DOES JOHN 1:15 PROVE JESUS PREEXISTED?



DOES JOHN 1:15 PROVE JESUS PREEXISTED?



Let us begin this study in God’s word by reading John 1:15 out of its context first to see how some Christians INTERPRET this verse to mean that Jesus pre-existed as God the Son, the second person of a Trinity Godhead. And then we will read it in its context to see what this verse mean in relation to its context.

John 1:15.


“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.”


This last phrase for he was before me.” is INTERPRETED By Some Christians to mean that Jesus EXISTED BEFORE John the Baptist was born, as in, Jesus pre-existed in eternity past. We know that Jesus was miraculously conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary six months after John the Baptist was naturally conceived in the womb of Elizabeth and that John the Baptist was born before the Virgin birth of Jesus. So what Trinitarian Christians claim that this verse means is that Jesus PREEXISTED in all eternity past as God the Son.


But is this a correct interpretation of John’s words? What else does John say in the context?


Well, in this verse John is telling us exactly what he means by saying Jesus was BEFORE him where John said that Jesus is PREFERRED before him.

Please read John 1:15 again.


“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is PREFERRED BEFORE me: for he was before me.”


The Greek word “ginomai” translated as PREFERRED means to cause to be, that is to become, come into being to bring to pass, arise, be ordained to be, be fulfilled.

In other words, John is saying that this MAN of whom John spoke of earlier was PROPHESIED in Scripture as being ordained to be ABOVE me, speaking of himself this messenger John the Baptist.

There are two Greek words translated as “before” in this verse. The first Greek word “emprosthen” which is Strong’s #1715 means in front of in place or in front of in time. And in this context, we can clearly see it means in front of IN PLACE or in position. And the second Greek word translated as before is “protos” which is Stong’s #4413 and it means foremost in time, in place, in order and foremost in importance. It is translated 86 times as FIRST, 10 times, as CHIEF, 2 times, as BEFORE, 2 times, as former, 1 time, as BEST, 1 time as CHIEFEST.

The other time Strong’s #4413 is translated as “before” is in John 1:30 where John is still speaking on this same subject of the Son of MAN Jesus being PREFERRED before himself.

John 1:30.


“This is he of whom I said, (or this is he whom I have been preaching about who would be coming saying) After me comes a MAN which is PREFERRED BEFORE me: for he was before me.


John 1:15 is saying that same thing.


“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is PREFERRED BEFORE me: for he was before me.”


Only this time in verse 30 the Son of MAN Jesus is right there for everyone to SEE with their own eyes the MAN whom John the Baptist had been witnessing to them that he was coming to be their Messiah, the LAMB that would be slain for their sins. Jesus was slain in the mind and plan of God BEFORE the foundation of the world.

What we see here is that John had been teaching his followers of a MAN who would be coming who was PROPHESIED to come to be who is ordained of God to be ABOVE him and therefore John must DECREASE and the prophesied one to come must INCREASE ABOVE John the Baptist. That is what the CONTEXT is teaching us. In other words, the correct interpretation of the word "before" is that Jesus is before John is POSITION of honor.

Please read John 1:25-37.


“And they asked him, and said unto him, WHY baptize you then, if you be NOT that Christ, nor Elijah, neither that prophet?

26.  John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there stands one among you, whom you know not;

27.  HE it is, who coming after me is PREFERRED BEFORE me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. (for he was before me, in that, God has ordained him ABOVE me.)

28.  These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

29.  The next day John SEES Jesus coming unto him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.

30.  This is HE of whom I said, (or this is the MAN that God told me to bear witness of that would be coming after me and that I was to decrease and point my followers to now follow HIM saying to you) After me comes a MAN which is PREFERRED BEFORE me: for he was before me. (or he was PROPHESIED or he was told to me by God that he was ORDAINED by God to be ABOVE me and that I must DECREASE while HE must INCREASE.)

31.  And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32.  And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33.  And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom you shall SEE the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost.

34.  And I SAW, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

35.  Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

36.  And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he said, Behold the Lamb of God!

37.  And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.”


So then, according to the CONTEXT John the Baptist is NOT teaching a PREEXISTING God the Son but rather John is simply testifying that God told him that a MAN was coming after him who God ordained to be ABOVE John and that John was to preach about God’s MESSIAH who was PROPHESIED in Scripture to come. John was told by God that he must DECREASE and point his disciples to Jesus who must INCREASE. And that is exactly what John the Baptist did.

Please read John 3:29-36.


“He that has the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

30.  He must INCREASE, but I must DECREASE.

31.  He that comes from above is ABOVE ALL: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is ABOVE ALL.

32.  And what he has seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receives his testimony.

33.  He that has received his testimony has set to his seal that God is true.

34.  For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35.  The Father loves THE Son, and has given all things into his hand.

36.  He that believes on THE Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not THE Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.”


Now the ONLY reason for why anyone teaches that Jesus PREEXISTED in eternity past is to try and prove that Jesus IS the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF. And not just for the sake of proving that Jesus is Yahweh himself but rather to try and prove that if YOU do NOT believe that Jesus PREEXISTED and that Jesus IS Yahweh himself then YOU are NOT saved.


IF SO BE this were true then WHY do we not see verse after verse in the Bible ITSELF teaching us this so-called truth in SIMPLICITY? I mean IF our very salvation depends on us believing that Jesus IS the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF then why does the Bible ITSELF NOT state this in SIMPLICITY.

To say this another way, WHY does the BIBLE ITSELF STRESS over and over that we must believe that Jesus is the SON OF the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who is ALWAYS clearly identified as being the FATHER if so be that we must believe that Jesus is Almighty God himself in order to be save?

Please read John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 6:8 where the FATHER is clearly identified as being the ONE TRUE God and Jesus is clearly identified as our Lord whom God sent.

John 17:1-3.


“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you:

2.  As YOU have GIVEN him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him.

3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”


1 Corinthians 8:6.


“But to us (as Christians) there is but ONE God, the FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”


So then, Jesus HIMSELF clearly identifies the ONE and ONLY TRUE God as being his God and Father and the disciples of Jesus clearly identify the FATHER as being the ONE God but when the council of Nicea come along and says NO this is NOT what the Bible teaches and takes centuries to form the doctrine of the Trinity that the true God is THREE separate distinct persons in the one Godhead then we are to SUBMIT to THEIR Trinity doctrine our be called a HERETIC.


Well, if believing exactly what the Bible itself teaches means that I am a HERETIC according to the council of Nicea then I am  heretic because I can no longer believe in the man-made false doctrine of the Trinity Godhead.

Jesus is God’s SON whom God made to be both Lord and Christ.


Now some Christians use John 3:31 and John 17:3 to try and prove that God the Son was SENT DOWN from heaven to become flesh BUT the Son of man Jesus REMAINED the FULLY Almighty God himself and thus Jesus had TWO natures at the SAME time, one divine and one human.

Have YOU ever read such a verse from the Bible ITSELF? Of course the answer must be a NO because there is no such verse in the Bible teaching us that Jesus had TWO natures during the days of his flesh.

Most all the verses used to TRY and prove that Jesus preexisted as God the Son the second person of a Trinity Godhead come from the Gospel of John. But we know that John would NOT contradict his own words in John 17:1-3 which we just read and John 20:31.


“But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the CHRIST, the SON OF God; and that believing you might have life through his name.”

Below is a list of all the verses that are used to TRY and prove that Jesus preexisted as God the Son the second person of a Trinity Godhead. I have given you the reader an alternate interpretation of all those verses which do not contradict any other part of God’s word as the Trinitarian interpretations of those same verses to form the doctrine of the Trinity do indeed contradict other parts of God’s word.

Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark


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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!

 

JOHN 1:1-3

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.”

 

JOHN 3:13

 

“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

 

JOHN 3:17

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

 

JOHN 3:31

 

“He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.

 

JOHN 6:32


        “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven”

 

JOHN 6:33

 

For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”

 

JOHN 6:38

 

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

JOHN 6:42

“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

 

JOHN 6:50

“ This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

 

JOHN 6:51

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

JOHN 6:58

“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.

 

JOHN 6:62

 

“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”

 

JOHN 8:14

 

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”

 

JOHN 8:23

 

“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”

 

JOHN 8:24

 

“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

 

JOHN 8:42,43

       “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

       43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.”


 

JOHN 8:58

 

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

 

JOHN 16:28

 

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

 

JOHN 17:5

 

“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

 

JOHN 17:8

 

“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.

 

 

JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)

 

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”

 

ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)

 

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)

 

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)

 

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

 

2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)

 

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”

 

GALATIANS 4:4

 

“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

EPHESIANS 3:9-11

 

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”

 

EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)

 

“Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”

 

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)

 

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

 

HEBREWS 1:2

 

“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

 

Hebrews 2:16,17

 

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”

 

Hebrews 5:8

 

“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”

 

HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)

 

“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8

 

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

 

1 John 1:1,2

 

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

         2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”

 

REVELATION 3:14

 

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”

 

MICAH 5:2

 

“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

 

GENESIS 1:26

 

 

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

 

PROVERBS 8:22  (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)

 

 

“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”

 

 

Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.

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            Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the Trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self-same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immauel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.