all things or creating all things FOR him while Yahweh sat and watched. Some Christians teach that God begat his SON first in eternity past and then his SON created all things. But this is NOT what the WHOLE word of God teaches us as you will see very plainly as you continue this study in God's word. Also please read the study called "EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?", which covers all the verses in the New Testament like Colossians 1:15-17 that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus, the SON OF God, is the creator, who created all things, but for now let us continue this study.

But HOW did Yahweh himself ALONE and BY HIMSELF create ALL things? Let us go to Genesis 1:3 and find out what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY.

Genesis 1:3


And God SAID, Let there BE light: and there was light.”


Or God SPOKE forth the words out from his mouth SAYING, Let there BE light: and there was light or light came into existence by or through his spoken living word coming out from his mouth. God created light BY SPEAKING light into existence. This is easy to believe, because most every Christians already believes that God SAID, Light BE and light became. What God SAID became what God SAID. Let us read one more translation of Genesis 1:3 before we read the LITERAL word for word translation.

Here is Genesis 1:3 from the Douay-Rheims Bible


And God SAID: Be light MADE. And light was MADE.”


In other words, the SPOKEN word of God coming out from God's mouth was MADE to become light. And God SAID, be light made and light was MADE. The word was MADE light. Sound familiar? The word was MADE FLESH. John 1:14 does NOT say that the SON OF God was made flesh, but rather the clear, plain, and simple word of God states in simplicity that the word was MADE flesh and dwelt among us.

John 1:14


And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”


In other words, and God SAID, be flesh MADE and flesh was MADE. What did God's spoken words of PROPHECY say? Did God prophesy that he would send down his eternally begotten SON from heaven to manifest himself into a human being but yet REMAIN the fully divine eternal SON of God having TWO natures at the SAME time, on divine and one human? Show me the PROPHECIES! It cannot be done, because there are no such prophecies. Please read the study "HOW DID JESUS PREEXIST?" for all the prophecies of God himself raising up a MAN like Moses to be his Prophet and that we are to hearken to the words of the Son of MAN, who would be called the Son of God. But for now let us continue this study.

Now let us read the LITERAL translation of Genesis 1:3.


And he is SAYING Elohim he shall become light and he is becoming light.”


Or God he is SAYING that HE himself shall become light and HE himself is becoming light. So from this one verse alone and apart from the rest of God's word one could INTERPRET the “HE” here as the LIVING WORD. Or one could INTERPRET the “HE” hear as Yahweh HIMSELF, in that, Yahweh HIMSELF is becoming what ever Yahweh SPEAKS forth out from his mouth. Or one could INTERPRET the “HE” here as SPIRIT becoming whatever Yahweh himself SPEAKS forth out from his own mouth. Or one could interpret the “HE” here as the IMAGE of God, which God IMAGINED within himself to be MADE or brought forth into existence. 

But before we jump to a wrong conclusion or ANY conclusion just yet, let us read some more of God's word first and then we can draw a correct conclusion based upon the WHOLE word of God rather than theory, or verse taken out of their context.

Please read Isaiah 55:8-11.


For my THOUGHTS are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD.

9. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my THOUGHTS than your thoughts.

10. For AS the rain COMES DOWN, and the snow FROM HEAVEN, and returns not thither, but waters the earth, and makes it bring forth and bud, that it may give SEED to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11. SO shall my word BE that goes FORTH OUT of my MOUTH: IT (Yahweh's spoken living word that has gone forth out from his mouth) shall not return unto me void, but IT (Yahweh's spoken living word that has gone forth out from his mouth) shall accomplish that which I please, and IT (Yahweh's spoken living word that has gone forth out from his mouth) shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent IT.(Yahweh's spoken living word that has gone forth out from his mouth)


It other words, God first THINKS, IMAGINES, or forms an IMAGE in his THOUGHTS with himself or WITHIN himself as to what he himself alone and by himself wants to create. And then God SPEAKS forth that IMAGE that is WITHIN HIMSELF that is in the form of his THOUGHTS OUT from within himself. This is when the IMAGE that was in himself begins to agitate, to vibrate, to move, to stir, to take shape, to MORPH into the CODE printed in the living word as the IMAGE of what God desires to bring forth into existence. 

To say this another way once that IMAGE that God formed within himself is SPOKEN forth out from himself is when what God SAID begins to MANIFEST into what God SAID.

Plain and simple the IMAGE on the inside of God becomes ALIVE, comes to PASS, or is brought forth into existence only AFTER God speaks forth those images out from his mouth as his DNA coded WORDS. Then that spoken word containing the DNA code of what God desires to bring forth into existence coming out from the mouth of God comes down from heaven as the rain comes down out of heaven to the earth to water and bring forth SEED just like Isaiah 55:8-11 teaches us.

Jesus teaches us in the parable of the sower sowing seed that the SEED being planted in the hearts of men is the WORD of God. And then Jesus said if we do not UNDERSTAND this parable, then HOW came we understand ANY parable or teaching of God?

Please read Luke 8:11.


Now the parable is this: The SEED IS the the WORD OF God.


Mark 4:13.


And he said unto them, Know you NOT THIS parable (or Know you NOT what THIS teaching means)? And HOW then will you know all parables?”



When we SPEAK forth God's word out from our mouth and then that spoken word of God is believed by the hearer of that spoken word, then that LIVING word of God is PERFORMED by God himself. The spoken word is manifested. The spoken word comes to pass at is was SAID or spoken by God. God himself confirms his word.

Now when God HIMSELF speaks forth his very own word out from his mouth it does NOT have to be believed by anyone except for Yahweh himself to have faith in his own words for them to come to pass, be fulfilled, or be manifested.

We ourselves, as born again Christians, were BORN again BY the spoken word of God called the incorruptable SEED.

Please read 1 Peter 1:-23.


But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 

         20.  Who verily was foreordained (or PROPHESIED to BE) before the foundation of the world, BUT was MANIFEST in these LAST TIMES for you, (God SPOKE his foreordained words of PROPHECY before the foundations of the world, BUT the prophecies concerning Jesus were NOT MANIFESTED of brought to pass UNTIL these LAST TIMES. The word times is plural, because the prophecies concerning Jesus are not all fulfilled as yet. This is why Jesus is called the word OF God. The SCRIPTURES speak of Jesus. This is why Jesus said that not one jot or tittle of God's word will pass away until ALL be fulfilled, which is at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus when the heavens and the earth will pass away and God himself then completes his NEW CREATION for the righteous in Jesus to inherit for all eternity.)
         21.  Who by him (Jesus) do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
         22.  Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently:
         23.  Being BORN again, not of corruptible SEED, but OF incorruptible (SEED), BY the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.


When we HEARD the gospel of truth, the word OF God spoken to us, and we BELIEVED the word of TRUTH that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF the living God, then we were BORN a NEW creature by our faith IN God's Son.

Now let us read Exodus 3:14 first from the King James Bible Version and then we will read the LITERAL word for word translation.

Exodus 3:14.


And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.”


Now some say that God's NAME is I AM, because Moses asked God in the previous verse, WHO shall I say sent me if they ask me your NAME? And then they interpret “I AM” to be God's NAME out of CONTEXT using only verse 13 and 14. In other words, they leave out verse 15 where God says that Yahweh is his name forever.

Here is Exodus 3:13-15 from the LITERAL translation.


And he is saying Moses to the Elohim behold I coming to sons of Israel and I say to them Elohim of father's of you he sends me to you and they say to me what name of him what I shall say to them?

14. And he is saying Elohim to Moses I SHALL BECOME WHO I AM BECOMING and he is saying thus you shall say to sons of Israel I SHALL BECOME he sent me to you.

15. And he is saying FURTHER Elohim to Moses thus you shall say to the sons of Israel YAHWEH Elohim of fathers of you Elohim of Abraham, Elohim of Isaac, Elohim of Jacob, he sent me to you, THIS is NAME of me for eon and this remembrance of me for generation generation.”


God's NAME is Yahweh and NOT I AM. The I AM is what God DOES when he creates. Yahweh BECOMES who or what he shall become. In other words, when God SPEAKS forth his word out from his mouth and the IMAGE programmed into his spoken words SHALL BECOME what and WHO the IMAGE of his word is BECOMING.

God's words are SPIRIT and God is SPIRIT and there is but ONE SPIRIT. So then, God and his word are ONE and the SELF same eternal SPIRIT. 

But what or who God BECOMES is NOT Yahweh himself, but rather what the IMAGE OF God's spoken word becomes it was CREATED out of SPIRIT. where God laid aside, emptied, or stripped away ALL of what is God except for the BREATH of LIFE in the thing or the who that God himself alone and by himself creates. To say this another way is to say that ALL of God is SPIRIT, God's word is Spirit, but God's spoken word is NOT ALL of God, in that, the IMAGE created does NOT possess DIVINE NATURE and all that God IS.

You see dear child of God, Jesus was NOT ALL KNOWING, but his God and Father, the one true God IS all knowing. Please read the study "19THINGS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!", which give more that 30 scriptures that show the errors of INTERPRETATION made by those who dogmatically demand that Jesus was fully Almighty God himself and the Son of man at the SAME time having TWO natures, one divine and one human. Let us continue.

There is MORE to God than just his words. God's spoken words, which are Spirit having LIFE producing ability in them is the SUBSTANCE, the DNA CODE, or the building blocks of things desire by Yahweh to be brought forth into existence. It is God's EVIDENCE of what WILL BE. God knows the end FROM the beginning, because God SPOKE the end from the very beginning. The end has it's ORIGIN from the beginning. God SAID it and what God SAID will BE.

Please read Hebrews 11:1-3.


Now FAITH is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for (or things DESIRED to BE), the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN.

2. For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were FRAMED BY the word of God, so that things which are seen were NOT made of things which do appear.


In other words, God BELIEVES that what he SPOKE forth out from his mouth would be MADE, formed, created, brought into existence, come to pass just as he SAID. We also see that what God creates was not made from things which already existed, as in, things which can be SEEN. But rather God creates what is seen from what is NOT SEEN, the INVISIBLE.

To say this another way, this verse is not saying that God created all things out of NOTHING, but rather that God creates all things out of that which is INVISIBLE to man. Now you put all these verses together and Yahweh, who IS SPIRIT, creates all things out OF HIMSELF, the INVISIBLE ETERNAL SPIRIT, who ONLY has always had LIFE IN himself in eternity past without ever having a beginning.

The Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that the ONLY one, who has self existed WITHOUT ever have a beginning is the eternal INVISIBLE Spirit, who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY or eternal LIFE in himself.

Please read 1 Timothy 6:13-16.


I give you charge in the sight of God, WHO quickens all things (or who makes alive or gives LIFE to ALL things), AND before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; (here we see that God himself alone is the creator of ALL things, the one who alone gives breath and life to his creation)

14. That you keep this commandment (or I give you CHARGE before Almighty God the Father our creator AND before his SON Jesus that you KEEP this teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

         15. Which in his times (speaking of both the first and second comings of Jesus) HE (Jesus) shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate (the word Potentate means soveriegn or over all, the ALMIGHTY. So Jesus was commission by his God and Father to SHOW us WHO this one true and ONLY Almighty God is, as in, the one true God's character), the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16. WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY , dwelling in the light which NO MAN can approach unto; whom NO MAN has SEE, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.”


So then, from this passage of scripture we clearly see that there was only ONE eternal Spirit, who ONLY has always possessed IMMORTALITY or eternal LIFE in himself never having a beginning.

Therefore to ME any INTERPRETATION that says Jesus preexisted as a SEPARATE divine eternal being who was WITH THE God AT the God's SIDE in eternity past CONTRADICTS 1 Timothy 6:13-16, which clearly and plainly teaches us in simplicity that ONLY the ONE TRUE INVISIBLE God, who created ALL things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, has always possessed IMMORTALITY in himself in eternity past.

We also know from John 5:26,27 that Almighty God the Father GAVE TO the Son of MAN TO HAVE life in himself EVEN AS the Father has always had life IN HIMSELF.

Please read John 5:26,27.


For AS the Father HAS life IN HIMSELF (who ONLY has always had IMMORTALITY); so has he GIVEN TO the Son TO HAVE life in himself;

27. AND has GIVEN him authority to execute judgment ALSO, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.”



Not because Jesus was God himself. Not because Jesus was the Son of God. Not because Jesus was a God/man having two natures, one divine and one human. But BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN, who became obedient to do all his God and Father gave him to do even to suffer and die a cruel death on the cross for the sins of the world. Philippians 2:8-11 clearly teaches us that the very reason of WHY God HIGHLY EXALTED his Son Jesus was BECAUSE the Son of MAN became OBEDIENT to do all the will of the Father even to die on the cross.

Philippians 2:8-11.


And being found in fashion as a MAN, he (Jesus, the Son of MAN) humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9. WHEREFORE (or for this VERY REASON of the Son of MAN becoming OBEDIENT unto death even to die on the cross) God also has HIGHLY EXALTED, and (or and has also) given him a NAME which is above every name:

10. That at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”


It is AT the SECOND coming or the return of Jesus that EVERY knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus, the anointed one of God is Lord over the earth. Even the angels will worship Jesus as Lord over them during the 1000 year reign of Jesus, when God bring AGAIN his FIRSTBORN from the dead into the word at the second coming of Jesus.

Please read Hebrews 1:6.


Being MADE so much BETTER than the angels (remember that the Son of MAN was made lower or inferior to the angels. Therefore these verses are speaking AFTER the Son of MAN was HIGHLY EXALTED and GIVEN a NAME above every other name to now be made BETTER that the angels), AS he has BY INHEITANCE OBTAINED a more excellent NAME than they.

5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY day have I begotten you? And again (or further it is written in PROPHECY), I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a Son? (In other words, the writer of Hebrews is saying that all of this that was PROPHESIED in the word of God concerning a child being born of a woman and then a Son being given to die for the sins of the world has been FULFILLED in Jesus beginning at the virgin birth and completed at his death and resurrection being HIGHLY EXALTED to become God's ETERNAL divine Son to rule and reign FOR Yahweh during the SEVENTH 1000 year long day of the Lord while Yahweh rests)

6. And again (or it is also written in PROPHECY that has not yet been fulfilled, but this prophecy says), WHEN he brings in the FIRSTBEGOTTEN into the world,(speaking of the return or the second coming of Jesus yet to be fulfilled) he says, And let all the angels of God worship him.”



Now please read Psalm 89:26-29, which the writer of the book of Hebrews is quoting.

Psalm 89:26-19.


He SHALL (a prophecy of Jesus saying HE SHALL) cry unto me, You are my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

27. Also I (Yahweh)WILL MAKE him my FIRSTBORN, higher than the kings of the earth.(clearly this is a PROPHECY speaking of Jesus the Son of MAN where God is prophesying that he WILL MAKE Jesus HIS FIRSTBORN and WILL MAKE the Son of man to be HIGHER than the kings of the earth.)

28. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.”


Here in Psalm 89:36-39 we see Yahweh prophesying of his yet coming to be Son, whom he WILL MAKE to become his FIRSTBORN ETERNAL Son. So then, for one to INTERPRET Hebrews 1:6 as God bringing in his FIRST BEGOTTEN into the world to mean that Jesus was as an ALREADY preexisting Son of God, who was begotten of God in eternity past, and that God brings his already begotten Son into the world at the virgin birth to manifest himself to become the Son of MAN is to contradict Psalm 89:36-39.

This verse clearly and plainly teaches us that God WILL MAKE him his FIRSTBORN. And when we interpret all the verses TOGETHER God made Jesus to BECOME his FIRSTBORN of every creature AT the RESURRECTION of Jesus. ALL the angels will not worship Jesus until God bring Jesus BACK into the world AT his SECOND coming.

Please read Revelation 5:10-13 showing us WHEN this prophecy of the angels worshiping Jesus will be fulfilled.

Revelation 5:10-13.


And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we SHALL reign on the earth. (in the worlds yet to come.)

11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12. Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain (so this is AFTER the cross and AFTER God HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN to become God's ETERNAL DIVINE Son) to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.

13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, AND unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”



Now some may argue and say that God did NOT MAKE him his, but rather God made his ALREADY preexisting firstborn from eternity past HIGHER than the kings of the earth.

But mere common sense teaches us that, if so be, Jesus was the FIRSTBORN of every creature in eternity past being with God and who was God, then he would have ALREADY BEEN HIGHER than the kings of the earth being God the Son.

This is why I say so many times that any verse when it is interpreted ALONE and APART from the REST of God's word may SEEM to say or be MADE to say something that it is NOT truly saying when it is CORRECTLY interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God.

So then, according to the WHOLE word of God, the IMAGE of the living word within the God was spoken forth by God and that IMAGE of God's spoken word or SAYING of God became FLESH, the Son of MAN, who was then given the NAME Jesus, which means the salvation OF Yahweh, who would be called the SON OF God.

Then AFTER the Son of Man became obedient unto death on the cross his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN granting him the right to partake of the DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY and also gave his now ETERNAL divine Son all power and authority to JUDGE the fallen angels and the wicked of mankind, BECAUSE he was the Son of MAN, who overcame God's enemy.

So then, Jesus, who came OUT FROM deity to become the Son of MAN, was made to BECAME DEITY AFTER the CROSS, when his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN. And WHEN God brings in his FIRSTBORN into the world at his coming is when Jesus will be worshiped by the angels and every creation in heaven, on earth and under the earth.

Plain and simple God CREATED Jesus. 

Please read Colossians 1:15.

"Who is the IMAGE OF of the invisible God, the firstborn of every CREATURE:"


Now some INTERPRET this verse to mean that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of God in eternity past, in that the SON OF God was BORN in eternity past and NOT CREATED. But this verse says that Jesus was a CREATURE. The New Revised Version and the American Standard Version along with many other Bible translations say that Jesus was the firstborn of every CREATION.

Here is the New Revised Version (NRV) of Colossians 1:15.

"He is the IMAGE OF the invisible God, the firstborn of all CREATION;"


Again some Christians INTERPRET this verse alone and apart from the rest of God's word WITHOUT keeping other verses in mind. They read INTO the text what that want it to say rather than letting God's word interpret itself.

You see dear child of God Jesus was NOT the firstborn of every creation in ETERNITY PAST as some wrongly INTERPRET Colossians 1:15 to mean by taking it OUT of it's CONTEXT. The WHOLE context is speaking of God's NEW CREATION, of which we, who believe in Jesus, are a PART of God's NEW CREATION. So this verse means that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every NEW CREATURE by being the FIRSTBORN from the dead to become God's NEW CREATION.

Please read the CONTEXT of Colossians 1:15.

Colossians 1:12-23.


"Giving thanks unto the Father, which has made US meet (or worthy by the shed blood of Jesus)  to be PARTAKERS of the INHERITANCE of the saints in light: 

         13.  Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
         14.  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
         15.  Who is the IMAGE OF the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (Jesus is the IMAGE OF the one true God, whom God MADE HIM (the IMAGE OF Yahweh himself to become his FIRSTBORN of EVERY creature) 
         16.  For by him were all things created (or BECAUSE of Jesus were the ALL speaking of God's NEW CREATURES created IN Jesus), that are in heaven,(the dead in Jesus Christ who are in heaven awaiting their resurrection to be partakers of the INHERITANCE) and that are in earth,(those of us who remain alive unto the coming of Jesus) visible and invisible (those in heaven in Jesus who we cannot see and those on earth who we can see), whether (this Greek word translated as whether means IF ANY, or and if their be one of the following for awaiting you, then know that they were made possible by Jesus and they are for Jesus. So then if any) they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things (or the ALL) were created by him, and for him:
         17.  And he is before all things (or Jesus is OVER the ALL), and by him all things consist.(or and BECAUSE of Jesus the ALL speaking of US God's NEW CREATION we all are held together or we all STAND firm.) 
         18.  And he is the HEAD of the BODY, the CHURCH: who is the BEGINNING,(the FIRSTBORN of EVERY CREATURE being) the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD; that in all things he might have the preeminence (or being BEFORE or ABOVE or OVER the ALL speaking of the worlds yet to come).
         19.  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
         20.  And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him (the crucified Son of MAN God made peace) to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. (speaking of the ALL who are IN Jesus Christ and NOT the wicked who reject Jesus as the Messiah. The word "THINGS" is NOT in the original text all the way through this entire passage of scripture. The ALL is speaking of US, God's NEW creatures or God's NEW creation who are created IN Jesus Christ BECAUSE OF the shed blood of Jesus. So this entire passage of scripture has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus being the CREATOR 
of ALL THINGS.)
         21.  And YOU, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet NOW has he reconciled
         22.  IN the body of his FLESH through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
         23.  If YOU continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

 

Please read Romans 8:29.


"For whom he (Almighty God) did foreknow, he also did predestine to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (Jesus) might be the FIRSTBORN AMONG MANY BRETHREN."


This does NOT mean that Jesus became the firstborn at his virgin birth to be BORN AMONG his brethren as a fellow human being. But rather this verse means that Jesus BECAME the FIRSTBORN among many brethren, who would come AFTER him by BELIEVING on him.

Hebrews 12:23 teaches us that WE as BELIEVERS are the church of the FIRSTBORN written in heaven.

Hebrews 12:23.

"To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"


Now I said some things earlier that I did not give you scriptures for as yet. I said that the words Jesus spoke were the Father's words and not his own words.

Please read John 7:16.


Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine (or my teaching or my words I speak) is NOT MINE, but HIS that sent me.”


Again the Greek word translated as SENT means COMMISSIONED. God did not send down his already preexisting SON from heaven into the earth, but rather God commissioned the Son of MAN to go out into the world to preach the gospel.

Please read John 17:16.


"AS YOU have sent me INTO the world, EVEN SO (or in the SAME WAY AS you have sent me into the world) have I ALSO sent them INTO the world." 


And we know that WE were NOT sent down from heaven INTO the world, but rather we were sent OUT into the world. Jesus was not SENT into the world until AFTER his baptism in the river Jordan by John the baptist, which is WHEN God ANOINTED the Son of MAN.

The main point that I want you to see right now is that the words Jesus spoke were NOT his OWN words, but rather Jesus spoke the very words of Almighty God the Father.

Now read John 3:27-36.


John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

28. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

29. He that has the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

30. He must increase, but I must decrease.

31. He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all. (there is no doubt that the ORIGIN of Jesus was from above, from heaven, from God himself being UNIQUELY born without an earthly father, but still yet born of and earthly mother. But the question is HOW did Jesus BECOME Jesus? More specifically was the Word a SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being, who was WITH the God AT the God's SIDE, who God then sent down from heaven ALREADY being God's eternal Son, who then manifested HIMSELF to become the Son of MAN. OR was it Yahweh HIMSELF, who manifested HIMSELF by speaking forth his LIVING word out from his MOUTH and the SPIRIT, the word of LIFE itself or himself became flesh and dwelt among us? In other words, did Yahweh manifest HIMSELF in the FLESH or did the SON OF God manifest HIMSELF in the flesh?)

32. And what HE (Jesus or God manifested in the flesh) has seen and heard, that HE (God manifested in the flesh as the Son of MAN named Jesus) testifies; and no man receives his testimony.

33. He that has received his testimony has set to his seal that God is true.

34. For he whom God has sent (or for he whom God has COMMISSIONED) speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35. The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand.

36. He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.”


One more verse to show that the words of Jesus are NOT hos WON words, but they are the words of Almighty God HIMSELF.

Please red John 17:14-17.


" I have given them YOUR WORD; and the world has hated them, because they are NOT OF of the world, EVEN AS I am not of the world

         15.  I pray not that you should take them out of the world, but that you should keep them from the evil.
         16.  They are NOT OF world, EVEN AS I am not of the world.
         17.  Sanctify them through YOUR TRUTH: YOUR WORD is TRUTH."


So then, the words of Jesus ARE the very words of Almighty God the Father. Then Jesus teaches us in John 6:63 that the words he speaks, which are God's words, are SPIRIT and they are LIFE.

John 6:63.


It is the SPIRIT that quickens (or it is the SPIRIT that makes alive or gives LIFE); the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.”


So Jesus is saying that he himself is nothing, but the WORDS he speak are LIFE and if they are believed and obeyed unto the end, then that faithful believer will receive the right to partake of the divine nature of immortality.

So then, the “LOGOS” that was WITH the God is SPIRIT. The word of God is LIFE. The logos of God is his LIVING word that gives LIFE or make alive. God's word is SPIRIT, the source of all life, as in, the HOW that Yahweh himself ALONE and by himself CREATES all things and gives LIFE to them. 

We have already read Isaiah 44:24 where God ALONE and BY HIMSELF created all things. Now let us read Isaiah 42:5,6 where Yahweh is speaking TO his Son Jesus through his WRITTEN word of prophecy teaching the Son of MAN, who he is and what Yahweh's will is for him.

Isaiah 42:5,6.


Thus says God the LORD, (or thus says YAHWEH the Elohim) HE that created the heavens, and stretched them out; HE that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; HE that gives BREATH unto the people upon it, and SPIRIT to them that walk therein:

6. I the LORD (or I YAHWEH) have called YOU in righteousness, and will hold YOUR hand, and will keep YOU, and GIVE YOU for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;”


Now let us compare this with Isaiah 44:24 where again I myself see that Yahweh is speaking TO his Son Jesus through the SCRIPTURES teaching the Son of MAN, who he is, from where he came, how he came to be, and what Yahweh's will is for him.

Isaiah 44:24.


Thus SAYS the LORD, your redeemer, and HE that FORMED YOU from the WOMB, I am the LORD that makes ALL THINGS; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF;”



Here we see WHEN the spoken word was MANIFESTED to become FLESH. The very start of the LIFE of God's Son BEGAN in the WOMB of the virgin Mary.

Some may argue and say that Jesus did not NEED a savior so this verse is NOT a prophecy of Jesus.

 But being redeemed does not always mean being saved from SIN. The salvation being spoken of here is that God will not LEAVE his soul in hell. 

Please read Psalm 89:26-29.


He shall cry unto me, YOU are my father, my God, and the rock of MY SALVATION. (this is Yahweh prophesying that his Son Jesus, the Son of AM who will become his FIRSTBORN of every new creature, will cry unto Yahweh calling Yahweh his Father, his God and his SALVATION)

27. ALSO I will MAKE him MY FIRSTBORN, higher than the kings of the earth.(Jesus did not become God's FIRSTBORN until AFTER the cross when God SAVED the Son of MAN from the grave by raising Jesus from the dear to become the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD to become the FIRSTBORN among many brethren. It make no sense for God to say that he WILL MAKE his firstborn to be HIGHER that the kings of the earth, if so be, that Jesus was God's first born of every creature in eternity past, because he would have ALREADY been HIGHER that the kings of the earth.)

28. My mercy will I keep FOR him for evermore (in other words, God will have mercy on mankind FOR the SAKE OF his Son Jesus), and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.”


The LITERAL translation of Psalm 89:27 actually says,

"Indeed I firstborn I SHALL give HIM..."


So Yahweh himself is saying that HE is the FIRSTBORN or HE in Jesus. And HE shall give to Jesus the kings of the earth. 

Again this does not means that Jesus IS Yahweh himself, but rather it means that Yahweh, who is Spirit, BECAME FLESH and dwelt among men. We must remember that the scriptures also say the God is NOT a MAN nor is God the SON of MAN. When God creates a tree the spoken word of God becomes a TREE, The tree is NOT the God. The word was MADE FLESH, the Son of MAN. God is NOT the Son of MAN. So when Yahweh says "I am HE" God is NOT saying that HE is Yahweh.

Please read Isaiah 52:6.


"Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that does speak: behold, it is I."


Jesus said the the scriptures spoke of him.

John 5:38.


Search the scriptures; for in them you think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.”


So Jesus knew all the prophesies speaking of him being born of a virgin. Jesus knew that Isaiah 44:24 spoke of him as being being FORMED in the womb of his mother by the spoken word of God coming out of the mouth of God in Isaiah 55:11.

Jesus knew that Jeremiah 1:4-9 spoke of him.


Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5. Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations. (BEFORE God ever prophesied his first word concerning his yet coming Son God LOVED his Son. Just like proud parents LOVE their yet unborn child and the PREPARE a place for there baby BEFORE he of she is BORN so also did God LOVE his Son BEFORE the foundations of the earth in like manner while he created the heaven and the earth FOR his yet unborn Son.)

6. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. (I believe that this verse was revealed to Jesus when he was 12 year old and he told Mary and Joseph that he must be about his Father's business. But first Jesus argued with God saying the he was just a child, How can I speak your words being only a small child?)

7. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for you shall go to all that I shall send you, and whatsoever I command you you shall speak.

8. Be not afraid of their faces: for I am WITH you to DELIVER YOU, says the LORD.

9. Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.”


So Jesus knew that his ORIGIN was OF God and that he CAME OUT FROM God. And that God formed him in his mother's womb. I am quite sure that Jesus knew that Joseph was NOT his biological father and that he was conceived in his mother's womb by the Holy Spirit when the angel Gabriel spoke to the virgin Mary. How else did the disciples know unless Jesus taught them? Jesus even told us that he CAME OUT FROM God.

Please read John 16:27,28.


For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and (BECAUSE you ) have BELIEVED that I CAME OUT FROM God.

28. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


Again some Christians INTERPRET these verses as Jesus coming out of heaven from God to come forth from the Father, who SENT him down from heaven into the world.

But to ME this interpretation contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16 where ONLY the one true invisible God alone had immortality in eternity past. It also contradicts Isaiah 44:24 where Yahweh ALONE and BY HIMSELF created ALL things.

So for ME I see the living word, which is SPIRIT, that came out from God and that SPOKEN living word was sent down from heaven by the angel Gabriel to SPEAK to the virgin Mary to be conceived in her womb to be born as FLESH. The word was made FLESH. This interpretation AGREES with the account Luke teaching is HOW of Jesus was BORN of a virgin. It also agrees with ALL of the PROPHECY of Jesus being FORMED in the WOMB by God. ALL the verses harmonize with this interpretation of the word being God's SPOKEN word. But as you will see in a moment it is not just an INTERPRETATION. The LITERAL translation proves that the word is God's spoken word by translating the Greek word "LOGOS" as the SAYING. 

Now back to 1 John 1:1,2 to learn what Jesus taught his disciples as to HOW he CAME OUT FROM God.

1 John 1:1,2.


That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (or the SAYING of life as it reads in the LITERAL translation.)

2. (For the LIFE was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”


John does NOT say that the SON OF God was WITH the Father and the SON OF God was MANIFESTED unto us. This verse is saying that HOW to receive eternal life in the world to come was REVEALED to us or CLEARLY SHOWN to us by God's Son Jesus, whose ORIGIN was OF God's SAYING of life.

In other words, John says that the word of LIFE, or the SAYING of LIFE, the TEACHING of that ETERNAL LIFE that was WITH God in the beginning was MANIFESTED or clearly SHOWN to us. God manifested HIMSELF to us by SPEAKING FORTH his word or SAYING of LIFE OUT FROM his mouth just like Isaiah 55:11 PROPHESIED.

Here is the LITERAL translation of Isaiah 55:11.


So is HE BECOMING word of me which he is going forth from MOUTH of me not he is returning to me empty but rather he does what I desire and he prospers in which I sent him.”


So then AS God or in the same manners AS God sends down the rain from heaven so ALSO he sent down his word, his SAYING, his TEACHING, his DOCTRINE, his BREAD of life, his SPEECH, which came forth out from God's MOUTH to accomplish God's desire in the earth.

Now let us read the LITERAL word for word translation of John 1:1.


In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was TOWARD the God and God was the SAYING.”


Now the Greek word “LOGOS” is found 207 times in the New Testament and 200 of those 207 times this Greek word logos is ALWAYS defined as the SPOKEN word of God. We were begotten of God to become his NEW creation through the spoken word of God, the same logos as in John 1:1.

And we can clearly see HOW the logos, the SPOKEN living word of God came down from heaven by the angel Gabriel in Luke chapter 1. God's messenger SPOKE God's word to the virgin Mary and when she believed saying be it done unto me according to your WORD the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and the SEED of God's word was planted in the womb of Mary to conceive a male child, who would become great and SHALL be called the Son of God. Jesus began to become great shortly AFTER his baptism, which is when God ANOINTED him and SENT him INTO the world. And that is when he began to be called the Son of God.


But NO where in the word of prophecy do we find the SON OF God coming down from heaven and the SON OF God manifesting himself to become flesh. Yes there are some verse that SEEM to be saying that Jesus came down from heaven, but all of these verse can be interpreted as the word, the teaching of God, coming down from heaven.

So then, the FORM that Jesus was in BEFORE the word was made flesh was IMAGE of God that was WITHIN the God, who is SPIRIT. The LIFE that was WITHIN the VERY God was sent forth out from God in the FORM of the God's LIVING WORD. And that living word, which was DIVINE SPIRIT, STRIPPED HIMSELF of ALL HIS divine nature to take on HUMAN nature.

This is what Philippians 2:6-8 teaches us. 

But because of all the trinitarian BIAS translations it is not that readily seen. And it is even more so not readily seen or received by those Christians, who want only to try and prove that Jesus is Yahweh himself being fully Almighty God and fully a man at the SAME time having TWO natures, on divine and one human DURING the days of his FLESH.

But that to ME and many many other Christians like myself we find that INTERPRETATION of an already preexisting Son of God manifesting himself to become flesh, but yet REMAINING the fully divine Almighty God having TWO natures at the SAME time contradicts many verses in the Bible. For example, if so be, that Jesus were fully the Almighty God, then how come Jesus said that he could do NOTHING OF HIMSELF and that it was the FATHER dwelling IN him, who was doing the works? Please read the study 19 POINTS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!.

The doctrine of the deity of Jesus that teaches that Jesus was deity DURING the days of his FLESH denies that CHRIST DWELT IN the flesh of Jesus and is therefore antichrist. This does not mean that trinitarians are not saved, but rather means that they FALSELY teach against the ANOINTING dwelling IN the flesh of Jesus.


Philippians 2:5-11 clearly teaches us that the FORM, which Jesus WAS in the beginning was indeed DIVINE, but that this DIVINE FORM then LAID ASIDE, STRIPPED AWAY, GAVE UP all his DIVINE NATURE in order to take on the NATURE of HUMAN beings, when the word was made FLESH and dwelt among men.


This brings us to section two of this study in God's word where we will closely examine Philippians 2:5-11 to find a better translation than the trinitarian bias translations.


SECTION TWO


DOES PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8

PROVE THAT JESUS PREEXISTED

AS THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD?


Please read Philippians 2:5-11 from several different translations to see that Almighty God HIMSELF through his SPOKEN word BECAME, as in, TRULY BECAME a HUMAN being, the Son of MAN void of any DIVINE NATURE.

Now as you read these different translations please take notice that in every single one of these translations in some manner says that FORM of God stripped himself, laid aside, gave up or emptied himself.

We will cover this ONE point first of the FORM of God EMPTYING HIMSELF to take on human nature, and then come BACK to that last part or phrase of verse 6 and examine it more closely.

Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Complete Jerusalem Bible.



Let your attitude toward one another be governed by your being in union with the Messiah Yeshua:

6. Though he was in the FORM of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.

7. On the CONTRARY, he EMPTIED himself, (so then, HE speaking of whatever FORM Jesus was IN before the word became flesh that FORM emptied himself of the previous preexisting FORM of God) in that he (that now EMPTIED FORM of God) took the FORM of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being,

8. he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death - death on a stake as a criminal!

9. Therefore (or for this very reason of the Son of God becoming OBEDIENT unto death and OVERCOMING the temptations of the enemy) God raised him to the highest place and gave him the name above every name;

10. that in honor of the name given Yeshua, every knee will bow - in heaven, on earth and under the earth

11. and every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is ADONAI - to the glory of God the Father.”





Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Holman Christian Standard.



Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus,

6. who, existing in the FORM of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

7. INSTEAD He EMPTIED Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had COME as a MAN in His external form,

8. He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-even to death on a cross.

9. For this reason God also HIGHLY EXALTED Him and gave Him the name that is above every name,

10. so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow- of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth-

11. and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory of God the Father.”




            Again we see that the FORM of God that Jesus preexisted in EMPTIED HIMSELF of that FORM to take on human form.

Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the New Revised Standard Translation.



Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,

6. who, though he was in the FORM of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,

7.  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM,

8. he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death— even death on a cross.

9. THEREFORE God also HIGHLY EXALTED him and gave him the name that is above every name,

10. So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11. And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”



Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Message Bible.



Think of yourselves the WAY Christ Jesus thought of himself.

6. He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

7. Not at all. When the time came, he SET ASIDE the privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!

8. Having BECOME HUMAN, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death - and the worst kind of death at that: a crucifixion.

9. Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever,

10. so that all created beings in heaven and on earth - even those long ago dead and buried - will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ,

11. and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.”



Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Weymouth New Testament.



Let the SAME disposition be in YOU which was in Christ Jesus.

6. Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped.

7. NAY, He STRIPPED Himself of His glory, and took on Him the nature of a bond servant by BECOMING a MAN like other men.

8. And being recognized as TRULY HUMAN, He humbled Himself and even stooped to die; yes, to die on a cross.

9. It is in consequence of this that God has also so highly exalted Him, and has conferred on Him the Name which is supreme above every other,

10. in order that in the Name of JESUS every knee should bow, of beings in Heaven, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld,

11. and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.”


Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Today's English version.



The attitude you should have is the one Christ Jesus had.

6. He always had the very nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God.

7. Instead of his very own free will he gave it ALL UP , (Jesus GAVE UP the VERY NATURE of God) and took the nature of a servant, He became like man, and appeared in human likeness.

8. He was humble and walked the path of obedience to death---his death on the cross.

9. For this reason God raised him to the highest place above, and gave him the name that is greater than any other name.

10. And so, to honor of the name of Jesus, all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees,

11. and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ in the Lord to the glory of God the Father.”





Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from the Living Bible.



who though he was God, did not demand to cling to his rights as God,

7. But LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory taking the disguise as a slave and becoming like men.”


Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from Phillips Modern English.


For he, who has always been God by NATURE, did not cling to his privileges as God's equal.

7. but he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage by consenting to become a slave by NATURE, and being born a MAN.”



Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from the Jerusalem Bible.



His state was DIVINE, yet he did not cling to his equality with God.

7. But he EMPTIED HIMSELF to assume the condition of a slave, and became as men are; and being found as all men are.”



So then, all of these translations clearly teach us that BEFORE Jesus became Jesus.

His STATE was DIVINE, BUT he EMPTIED HIMSELF.

His FORM was God,  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM.

He was God by NATURE, BUT he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage.

He was God, BUT he LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory.

He had the very NATURE of God, but he GAVE IT ALL UP.

He had the NATURE of God, but he STRIPPED himself of his glory.

He had equal status with God, but he SET ASIDE the privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!



Now, if so be, that one interprets the Word to be a separate person, who was WITH God AT his SIDE, ignoring all the verses that we have covered in this study, then the Word STILL CHANGED his FORM of having divine nature to BECOME or to be MADE into a HUMAN NATURE. This is what the CONTEXT of Philippians 2:6-8 clearly teaches us. 

The FORM Jesus had BEFORE the word was made FLESH was indeed DIVINE, but that FORM stripped himself of his DIVINE NATURE to take on HUMAN NATURE. The word was made FLESH.

So then, the whole THEORY that Jesus had simultaneously TWO NATURES at the SAME time during the days of his FLESH is pure fiction that the word of TRUTH does NOT teach. With that being said let us continue to this study in God's word to take a CLOSER look at what some other dogmatic trinitarian sources say about Philippians 2:6,7.

Here is what The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology has to say concerning this passage of scripture in Philippians chapter 2, verses 5 through 11. Now please keep in mind that these are highly educated BIBLICAL and trintarian BIAS sources that I am giving you.



Although Jesus, the Son of God, in his preexisting being AS the Word was in the form or IMAGE of God, he (the Word, both now and before the Word was made flesh) and the Son of MAN resisted the temptation to be EQUAL with God (Phil. 2:6). That is to say that in the days of his flesh in his earthly existence Jesus was obedient to God, even unto death on the cross (Phil. 2:8) .... Then ONLY AFTER the completion of his work on earth Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED and has indeed been raised to the right hand of God (Eph. 1:20; 1 Pet. 3:22) .... But he is STILL NOT made EQUAL to God. Although completely co-ordinate with God, he remains SUBORDINATE to him (cf. 1 Cor. 15:28).” 1968 Zondervan- p. 80, vol. 2.



The emphasis found in quotations throughout the studies that I write are nearly always added by me, as is this case here as well. The underlining, the bold words, and the highlighting are mine to emphasize certain points that are indeed sound Biblical points being made by a trinitarian bias source.

Now that we know that Jesus was NOT fully the Almighty God himself and a man at the SAME time having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one HUMAN as the doctrine of the deity dogmatically demands, let us now go back and look at the last half of verse 6.

I will only quote the Living Bible, because I believe that it is the closest translation of this passage of scripture, but it still has some trinitarian bias in it's translation as well. I will explain why I say this further on in this study.

Here is Philippians 2:6,7.


who though he was God, did not demand to CLING to his RIGHTS AS God,

7. But LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory taking the disguise as a slave and becoming like men.”





You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, Jesus was the FORM OF God, in that, Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE of his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, being WITHIN the God. 

We have already learned that God was ALONE when he created all things. We have also learned that God SPEAKS his creation into existence. And even without Philippians 2:6-8 mere common sense should teach us that when God created the TREES by speaking them forth into existence that the trees do not REMAIN fully the Almighty God having TWO forms or two natures at the same time.

The FORM of God CHANGED to become a tree. The FORM stripped himself of all his DIVINE NATURE and took on another FORM. A tree is not Spirit, a tree is not God, a tree is not divine, a tree is not immortal. But a tree is a CREATION OF God and God alone gave that tree LIFE.

The english word “FORM” is translated from the Greek word “MORPHE” Strong's # 3444 from which we get the English word morphosis, which means to CHANGE form. More commonly used as metamorphosis.

Some Greek scholars have HONESTLY translated the Greek word “MORPHE” as IMAGE in Philippians 2:6, which to me makes quite a lot of sense when you view the Word of God as the SPOKEN WORD of God as opposed to the Word being ANOTHER separate divine eternal spirit being that was with God at his side in a beginning.

In others words, Almighty God spoke forth the IMAGE that was WITHIN himself having the DNA code of that IMAGE imprinted in his Word, his SAYING, that he sent down from heaven by his angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary and the Word CHANGED from the DIVINE FORM that is WAS and BECAME HUMAN in form.

Jesus said in John 6:63 that it is the SPIRIT that quickens or makes ALIVE and then went on to says that the WORDS he SPOKE that he received FROM God were SPIRIT. In other words, the SPOKEN WORDS of Almighty God make ALIVE, they produce LIFE. God's WORDS are SPIRIT. So in the light of this scripture it is very easy to see how Almighty God SENT his WORD, which was his PLAN to bring forth a SON into existence, down from heaven with his angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE God's WORD to the virgin Mary, and then when Mary AGREED to the SPOKEN WORD of God the WORD, being SPIRIT, then that living word was MADE to become ALIVE in the womb of Mary to be BORN a HUMAN BEING.

Truly it was a DIVINE ORIGIN of our Lord and savior Jesus the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God the Father, who became the IMAGE, the EXPRESSED IMAGE of his God and Father.

So another way to translate Philippians 2:6 is ...who was in the IMAGE of God did NOT even think to RETAIN any of the divinity or glory, but rather took on the form of a SERVANT being found as a human being. The IMAGE that was WITHIN the God was divine Spirit by nature being a part of God, a component of God, his thoughts, his plans, his dreams within himself. And that THOUGHT of God being God's THOUGHT did not even think to retain his divinity. And thus Yahweh himself stripped himself of all his DIVINE NATURE to take on HUMAN nature. Simply put God BECAME the Son of MAN, but the Son of MAN was NOT God. The word, the SAYING of God became FLESH, and NOT a God/man having TWO natures one divine and one human. Divinity STRIPPED HIMSELF, EMPTIED himself. LAID ASIDE, GAVE UP of HIS divinity.


When God spoke forth that image within himself out of himself SOUND was made, sound waves were made, the Spirit morphed from THOUGHT to sound or vibration. In Genesis 1:2 the Spirit MOVED upon the waters. The LITERAL translation says that the Spirit of God VIBRATED over the waters. In other words, that SPIRIT coming out of God's mouth FORMS the shape, design, the blueprint, the DNA code of what is imprinted in the SPOKEN word of God.

In truth before any of God's creation God was ALONE with no one with God. God first acquired REASON, thought, intelligence. And once God DESIGNED what he wanted to BE WITHING HIMSELF, then God acquired SPEECH on sound at a time. So in truth God's ALPHABET was his first creation if you want to called his speech a creation. It is God's SPEECH that causes his Spirit to VIBRATED and create FORMS with his Spirit. Much like sand on a sound table. Different frequencies create different patterns. Please see the video at this link.

So then, God himself alone and by himself created all things by his SPEECH, his SAYING, his word. God also PROPHESIES and his spoken word comes to pass over time. So the first thing God acquired after he acquired reason and thought is his word one letter at a time. More on the Hebrew letters in another study.

Even the early church writer Tertullian, who was first Christians coined the Latin word “TRINITAS” in referring to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wrote the following:



"... who being in the IMAGE of God, `thought it not ...'" - Tertullian, about 200 A.D. ANF, p. 549,vol.3.



By the way Tertullian is often quoted by those, who teach the doctrine of the trinity to TRY and prove that this doctrine of the trinity was taught by the early Christians before the fourth and fifth centuries, but the TRUTH of the matter is that Tertullian did NOT teach the trinity in the way that this doctrine of the trinity it is taught today. Let me show you what I mean by taking a look at what Tertullian himself wrote. Below is a link to the writings of Tertullian, who supposedly, according to the Roman Catholic church, was the author of the doctrine of the trinity. But again Tertullian did NOT teach that Jesus was CO EQUAL nor CO ETERNAL with the Father.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tertullian.html



Tertullian wrote in is argument against Praxeas that God was ALONE in the beginning yet not totally alone, because he had his THOUGHTS or his reason within himself much like we as human beings who are made in the image of God carry on a conversation WITHIN ourselves. Tertullian said that in this way the Word COULD be viewed as a second person in a SENSE. But really do WE say that OUR inner thoughts talking to ourselves is a SEPARATE person? No we do not.

Here is a direct quote from this early Christian writer Tertullian that some Christians refer to in order to try and support the doctrine of the trinity has always existed as a teaching of the church.

But again Tertullian did NOT teach the DOCTRINE of the trinity, but merely was perceiving that there SEEMED to be THREE, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. He did NOT teach that Jesus was CO ETERNAL with the Father and therefore Jesus had NO BEGINNING. Nor did he teach that Jesus was CO EQUAL with the Father.

But rather Tertullian taught that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING and that there was only ONE, who was NOT BEGOTTEN, who was the Father. Read for yourself what he wrote.



But since they (referring to Praxeas and his group of believers who taught that the Father and the Son were ONE and the SAME being, rather than two separate beings) will have the Two to be but One, so that the Father shall be deemed to be the same as the Son, it is only right that the whole question respecting the Son should be examined, as to whether He exists, and who He is and the mode of His existence. Thus shall the truth itself secure its own sanction from the Scriptures, and the interpretations which guard them. There are some who allege that even Genesis opens thus in Hebrew: "In the beginning God made for Himself a Son." (again referring to those who error in interpreting the scriptures. Tertullian goes on to say the following as what he himself believes)

As there is NO ground for this, I am led to OTHER arguments derived from God's own dispensation, in which He existed before the creation of the world, up to the generation of the Son. For before all things God was alone -- being IN Himself and for Himself universe, and space, and all things. Moreover, He was alone, because there was NOTHING EXTERNAL to Him but Himself. Yet even not then was He alone; for He had with Him that which He possessed IN Himself, that is to say, His OWN REASON. For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him; and so all things were from Himself. This Reason is His own Yought (or Consciousness) which the Greeks call logos, by which term we also designate Word or Discourse and therefore it is now usual with our people, owing to the mere simple interpretation of the term, to say that the Word was in the beginning with God; although it would be more suitable to regard REASON as the more ancient; because God had NOT Word from the beginning, but He had REASON even before the beginning; because also Word itself consists of Reason, which it thus proves to have been the prior existence as being its own substance. Not that this distinction is of any practical moment. For although God had NOT YET sent out His Word, He still had Him WITHIN Himself, both in company with and included within His very Reason, as He silently planned and arranged within Himself everything which He was after wards ABOUT to utter THROUGH His Word. Now, whilst He was thus PLANNING and arranging with His own Reason, He was actually causing that TO BECOME Word which He was dealing with in the way of Word or Discourse.

And that you may the more readily understand this, consider first of all, from your own self, who are made "in the image and likeness of God," for what purpose it is that you also possess reason in yourself, who are a rational creature, as being not only made by a rational Artificer, but actually animated out of His substance. Observe, then, that when you are silently conversing with yourself, this very process is carried on within you by your reason, which meets you with a word at every movement of your thought, at every impulse of your conception.

Whatever you think, there is a word; whatever you conceive, there is reason. You must needs speak it in your mind; and while you are speaking, you admit speech as an interlocutor WITH you, involved in which there is this very reason, whereby, while in thought you are holding converse with your word, you are (by reciprocal action) producing thought by means of that converse with your word. Thus, in A CERTAIN SENSE, the word is a second person WITHIN you, through which in thinking you utter speech, and through which also, (by reciprocity of process,) in uttering speech you generate thought. The word is itself a different thing from yourself. Now how much more fully is all this transacted in God, whose image and likeness even you are regarded as being, inasmuch as He has reason within Himself even while He is silent, and involved in that Reason His Word! I may therefore without rashness first lay this down (as a fixed principle) that even then before the creation of the universe God was not alone, since He had WITHIN Himself both Reason, and, inherent in Reason, His Word, which He made SECOND TO Himself by agitating it WITHIN Himself.





In other words, some early Christians believed that Jesus always existed as the SON of God in the beginning, but they also believed the the Father and the SON were ONE and the SAME being, as in, Jesus IS the FATHER.

But yet other Christians, like Tertullian, believed throughout all of the history of the church that the WORD OF God existed WITHIN God in the very beginning and when God brought forth or spoke his THOUGHTS in the FORM or "MORPHE" of his WORD, then THROUGH God's WORD, the very EXPRESSED or SPOKEN IMAGE of God's thoughts were CREATED to BECOME God's EXPRESS IMAGE.

That is to say, the Word in the beginning was with God and the Word was the spoken IMAGE of the THOUGHTS of God. In other words, what God was in his THOUGHTS the Word was or what God was THINKING the Word became the IMAGE of what God THOUGHT to BE. This would be like us painting or building a PICTURE in our mind first of what we desire to be, and then we IMPRINT the IMAGE in our mind on paper as a BLUEPRINT of what we desire to be MADE. And then we follow that blueprint to MAKE what was once the IMAGE that was within us.

So then, God first THOUGHT to create light before God SAID or spoke forth his WORD to say “Light BE” or “Let there BE light” and light WAS or light came into being where light had never existed before. The Bible teaches us that all things are upheld by the WORD of his power and not by the POWER of his Word. Almighty God and his SPOKEN Word are ONE in that they AGREE as ONE. What ever God THINKS and then follows up his THOUGHTS with his SPOKEN Word comes to BE the IMAGE of what God first thought within himself to be.

But what God THINKS does NOT come into being UNTIL God SPEAKS FORTH his thought in the FORM of his WORD. But at the same time the WORD could NOT EXISTS and did NOT EXIST UNTIL God BROUGHT FORTH his WORD INTO EXISTENCE by SPEAKING forth his THOUGHTS and PLANS that God was THINKING to BE.

You see, before the Word was brought forth into existence there was only God, who was alone before any thing was created. That is to says there was God and his THOUGHTS and nothing else existed. In other words, once the Word of God was brought forth into existence, then the Word word became the IMAGE of what God was thinking to bring forth. In this way God's WORDS are SPIRIT that make ALIVE or create what God desires to BE. But this should not be INTERPRETED that the WORD is a SEPARATE person from Almighty God, because the WORD comes forth OUT FROM God to BECOME what God himself desires to be.

The Word itself has no mind or will of it's own, but rather what God is, the word is, and then that SAYING of God becomes what God is in his THOUGHTS and PLANS to become.

Now some trinitarians try to argue that the Greek word “MORPHE” also means a disguise or that it means an appearance OF the real, but yet NOT the real. Thus the trinitarian bis translations say that when the Word that was in the FORM of God that that form took on the APPEARANCE of man, but remained the form of God. Most trinitarian bias translations use words like, he was found in the FIGURE of a man, the FORM of a servant or the LIKENESS of men.

Again those trinitarians that try and argue along this line of reasoning just create another dilemma for themselves.

For you see dear child of God, the SAME exact Greek word that they translate for Jesus or the Word being in the APPEARANCE of a MAN is the SAME exact Greek word “MORPHE” used saying the FORM of God. Now if they were CONSISTENT in their translating, then this would mean according to THEIR own interpretation of the word "MORPE" as being only the APPEARANCE of a man, that the Word was JUST in the APPEARANCE of God, but yet the word was NOT the REAL divine being of God. I mean you cannot have it BOTH ways. If you say the SAME Greek word means only the APPEARANCE of MAN, then you must also say that this SAME Greek word means as well that the Word was ONLY the APPEARANCE of God, but not the real God.

But worse than this these trinitarians are unknowingly becoming antiChrists when they dogmatically demand such an INTERPRETATION saying that Jesus ONLY APPEARED to be HUMAN FLESH, or God the SON was only CLOTHED with a human body, because the apostle John clearly teaches us that those who say that Jesus Christ did NOT come in the FLESH is an antiChrist.

Now the reason that some trinitarians use this argument is in order that they can maintain that Jesus is FULLY Almighty God and FULLY man at the SAME time having two natures, because they know that the scripture also say that God is NOT a MAN nor is he the SON of MAN. Therefore they have to TWIST God's word to say that Jesus was in the LIKENESS or the FIGURE or the APPEARANCE of a MAN.

But the TRUTH of the matter is that whatever FORM the Word was in the beginning that FORM stripped himself of all his divine nature to take on human nature. This is what Philippians 2:6-8 clearly teaches us. The Word CHANGED into ANOTHER FROM when the divine living Word was MADE FLESH.


Now if the Greek word "LOGOS" translated a Word with a capital "W" would be translated and word and interpreted as the SPOKEN word of God, as it is in all 200 other times, then the spoken word of God CHANGED from just being the SPOKEN word of God INTO what God THOUGHT or PLANNED in his mind and God's written word of prophesy to become. 

That is to say God's spoken WORD, even though it be SPIRIT and in essence God HIMSELF, the word or SAYING of God, being Spirit, does NOT REMAIN God, but rather the word is MADE to BECOME the EXPRESS IMAGE of God's THOUGHTS and PLAN that was within himself. You see, when God THOUGHT to create a TREE and then SPOKE his thoughts in the IMAGE of his word, then the word was MADE to be a TREE and did NOT REMAIN to be fully God and fully a TREE at the SAME time.



We know this to be true of Jesus as well because every single translation of Philippians 2:6-8 says that the FROM stripped himself of the FORM it was to take on HUMAN FORM.

But it still sounds like or SEEMS to be saying that the FORM did not seek to CLING to the EQUALITY he had WITH God. So it SEEMS that Philippians 2:6-8 is saying that Jesus MUST have preexisted WITH God as a SECOND separate person, because it takes TWO to use the word EQUAL. You cannot be EQUAL with yourself.

The other night I asked God about this and he said look it up. I first thought to myself that equal means equal so how can it mean any other thing than equal?

I was wrong. Here is what I found. The Greek word translated as “EQUAL” is Strong's #2470 meaning seeming, similar in amount or kind, equal, SAME, as much, LIKE and AGREE.

This Greek word comes from the Greek word “EIDO” Strong's #1492, which means KNOWLEDGE of God, as in DIVINE knowledge or fullness of knowledge. So here are some possible translations of the last part of verse 6.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the KNOWLEDGE of God, as in, the DIVINE KNOWLEDGE or fullness of knowledge that God possesses being God.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the equality to remain to be God.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be LIKE God, as in having the divine nature of IMMORTALITY.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be the SAME as God, as in, having all power and authority. Jesus was GIVEN all power and authority AFTER God ANOINTED him.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be the SAME God of ONE opinion. God wanted a MEDIATOR between him and mankind. God needed another OPINION of a RIGHTEOUS MAN to be that mediator.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the PRIVILEGES of the RIGHTS as BEING God.

Basically God did NOT CLING to BEING God.



Another interpretation is that Jesus knew that scriptures spoke of HIM. So Jesus knew that his ORIGIN was of God. Jesus knew that God had him in mind before God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus knew that God loved him BEFORE the foundation of the world and created the worlds FOR him. Jesus knew and understood the power and the authority that God gave to him, but yet he did not become puffed up with pride. Jesus remained humble. Jesus did not abuse his power and authority. He could have called down a legion of angels any time he so please, but he did not use this power and authority God gave to him even though he had the RIGHT to do so. Jesus did not ABUSE his power.

One day the disciples of Jesus said to Jesus in the form of a question saying, Shall WE call fire down from heaven and devour them? Jesus understood that they had the authority to call down fire from heaven so he did not laugh at them, but rather rebuked them saying that they did not know by what spirit they were listening to say such a thing.

Please read Luke 9:54-66.

"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, will you that WE command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 

        55.  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, You know not what manner of spirit you are of.
        56.  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."


So another meaning of the last part of verse 6 could be speaking of Jesus AFTER the word or SAYING of God became flesh and AFTER God ANOINTED the Son of MAN with power and authority as to WHEN Jesus did not strive to be EQUAL with his God and Father.

Or yet another interpretation my be that it was even AFTER the cross when Jesus was GIVEN the very DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY and ALL POWER and authority to JUDGE the angels and the wicked of mankind as to WHEN Jesus did not seek EQUALITY with his God and Father. 

I mean to ME it does not make any sense to interpret the last half of verse 6 to speak of a preexisting Son up in heaven who was WITH the God AT his SIDE as the WHEN that Jesus did not think to take by FORCE equality with God.

So here is what I myself have concluded.

Jesus was in the form of God BEFORE he became Jesus. And that form was Almighty God himself, as in, that part of God that was within the God being the IMAGE of God within the inner being of the God. Then the God himself stripped away all his divine nature, his divine knowledge and everything that is God to take on HUMAN nature. And then as the Son of MAN grew and learned that the Scriptures spoke of him, then the Son of MAN did not even thing to be equal with God was something to be grasped or sought after.

Being the Son of MAN, Jesus humbled himself in this way, KNOWING that he was no ordinary MAN. And also knowing the GLORY that God would bestow upon him for his obedience Jesus even further humbled himself to die on the cross. Jesus, as the Son of MAN, the SAYING of God made to become a HUMAN being, who knowing that he was God's CHOSEN ONE took on a servant's heart and did not even think to EXALT HIMSELF to be equal with his God and Father.

All of this is taught in the scriptures and does not contradict any other part of God's word. Please read the study HOW DID JESUS PREEXIST? and WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE MEAN?.


Now you may have noticed as you read the many different translations of Philippians 2:4-6 how much they differed. I mean one would translate the Greek pretty accurately in ONE part, but not all the way through. Another translation would translate a different part pretty accurately, but again not all the way through. So below I have taken what has ALREADY been translated by Bible scholars and have put them all together in my own paraphrase thought for thought translations. Keep in mind that I am using what others have already translated in their Bible Version.

Here is my translation using all the translations of others.

Philippians 2:6-11.

“Who though he was God, did not demand to CLING to his rights AS God,

7. But LAID ASIDE, EMPTIED himself, GAVE UP, and STRIPPED himself of every advantage of his mighty power and gloryand took on Him the nature of a bond servant BY BECOMING a MAN like other men.

8. And being recognized as TRULY HUMAN, He was humble and walked the path of OBEDIENCE to death, even his death on the cross.

9. THEREFORE God also HIGHLY EXALTED him and gave him the NAME that is above every NAME,

10. So that at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11. And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory OF God the Father.”


Again all I have done is to take the words that have been already translated by the many different translations by taking the best prats from the different translations and put them all together to make a NON trinitarian BIAS translation.

Now I may be accused of making a BIAS NON trinitarian translation out of their bias translations and you would be correct, because I personally believe that those, who formed the doctrine of the trinity are in ERROR in that way that they have INTERPRETED the scriptures.

Not you may not agree with my conclusion that Jesus did NOT become Jesus already being a preexisting eternal Son of God, who was with God at his side in eternity past, and it was the eternal divine Son, who became flesh, but yet remained fully the divine Son of God and thus had two natures at the same time, one divine and one human.

But surely you must agree that whatever form Jesus was in BEFORE the word became flesh STRIPPED HIMSELF!

I mean surely you agree that all of these translations of Philippians 2:6-11 clearly teach us that BEFORE Jesus became Jesus.

His STATE was DIVINE, BUT he EMPTIED HIMSELF.

His FORM was God,  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM.

He was God by NATURE, BUT he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage.

He was God, BUT he LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory.

He had the very NATURE of God, but he GAVE IT ALL UP.

He had the NATURE of God, but he STRIPPED himself of his glory.

He had equal status with God, but he SET ASIDE the privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!


Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!


JOHN 1:1-3


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” 


JOHN 3:13


And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


JOHN 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 


JOHN 3:31


He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.


JOHN 6:32 


         “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven


JOHN 6:33 


 For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”


JOHN 6:38


For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”


JOHN 6:42 

And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?


JOHN 6:50 

 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


JOHN 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


JOHN 6:58

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.


JOHN 6:62 


What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


JOHN 8:14


Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”


JOHN 8:23 


And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”


JOHN 8:24


I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.


JOHN 8:42,43

        “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 
        43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.



JOHN 8:58


Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”


JOHN 16:28 


I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


JOHN 17:5


And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”


JOHN 17:8 


For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.



JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)


Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”


ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)


For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”


1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)


And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”


1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)


The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”


2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)


For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”


GALATIANS 4:4


But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”


EPHESIANS 3:9-11


And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”


EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)


Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”


COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)


Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”


HEBREWS 1:2


Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”


Hebrews 2:16,17


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”


Hebrews 5:8


Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”


HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)


Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7


PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8


Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”


1 John 1:1,2


“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

          2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”


REVELATION 3:14 


And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”


MICAH 5:2


But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


GENESIS 1:26



And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”


PROVERBS 8:22  (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)



The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”



Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immauel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.

       

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