Does GALATIANS 4:4 prove Jesus PREEXISTED?


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DOES GALATIANS 4:4  PROVE JESUS PREEXISTED?

 

In order to try and prove the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus during the days of his flesh some Christians use the REASONING that the ONLY WAY for God to be able to SEND is SON, then the SON must have ALREADY EXISTED up in heaven with Almighty God the Father for all eternity. 

Trinitarian Christians need a God the Son that is without a beginning who came DOWN from heaven and incarnated himself to become flesh. But some Unitarian Christians like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Christadelphian Christians say that God’s Son had his original beginning in the eternity past as the firstborn of every creature. Now, Oneness Pentecostal Christians believe that Jesus had his beginning at the virgin birth but they believe that Jesus is one and the self-same being as the Father, and thus, to them, there is only ONE sitting on the throne whose name is Jesus. And Biblical Unitarian Christians also believe that Jesus came into existence at the virgin birth but they believe that Jesus was first the HUMAN Son of God during the days of his flesh. And then after the cross, the human Son of God became God’s eternal Son by INHERITANCE. So which group of Christians is teaching the true Jesus according to the Bible? Let us begin this study in God's word by reading Galatians 4:4.

 

Galatians 4:4.

 

“But when the FULLNESS of the TIME had come, God SENT FORTH his SON, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

 

This verse here in Galatians 4:4 clearly and plainly teaches us that the SON OF God that was sent forth was MADE of a woman and MADE UNDER the law and NOT that the SON OF God was sent forth from heaven down to the earth TO BE MADE of a woman, made under the law. The FULLNESS of time that came was at the baptism of Jesus when God SENT FORTH His ANOINTED Son into the world to preach the coming Kingdom of God.

So then, Galatians 4:4 must be INTERPRETED to mean that God sent forth His Son made of a woman and made under the made down from heaven to incarnate himself to become flesh.

Now, to ME, this verse means that Jesus was ALREADY born of a woman under the law, and THEN, in the FULLNESS of THE TIME when it was time for Jesus to be ANOINTED with the eternal Holy Spirit of Almighty God to be commissioned with power and authority to preach the gospel, then Almighty God SENT FORTH his SON out into the world to do all his will.

In the fullness of the time when Jesus began to be about 30 years of age, God SENT FORTH his SON Jesus out into the world to PREACH the gospel. And in John 17:16-22 Jesus teaches us that in the same way that God SENT his SON INTO the world Jesus ALSO SENT his disciples INTO the world.

 

John 17:16-22.

 

“They (Speaking of the disciples of Jesus and all believers in Jesus) are NOT OF the world, EVEN AS (or in the SAME WAY AS) I am NOT OF the world. (Jesus is NOT of this world does NOT DOGMATICALLY DEMAND that it means that the SON OF God was BORN up IN HEAVEN in eternity past BEFORE the SON was SENT down ONTO the EARTH to be BORN of a woman under the law and THEN SENT OUT INTO the world to preach the gospel. But rather, Jesus said the WE are NOT OF the world in the SAME WAY that Jesus is NOT OF this world. So then, this phrase of not being of this world simply means that we are BORN of God from ABOVE and that we follow and obey the voice from ABOVE. It means that we do not partake of the sinful things OF this world. It means that we as Christians are BORN from ABOVE by the word of the eternal Holy Spirit who DWELT IN Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God,)

17. Sanctify them through Your truth: your word is truth.

18. AS You have SENT me INTO the world, EVEN SO (Or in the SAME WAY the Yo Father have SENT me into the world) have I ALSO SENT them INTO the world. (Can you not see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, that this phrase “SENT INTO the world” does NOT DOGMATICALLY DEMAND that it means being SENT down from heaven ONTO the EARTH. But rather, this phrase simply means being SENT OUT INTO the world. In the fullness of the time, Jesus was sent out into the world to preach the gospel.

19. And for their sake, I sanctify myself, (Or I separate myself from worldly things to not give into sin) that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20. Neither do I pray for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21. That they ALL may be ONE; AS YOU, Father, are IN me, and I IN You, that they ALSO may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that You have SENT me. (Jesus being ONE with the Father does NOT DOGMATICALLY DEMAND that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God as some FALSELY teach. But rather being ONE with the Father simply means that they AGREE as ONE. Their WILLS have merged to be UNITED in AGREEMENT for the SAME purpose) 

22.  And the glory which You GAVE me I have given them; that they may be ONE, EVEN AS (Or in the SAME WAY as) we are ONE:”

 

The Greek word that is translated in Galatians 4:4 as “SENT FORTH” is a compound word that means God SET APART His Son OUT FROM the world. This word means to dispatch, to send out into the world on a MISSION, and to delegate. And all of the Greek words translated as “SENT” in John chapter 17 mean COMMISSIONED. The word “commission” means to GIVE power and authority to a person to accomplish the task that they are given to do. A police “COMMISSIONER” commissions his police “officers” with power and authority to perform the task of enforcing the law.

Also, please consider that Almighty God was NOT always the Father of Jesus and that Jesus was NOT always his SON of God in the eternity past. But rather, the SON was BEGOTTEN OF Almighty God at some point in TIME, and THEN Almighty God BECAME a Father on a certain DAY that he BEGOT his SON. And Galatians 4:4 is simply another verse of Scripture that confirms WHEN Jesus was begotten. Jesus was born of a woman at his virgin birth and he was born under the law. Another verse of Scripture that teaches us that came into existence at the virgin birth as the human Son of God is Hebrews chapter 1 and chapter 2. I will only quote Hebrews 1:1-14.

 

Please read Hebrews 1:1-14.

 

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets, (In other words, God did NOT speak at ANY time in the OLD Testament BY His SON. Therefore, any CLAIMS that the Angel of the Lord or Michael the archangel or any other angel was the pre-existing Jesus is a FALSE claim, according to this passage of Scripture. Verse 1 here says that in times past God spoke by his PROPHETS and in the next verse, verse 2, we are clearly and plainly told that God in or during these LAST DAYS has spoken to us BY his SON. So then God)

2. Has IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us BY his SON, whom He has APPOINTED HEIR of all things, BY whom also He made the worlds; (Some Christians use this verse to try and prove that Jesus created all things. But the TRUTH of the matter is that Almighty God the Father is the creator of all things and the Almighty God created all things FOR His Son Jesus to INHERIT. You see, the Greek word “DIA” [Strong's Concordance #1223] that is translated as BY also means through, FOR, BECAUSE OF, and FOR the SAKE OF. The root meaning is the CHANNEL of an act. The REASON for why the act was made. The means of, The GROUND or reason by which something is done or not done, By reason of, on account of, because of, for this reason. 

Also, The word “THINGS” is NOT in the original Greek text and the “ALL” is speaking of the ALL of WHOSOEVER believes. So Yahweh created the ALL of us as believers IN Jesus Christ or BY reason of Jesus and Yahweh made the world yet to come FOR his Son to inherit and we are JOINT-HEIRS with Jesus. And the LITERAL translation of this verse in Hebrews 1:2 is as follows “on last one of the days these talks to us in Son whom he places tenant of ALL through whom also eons He MAKES In other words, this verse is actually speaking about the ages to come that God makes POSSIBLE through His Son Jesus making it possible for us to become eternal sons and daughters of God, and NOT this present world as have been made through a pre-existing God the SON of Almighty God in the eternity past. 

You see the Father has GIVEN all authority and POWER to the highly exalted Son of MAN Jesus to rule and reign over the WORLD TO COME for Yahweh for a 1000 years to MAKE all the decisions that need to be made. This is what this verse is speaking of rather than the beginning of all creation in eternity past. We will cover Revelation 3:14 in the next section where Jesus says “I am the BEGINNING of CREATION”. Also please read the studies WHAT DOES FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE MEAN? and  “EPHESIANS 3:9-11- DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?” for SOUND BIBLICAL teaching on who the WHOLE word of God teaches is the creator of all things)

3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his PERSON (Jesus, the SON OF God, is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the person of God in the brightness of His GLORY but WHEN was the Son GLORIFIED? WHEN did the Son BECOME the IMAGE OF the invisible God? Was the Son glorified in eternity past, at his virgin birth, or AFTER the cross? Did the Son become God's IMAGE in eternity past? Did Jesus become God’s IMAGE at the virgin birth? Did Jesus become the IMAGE of God AFTER the cross? What does the CONTEXT teach us?), and upholding ALL things by the word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Now, some Christians try and use this verse to try and prove that Jesus as the Word or as God the Son is upholding all things in the entire universe by his OWN word of power. But in truth, the LITERAL Greek is again speaking of the world to come where Jesus is GIVEN all power to rule and reign for 1000 years. Here is the LITERAL translation, “Who being from radiance of the esteem and emblem of the understanding of him CARRYING ON besides the ALL to the declaration of the ability of him through himself cleansing making of the sins of us is seated in right hand of majesty in heights.”As you can see, Jesus if GIVEN POWER to carry on to rule in his Father's kingdom at his Father's right hand. Also, this verse teaches us that Jesus overcame sin through the POWER of the Father. And the ALL is speaking of us as God's NEW CREATION created IN his Son Jesus Chris and Jesus is CONTINUING to make us STAND by the power of Yahweh’s word)

4. Being MADE so much BETTER than the ANGELS, as he has BY INHERITANCE OBTAINED a more excellent NAME than they. (Hebrews 2:7-9 and Psalms 8:3-5 teaches us that the first estate of Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God was made a little LOWER or INFERIOR to the angels. And Philippians 2:4-11 teaches us that it was only AFTER Jesus as the Son of MAN became obedient to do all the will of HIS God and Father even to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world that the Father HIGHLY EXALTED His HUMAN SON Jesus to INHERIT a more excellent name that is above all of God's creation. Basically, Jesus is SECOND in rank and power only to his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God)

5. For unto which of the ANGELS said he (Almighty God the Father) at ANY TIME, You are my SON, THIS DAY have I BEGOTTEN you? (First of all, this verse should prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus did NOT pre-exist as an ANGEL, which some Christians like the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses FALSELY teach. And even the Oneness and Trinitarian Christians who teach that Jesus was the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament. However, this verse of Scripture clearly says that God never said at ANY TIME to one of the ANGELS to be his SON. Secondly, the phraseTHIS DAY I have BEGOTTEN you” clearly teaches us that Jesus the SON OF Almighty God was BEGOTTEN or brought forth into existence on a CERTAIN DAY, which teaches us without a doubt that the SON OF God did INDEED HAVE a BEGINNING. The very words “SON” and “BEGOTTEN” demand a BEGINNING for Jesus the only BEGOTTEN SON OF God. So then, the ONLY way that Jesus could have pre-existed is as the WORD, as in, the SPOKEN word of PROPHECY of God’s PLAN to bring forth into existence a human Son that Yahweh would make both Lord and Christ. We will go deeper into this subject of whether or not the word is a part of the one God, as in, God's speech or if the Word was a separate distinct divine eternal person who was with God at his side further on in this study of God's word as to HOW Jesus may have pre-existed as the Word) And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a SON? (Now, why would Yahweh PROPHESY of begetting Himself a Son in the future if so be that God’s Son already existed at His side in the eternity past? Why do the PROPHECIES NOT say I Yahweh will send down my Son from heaven and my Son will manifest himself to become flesh in the womb of a virgin. To better understand the ORDER in which the events were PROPHESIED please read the study “ISAIAH 9:6,7 WHAT DOES MIGHTY GOD TRULY MEAN?”)

6. And AGAIN, WHEN he brings in the FIRST BEGOTTEN into the world, He said, And let all the angels of God worship him. (This verse is speaking of the SECOND COMING of Jesus when Almighty God brings His FIRSTBORN SON from the DEAD never to die again back into the world to rule for Yahweh as His King of kings and Lord of lords. The FIRST begotten means the firstborn from the DEAD BACK into the world to rule and reign for 1000 years. This is WHEN every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord TO the GLORY OF Almighty God the Father. And all the angels shall worship the SON OF God)

7. And of the angels he says, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8. But unto the SON He said, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. (Those who teach the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of the Deity of Jesus during the days of his flesh use this verse to TRY and prove that Jesus IS GOD, in that, Jesus is the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God Himself in the flesh. Now. while it is indeed TRUE that the Son of MAN, Jesus, has been HIGHLY EXALTED to become [a] God who is UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father, this verse does NOT prove that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God, who ALONE is the FATHER. For you see, the VERY NEXT verse of Scripture clearly and plainly teaches us that the Father is THE Almighty God who is OVER His SON Jesus)

9. You (My SON) have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; THEREFORE (Or for this VERY REASON that you have loved righteousness) God,(THE GOD, Almighty God the FATHER) EVEN YOUR God, (Clearly, without a doubt, showing us that Almighty God the FATHER is God EVEN OVER His SON Jesus, who the God and Father of Jesus said to His now highly exalted human SON, EVEN YOUR God) has ANOINTED you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. (Speaking of Jesu being made the HEAD of the body of believers, the church of the FIRSTBORN Son of Yahweh)

10. And, You, Lord, (Speaking of Almighty God the FATHER and NOT His SON Jesus. Please see the studies “WHAT DOE HEBREWS 1:10 TRULY MEAN?” and “EPHESIANS 3 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?”. But for now, know that the word “Lord” here can mean [a] lord, as in, a common man, who is a landowner. Or it can mean Lord, as in, referring to Jesus who was MADE to become both Lord and Christ by Almighty God the Father. Or it can mean LORD as referring ONLY to Yahweh, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God the FATHER. Also, know that verse 10 here is QUOTED from Psalm 102:25 and that this verse in Psalm 102:25 is definitely speaking of Lord as being Yahweh the one true and only Almighty God the FATHER. So if Lord referred to Almighty God the Father in the Old Testament in Psalm 102, then you can be sure without a doubt that the name Lord here in Hebrews 1:10 is STILL YET referring to Almighty God the Father as the CREATOR who) in the beginning, has laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Your hands: (The question is, “Did the writer of Hebrews INTEND his words to mean that it is the Father still speaking TO his SON in verse 10?” Or “Did the writer of Hebrews INTEND his words to be quoting Psalms 102: 25 where the SON is speaking TO Yahweh the Father?” Now, just simple common sense should tell you that in verse 10 the SON is now talking to his God and Father because we just read in verse 9 the Yahweh the Father is OVER his Son Jesus. And in verse 9 we see that God, speaking of Yahweh the Father, is the one who anointed the Son of man, Jesus, to have preeminence above his fellow brethren. Then verse 10 continues to say, and YOU Yahweh who anointed your Son above his brethren have created all things)

11. They shall perish, but you remain, and they all shall wax old as does a garment;

12. And as a vesture shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail. (Then in the next verse, the writer of Hebrews changes back to talking aboUT the Father who said in His prophecy concerning His future Messiah to come and sit at my right hand which Yahweh never at any time said to any of the angelic beings)

13. But to which of the ANGELS said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? (This ONE verse alone should prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus did NOT pre-exist as an ANGEL as some FALSELY teach. For you see, God said to his human SON, his only BEGOTTEN SON from the dead to be given eternal life to sit on his right hand. It was the SON OF Almighty God whose first estate was MADE to be a little LOWER than the ANGELS. But then after Jesus, the Son of MAN, became obedient to do all the will of HIS GOD and Father, then Almighty God the Father HIGHLY EXALTED his only BEGOTTEN SON to inherit a NAME or a place of authority far ABOVE the ANGELS)

14. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”

 

So then, from Hebrews chapter one, we can eliminate Jesus pre-existing as an ANGEL like is taught by the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons and even those who claim the Jesus was the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament, because to NONE of the ANGELS did God ever say, “You are my SON, this day have I begotten you.”

We can also eliminate Jesus pre-existing as the SON OF God as well because we clearly see that Jesus was BEGOTTEN on a CERTAIN DAY. Therefore the only way that Jesus could have preexisted is that Jesus preexisted as the Word or as the word. So then, this leaves us with only TWO possibilities as to HOW Jesus preexisted as the Word or as the word.

 

POSSIBILITY #1.

 

 

Jesus preexisted as the Word, where the Word was an actual LITERAL divine Spirit being separate and distinct from Almighty God the Father, which Almighty God chose to use to create all things.

 

POSSIBILITY #2.

 

Jesus preexisted as the word, where the word was God's very OWN word of THOUGHTS that was WITHIN HIMSELF that God SPOKE FORTH to create ALL things.

 

Now personally, I myself choose possibility #2 where the word that was WITH God in John 1:1 is referring to God's very own SPOKEN WORD that Almighty God brought forth out from his MOUTH to bring all things into existence including his SON Jesus by SPEAKING FORTH his thoughts and PLANS that Yahweh had within himself that came out from himself in the FORM of his WORD and then Yahweh's spoken WORD BECAME the express IMAGE of what the invisible God desired to BE.

The Bible says that Jesus CAME OUT FROM God, which agrees with the SPOKEN WORD possibility #2, which to ME, makes the most logical sense when one truly considers the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

Jesus understood that the Scriptures SPOKE of HIM so he perceived from the Scriptures that his ORIGIN was FROM ABOVE and that he came into existence through God's SPOKEN WORD. This is why Jesus said, “I CAME OUT FROM God.” Jesus knew from the Scriptures that the SOURCE of his ORIGIN came from heaven above. Jesus knew that he was born of a VIRGIN and that he did not have an earthly father. Jesus knew that he was conceived in the womb of his mother BY the spoken word of God sent down from heaven by the angel Gabriel who then spoke God's word to the Virgin Mary.

Let us take a brief look at the LITERAL translation of John 1:1.

 

“In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was TOWARD THE God and God was the SAYING

 

Here is the link to the LITERAL Greek to English Interlinear Bible of the New Testament that I use: 

 

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm    

 

And here is the Old Testament:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

 

And here is John chapter 1:        

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh1.pdf

 

The word “TOWARD” as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary means; 

1. in the direction of, 

2. in a position facing, 

3. somewhat before in time, approaching,

 4. with regard to, in relation to, 

5. in furtherance of partial fulfillment of. 

6. BY WAY OF ACHIEVING; WITH A VIEW TO

7. IN PROGRESS or IMMINENT, TRACTIBLE, Coming, favorable, future

 

Also, the word “TOWARD” carries the meaning of a forward motion which again agrees with the interpretation of the word as being God's SPOKEN WORD of PROPHECY. In other words, Jesus was BORN to be King. Jesus said to this END was I BORN. But Jesus will not rule as King until the world to come. So in the same way, The word was TOWARD the END direction of the human Son of God being highly exalted to become the eternal Son of God who will RULE as God FOR Yahweh in the world to come. And [A] God was the word or SAYING as opposed to the Word being Yahweh Himself who was WITH Yahweh at Yahweh's side in the eternity past who have always been TWO Yahwehs. To ME, the whole word of God teaches that Yahweh begat Himself a human Son whom He highly exalted after the cross by GIVING Jesus the NAME Yahweh to rule for his God and Father Yahweh in the NAME OF Yahweh. There are NO contradictions with any Scriptures with this interpretation of John 1:1 as In [a] beginning was the SAYING, and the SAYING was toward God, and {a} God was the SAYING [of PROPHECY].

Now some translations read “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was “WITH” THE God, and God was the Word.” 

The English word translated as “WITH” in the King James Version is the Greek word “PROS”, Strong's #4313, that is translated as “the SAYING was “TOWARD” THE God” in the LITERAL translation. This Greek word has many meanings such as to, for, near, with the God, was toward the God, was BECAUSE OF the God, was or is BELONGING TO the God, is PERTAINING TO the God, was or is NIGH UNTO the God, as we read in Romans 10 which teaches us that the word of God is NIGH you and even in your MOUTH, and the SAYING was WITHIN THE God.

Now any one of the definitions could be used in this verse. I personally believe that the best definition is “the SAYING was WITHIN THE God, and God was the SAYING.”

So then, do I choose this literal translation just because it best fits my own personal theology? Or am I simply wanting my readers and seekers of the truth to see ALL the evidence and then let them decide for themselves? To me, the literal translation AGREES perfectly with the Old Testament PROPHECIES being fulfilled in the Son of man, Jesus and also where God says in Exodus 3:14 in the King James Version,


“I AM THAT I AM”


The LITERAL translation of this verse in Exodus 3:14 is as follows.

Exodus 3: from the LITERAL translation.

 

I SHALL BECOME WHO I AM BECOMING

 

Now IF SO BE that Jesus was quoting Exodus 3:14 in John 8:58 was Jesus the FIRST “I AM of the “I AM THAT I AM”? Or was Jesus the LAST “I AM” of the I AM THAT I AM?  In other words, was Jesus saying that is IS Yahweh Himself that is saying “I SHALL BECOME”? Or was Jesus saying that he is the WHO that Yahweh PROPHESIED to come?

 To me, IF Jesus was quoting Exodus 3:14 in John 8:58 then Jesus is saying that he is the Messiah, the WHO that Yahweh said he is becoming. Again, to me, this AGREES PERFECTLY with the DEFINITION of the Greek word “PROS” in John 1:1 which could be translated as follows.

 

A possible translation of John 1:1.

 

In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was TOWARD (Or WITHIN) THE God and God was the SAYING.

 

All of creation was brought into existence by or through the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God so WHY try and force the spoken word of God in John 1:1 to now mean the Word, as in, a LITERAL separate divine CO EQUAL and CO-ETERNAL Spirit being who has always pre-existed alongside Almighty God, and it was the Word who created all things for Almighty God? 

All the verses in the New Testament that SEEM to be saying that Jesus created all things actually say that Almighty God created the ALL BY Jesus, where the English word “THINGS” is NOT in the original Greek text. The ALL is actually speaking of the ALL of whosoever BELIEVES in God's SON as the atonement for their sin is CREATED IN Jesus Christ to become God's NEW CREATION. Please read the study “WHAT DOES FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE MEAN?”

Now, IF SO BE the writers of the New Testament INTENDED the reader to understand that Almighty God created all things BY his WORD, then to ME it was God's SPOKEN WORD, God LOGOS, God's SAYING. You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Greek word “logos” is found 207 times in the New Testament and 200 of those 207 times it is translated as “word” with a lowercase “w” to mean God's SPOKEN word and God's WRITTEN word. 

But the Trinitarian BIAS translators chose to translate this same exact Greek word “logos” as “Word” seven times in five verses with a capital “W” to influence the reader that in these 7 occurrences the “logos” was NOT merely the SPOKEN word of God like in the 200 other times, but rather in these 7 occurrences of the Greek word "logos" the Word was a separate divine eternal Son of God who was WITH God AT his SIDE for all eternity past. 

However, in TRUTH, all 207 occurrences of the Greek word “logos” always mean the SPOKEN word of God which CAME FORTH OUT FROM God's MOUTH to be written down by the men of old and to be PROPHESIED into existence. Please read the study “EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?” Also, read “IS THE KING JAMES BIBLE CORRUPTED?” It that study I cover some variances in the King James Version such as the Johannine Comma and the controversy of the Trinitarian baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 that is NOT found in modern translations that are translated from the old manuscripts. To ME, the translators capitalizing the “W” in the word was God has INFLUENCED some Christians to wrongly believe that the word in John 1:1 is a SEPARATE divine person who was with Yahweh at Yahweh’s side in the eternity past.

You see dear children of God, the disciples of Jesus KNEW that the SOURCE of the miraculous VIRGIN birth of Jesus was FROM GOD, who SENT his SPOKEN WORD DOWN FROM HEAVEN ABOVE by the Angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE FORTH God's WORD to Mary. And then when Mary AGREED to God's SPOKEN WORD, then the SPOKEN WORD was MADE flesh in the womb of Mary to be BORN as the Son of MAN.

Is this not what the WHOLE word of God teaches us? To ME, there is just NOT enough SOUND BIBLICAL evidence to support the INTERPRETATION that God's spoken word was the “Word”, as in, the “logos” was a SEPARATE SECOND PERSON or divine Spirit being that was WITH Almighty God at his side for all eternity WITHOUT ever having a BEGINNING as some dogmatically DEMAND is the ONLY way to INTERPRET John 1:1. Please read the studies “JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD!” and “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?”

Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PRE-EXIST. We all agree that Jesus pre-existed in some FORM and that the FORM was divine in “nature”. The word of God is Spirit and the “nature of “Spirit” is divine. So the SPOKEN word of PROPHECY is of DIVINE NATURE.

So the question is not IF Jesus pre-existed. but rather, in what FORM as to HOW Jesus pre-existed in at the foundation of the world. Was the FORM Yahweh himself? Was the FORM the IMAGE that Yahweh had WITHIN Himself to one day bring into existence? Was that FORM a God the Son, the second person of a Godhead Trinity? Was that FORM an ANGEL? Was that FORM a created being named the Word who was with God and the Word created everything else? And did that FORM strip himself of all his own divine nature or did Yahweh strip that FORM which was WITHIN Himself to NOT be brought forth into existence having any divine nature of his own during the days of his FLESH? We ALL agree that that FORM that was stripped of all divine nature to take on human nature was the “logos” of God. Again, below is a complete list of all the studies that I have which show WHY I no longer believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and why I can NEVER believe in the doctrine of Oneness. I assure you that every verse that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus pre-existed in eternity past has another meaning that does NOT contradict any other verses of Scripture in the entire Bible.

Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you CONTINUE to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

 

Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Brother Mark.

 

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!

JOHN 1:1

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

 

JOHN 1:1-3

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” 

 

JOHN 1:1-5,14,18 

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.

4.  In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 

5.  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.…

...14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.…

...18. No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.”

 

JOHN 1:14

 

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

 

JOHN 1:15

 

“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.”

 

JOHN 1:18 

 

John 1:18 (NAS) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

 

JOHN 2:19

 

“ Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

 

JOHN 3:13

 

“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

 

JOHN 3:17

 

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” 

 

JOHN 3:31

 

He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.”

 

JOHN 6:32 

         

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven

 

JOHN 6:33 

 

For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”

 

JOHN 6:38

 

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

JOHN 6:42 

 

“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?”

 

JOHN 6:50 

 

“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.”

 

JOHN 6:51

 

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eats of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 

JOHN 6:58

 

“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live forever.”

 

JOHN 6:62 

 

“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”

 

JOHN 8:14

 

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”

 

JOHN 8:23 

 

“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”

 

JOHN 8:24

 

“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.”

 

JOHN 8:42,43

        

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 

43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.”

 

JOHN 8:58

 

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

 

JOHN 10:30.31

 

I and my Father are one

31.  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.” 

 

JOHN 14:8-10

 

“Philip said unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 

9.  Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father? 

10.  Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works. 

JOHN 16:27,28 

 

“For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God

18. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

 

JOHN 17:5

 

“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

 

JOHN 17:8 

 

“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.”

 

 

JOHN 17:24

 

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”

 

MATTHEW 1:23

 

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

 

ROMANS 8:3 

 

“For what the law could not do, in that, it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:4

 

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 15:47  

 

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

 

2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  

 

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”

 

GALATIANS 4:4

 

“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

EPHESIANS 3:9-11

 

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hidden in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”

 

EPHESIANS 4:10 

 

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”

 

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 

 

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him, all things consist.”

 

1 TIMOTHY 3:16

 

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

 

TITUS 2:13,14

 

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

14.  Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

 

HEBREWS 1:1,2

 

“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

 

HEBREWS 2:14-17

 

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 

15.  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 

16. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”

 

HEBREWS 5:8

 

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”

  

HEBREWS 10:5 

 

“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

 

HEBREWS 13:8

 

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” 

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8

 

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

 

1 JOHN 1:1,2

 

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested unto us;)”

 

1 JOHN 5:7

 

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 

 

1 JOHN 5:20

 

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

 

REVELATION 3:14 

 

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”

 

GENESIS 1:26

 

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

 

PROVERBS 8:22-31 

 

“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”

 

MICAH 5:2

 

“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

 

ISAIAH 9:6

 

“For unto us, a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

 

ANGEL OF THE LORD VERSES

 

Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also, please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the Trinity, the Oneness doctrine, and the Deity of Jesus.

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the Trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self-same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immanuel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with His own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest in the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.

       

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Now, I, myself, do not find one verse in the entire Bible that prophesies of God the Son being sent down from heaven to incarnate himself as the Son of God having TWO natures, one divine, and one human.

More Scriptures that show the TRUE Jesus to be the fulfillment of the Scriptures of PROPHECY that you can look up on your own: Luk_24:6-7, Luk_9:22, Luk_18:31-33; Mat_16:21, Mat_17:22-23, Mat_20:18-19; Mar_8:31-32, Mar_9:31; Mar_10:33-34; 1Pe_1:10-11; Rev_19:10+++ Joh_16:4-5, Joh_16:16-17, Joh_17:11-13+++Luk_24:26-27, Luk_24:46, Luk_21:22; Mat_26:54, Mat_26:56; Joh_19:24-37; Act_3:18, Act_13:29-31, Act_13:33; 1Co_15:3-4

In the law: Gen_3:15, Gen_14:18, Gen_22:18, Gen_49:10; Lev_16:2-19; Num_21:8, Num_35:25; Deu_18:15-19; Joh_3:14, Joh_5:46; Act_3:22-24, Act_7:37; Heb_3:5, Heb_7:1, Heb_9:8, Heb_10:1

In the prophets: Luk_24:27; Act_10:43; Isa_7:14, Isa_9:6, Isa_11:1-10, Isa_28:16, Isa_40:1-11, Isa_42:1-4, Isa_49:1-8, Isa_50:2-6; Isa_52:13-15, Isa_53:1-12, Isa_61:1-3; Jer_23:5, Jer_33:14; Eze_17:22, Eze_34:23; Dan_2:44, Dan_7:13, Dan_9:24-27; Hos_1:7-11, Hos_3:5; Joe_2:28-32; Amo_9:11; Mic_5:1-4; Hag_2:7-9; Zec_6:12, Zec_9:9, Zec_11:8-13, Zec_12:10, Zec_13:7, Zec_14:4; Mal_3:1-3, Mal_4:2-6

In the psalms: Psa_2:1-12, Psa_16:9-11, Psa_22:1-31, Psa_40:6-8, Psa_69:1-36, Psa_72:1-20, Psa_88:1-18; Psa_109:4-20, Psa_110:1-7, Psa_118:22; Joh_5:39; Act_17:2-3; 1Pe_1:11; Rev_19:10.

 

And as I promised here is the list of the six main headings that list all the studies I have on this subject as to who Jesus is according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

I will also give this list of the six following headings again at the end of this study so you can stay focused on one study at a time.

 

>>>A LIST OF STUDIES ON THE TRINITY!<<<

 

>>>IS THE DOCTRINE OF ONENESS BIBLICAL?<<<

 

>>>WHO OR WHAT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?<<<

 

>>>IS JESUS THE CREATOR?<<<

 

>>>WAS JESUS CREATED?<<<

 

>>>WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG?<<<

 

And for further studies on false teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ please read the studies listed throughout all the studies here at AMatterOfTruth.com and view the videos under the tab at the top called >>>FALSE TEACHINGS!<<< Under that heading, you will find the facts of what religious groups like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Islam teach about Jesus as compared to the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, as in, the WHOLE word of Almighty God. And by the phrase “the WHOLE word of Almighty God”, I mean that all verses of Scripture must be correctly interpreted in the LIGHT of the whole word of God and compared with all other correctly interpreted verses of Scripture, as opposed to, interpreting a few verses that are taken OUT of context to teach what is not the truth of the WHOLE word of God. For you see, whenever any INTERPRETATION of a verse of Scripture CONTRADICTS any other verses of Scripture that are correctly interpreted in the light of the whole word of Almighty God then that INTERPRETATION is NOT the correct interpretation. So always interpret the hard “controversial” verses in the light of the SIMPLE CLEAR verses that do not need any interpretation to understand what they mean.

Plain and simple, if the gospel you have been taught does NOT follow the teachings of the WHOLE word of Almighty God under the NEW COVENANT written in the New Testament, then you have NOT been taught the TRUE BIBLICAL Jesus. Again, this does NOT necessarily mean that you are not saved, but rather, that you may not be walking with God in the FULL potential that our heavenly Father desires for you to walk. If you do not understand what I mean by this please be patient, this will all become clear as you read all the studies I give links to within this study. But you must have a sincere desire to know the truth and nothing but the truth.

So let us begin this study in God's word by me giving you a list of titles of Jesus during the days of his FLESH. Again, I will give this same list at the end of this study as well but for now, I would like you to simply read the list of titles of who Jesus was CALLED before Jesus ascended into heaven. There are actually FIVE AGES of Jesus and Jesus is something different in each of those five ages. I will also give the link to the study on the five ages of Jesus at the end of this study as well. But for now, please stay focused on reading THIS entire study first. Here are twelve titles of Jesus as to who Jesus is according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY.

 

Remember that Jesus is something DIFFERENT is each of the FIVE AGES of Jesus. So please read the study “THE FIVE AGES OF JESUS!”

 

#1. Jesus is the “I AM HE”!

 

Jesus said and if you do not believe I am he you will die in your sins. In other words, Jesus is the fulfillment of PROPHECY! What I mean by this is that Jesus is the one who was prophesied to come. Please read the following studies “PROPHECIES OF JESUS BEING THE MESSIAH!”, 365 PROPHECIES OF JESUS!”, “HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF JESUS!”, “WHO IS THE TRUE MESSIAH?”, and “JOHN 8:24 IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE!”

 

#2. Jesus is the Son of MAN!

 

Jesus fulfilled the prophecies in the Old Testament Scriptures in the ORDER that the events of prophecy were prophesied. So this list of who Jesus is, according to the Bible itself is listed in the order that they were prophesied. In other words, Jesus did not come as the King of kings FIRST. But rather, Jesus was born of a VIRGIN first to suffer for the sins of the people. And then, Jesus will come again as the King of Israel. Please read the study “JESUS THE SON OF MAN!”

 

#3. Jesus is the CHRIST!

 

The word “Christ” does indeed mean the Messiah but before the Son of MAN, Jesus, actually became the Messiah by his death on the cross, God ANOINTED the Son of MAN. Many times in the Bible the word translated as “SENT” means COMMISSIONED and sending, as opposed to Orthodox Christianity meaning of being sent down from heaven. In other words, God ANOINTED the Son of MAN at his baptism by John the Baptist with His Holy Spirit and power to be able to accomplish the task that his God and Father commissioned or sent him out into the world to do. Please read the studies “JESUS THE CHRIST!” and “JESUS SAID WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?”

 

#4. Jesus is the SON OF God!

 

Jesus was prophesied to be called the Son of God but the Son of MAN was not called the Son of God until his baptism by John the Baptist. This was when Yahweh the Father announced the Son of MAN as being His Son in whom he is well pleased. Please read the study “JESUS THE SON OF GOD!”

 

#5. Jesus is our FELLOW SERVANT!

 

Jesus is our BROTHER. We will be JOINT-HEIRS with Jesus. Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS unto God. Jesus is the CAPTAIN of our Salvation gone before us. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature in the image of God. And we are being conformed into the image of God’s dear Son. Jesus is the firstborn among MANY BRETHREN. Please read the study “JESUS OUR FELLOW SERVANT!”

 

#6. Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God!

 

To learn the TRUE meaning of “ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God” please read the study “JESUS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!”

 

#7. Jesus is the FULNESS of the Godhead BODILY!

 

For the true SOUND Biblical meaning of Jesus being the fulness of the Godhead please read the study “JESUS THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD!”

 

#8. Jesus is GOD!

 

And according to the Bible ITSELF, Jesus is “A” God under and subject TO HIS God and Father who ALONE is the ONLY TRUE God. Please BEGIN with the study “37 FACTS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!” And under four numbers I will list four things that Jesus is NOT.

 

#9. Jesus is NOT the FATHER!

 

Please read ALL the studies under the heading >>>IS THE ONENESS DOCTRINE BIBLICAL?<<<

 

#10. Jesus is NOT Almighty God Himself!

 

But rather Jesus is the IMAGE OF the invisible God. Please read the study “IS JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD?”

 

#11. Jesus is NOT Yahweh Himself!

 

Jesus came out from God but that does not mean that Jesus is Yahweh Himself. Please read the study “IS JESUS YAHWEH?”

 

#12. Jesus is NOT God the Son, the second person of the Godhead Trinity God who always existed without beginning in eternity past!

 

Please read ALL the studies listed under the heading >>>A LIST OF STUDIES ON THE TRINITY!<<<

 

 

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