DID THE FATHER BECOME THE SON?


DID THE FATHER BECOME THE SON?



Did Almighty God the Father manifest himself to become the Son? In other words, does the Bible itself teach us that Jesu is the Father and the Father is his Son Jesus, as in, they are one and the self same being?

Here are are some things to consider.

#1. Does a single being have TWO souls?

#2. Does a single being have TWO wills?


Most every Christian knows how Jesus prayed to his Father in the garden asking God if there was another way other than him dying on the cross and then Jesus said to the Father “ Nevertheless not MY WILL but YOUR WILL be done.”


Luke 22:42.


“And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42.  Saying, Father, if you be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but yours, be done.”


Then we read in John 5:30 that Jesus did not come to do his OWN WILL but rather he came to do the FATHERS WILL.


John 5:30.


“I can of mine OWN SELF do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not MY OWN WILL, but the WILL OF the Father which has sent me.”


Jesus clearly speak of himself as being his OWN SELF as opposed to being the Father’s SELF. Jesus has his OWN WILL and Almighty God the Father has his OWN WILL. This alone should be enough to prove to those Christians who believe that Jesus IS the Father, as in, the Father manifested himself to become his Son and therefore the Father IS the SON.

They argue that it was the Spirit in Jesus who has his own will and the FLESH of Jesus who had his own will. In other words, Oneness believers and other Christians who believe that Jesus is one and the self same being as the Father interpret the verses of Scripture that state as a fact that the Father DWELT IN the Son as meaning that the real Jesus was the eternal Spirit dwelling in a BODY which is NOT a real person. They use the analogy that the real us lives in a body and our body is not the real us.

Please read 1 Thessalonians 5:23 which teaches us that our WHOLE being is spirit, soul AND body.


1 Thessalonians 5:23.


“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”


We are not a whole being without our SOUL and our BODY. So then does Almighty God the Father have his OWN SOUL? And does the Son of man Jesus have his OWN SOUL.


Please read Matthew 12:17,18.


“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying,

18.  Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom MY SOUL is well pleased: I will put MY SPIRIT UPON him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.”


This is a prophecy found in Isaiah 42:1 where Yahweh is speaking of his Messiah, his elect or his chosen one, his servant, his beloved in WHOM Yahweh’s SOUL is well pleased. And Yahweh goes on to say that he will put HIS Spirit UPON his servant Jesus.

We later learn in Colossians 2:9 that the fulness of the Godhead DWELT IN the body of Jesus.

Colossians 2:8,9.


Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT after Christ. (or and NOT after the ANOINTING)

9.  FOR (or BECAUSE) IN him DWELLS all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”


Jesus said that the Father DWELT IN him. Jesus did not say that the Father dwelt in the BODY he made for himself. But some translations translate Colossians 2:9 as “For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily FORM” but the word “form” is not in the original text and was added by the translator.

A BODILY FORM or a form of a BODY does not have its OWN SOUL and its OWN WILL and Jesus has both his OWN WILL and his OWN SOUL. The Father gave Jesus the instruction that he could lay down his life or he could keep his life but thanks be to God and his Son that Jesu made the choice of his OWN free WILL to lay down his like for our sin. And not only for our sin but the sins of the whole world so that WHOSOEVER believes might be saved.

Please read the fulfilment of the prophecy that King David wrote down speaking of God’s Messiah where God prophesied that he would not leave the SOUL of his Son Jesus in hell. I have quoted prophecy referring to Jesus before where King David is speaking and I have been accused of reading into the words of David to mean the Messiah as being God’s FIRSTBORN whom God would exalt higher than the kings of the earth so I want to make sure my readers understand that the Apostles of Jesus are saying that these words of David are NOT speaking of David but rather they are speaking of God’s Messiah whom we know beyond any doubt is Jesus of Nazareth.

Acts 2:22-36.


“You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you yourselves also know: (when we command sickness to leave in the name of Jesus is is not we who are doing the healing but rather it is God IN us who is the one doing the healing. And the same was true with Jesus who said that he could do nothing of his OWN SELF and it was the Father IN him who did the works.)

23.  Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24.  Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25.  For David speaks concerning him, (Jesus of Nazareth the MAN approved by God whom God raised up from the dead) I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26.  Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also MY flesh shall rest in hope: (and NOT Yahweh’s flesh shall rest in hope)

27.  Because YOU (Yahweh) will not leave MY SOUL in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (So then, God’s Holy One his Messiah Jesus of Nazareth had his OWN BODY of flesh and his OWN SOUL and Yahweh the Father did not leave either his Messiah’s SOUL in hell or his BODY in the grave.)

28.  You have made known to me the ways of life; you shall make me full of joy with YOUR countenance. (or your presence or your glory)

29.  Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

30.  Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31.  He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL was not left in hell, neither HIS FLESH did see corruption.

32.  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (so then, there should be no doubt that Jesus has his OWN SOUL, his OWN WILL and his OWN body of flesh)

33.  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having RECEIVED OF the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.

34.  For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit you on my right hand,  (So then, Yahweh made the Son of MAN Jesus who has his own soul his own will and his own body of flesh to be both Lord and Christ.)

35.  Until I make your foes your footstool.

36.  Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”


Jesus also had his OWN spirit.

Please read Matthew 2:8.


“And immediately when Jesus perceived in HIS SPIRIT that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason you these things in your hearts?”


Mark 8:12.


“And he sighed deeply in HIS SPIRIT, and said, Why does this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.”


Mark 10:45 teaches us that Jesus gave HIS LIFE as a ransom for us.


“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give HIS LIFE a ransom for many.”


John 10:17.


“Therefore does MY Father love ME, because I lay down MY LIFE, that I might take it again.”


It does not say that my Father loves himself because he lays down his life. Jesus never spoke of himself as being one and the self same being as Yahweh the Father whom Jesus always refers to as being HIS God and HIS Father.

The verses like John 12:45, John 14:7, and John 14:9 are interpreted to mean that Jesus is emphatically saying that he IS the FATHER HIMSELF in the flesh case closed end of discussion. If this were true then why do NONE of the Apostles of Jesus say to us that Jesus is the Father? Why do the Apostles of Jesus always clearly identify God as being the Father and Jesus as being God’s SON?

Keep in mind that most every time Oneness believers and other Christians who dogmatically demand that Jesus is the Father they will quote these verses OUT of their CONTEXT. Now someone could say that the Bible says that Jesus has a Devil why here you him but that would NOT be what the Bible ITSELF teaches us. Rather that would be what the Jews falsely accused Jesus of having. Let us read these verses used by those Christians who sincerely believe with all their heart and mind that Jesus is the Father. But let us read those verse out of their context first.


John 12:45.


“And he that sees ME sees HIM that sent me.”

John 14:7.


“If you had known ME, you should have known my Father also: and from henceforth you know him, and HAVE SEEN HIM.”


John 14:9.

“He who has seen ME HAS seen the FATHER.”


Now certainly when one reads these verses out of their context they seem like they are saying that Jesus is saying that he is the Father. But if we keep these verses in their CONTEXT it becomes quite clear to anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear that Jesus is NOT saying that he himself is the Father.

So let us read the context of John 12:45 by reading John 12:26-29 first and then skip down to John 12:44-50.


John 12:26-29.


“If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will MY Father honor.

27.  Now is MY SOUL troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save ME from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

28.  Father, glorify your name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.”


If language means anything at all then Jesus is clearly and plainly speaking of two separate persons in these verse and refers to the Father as being HIS Father and NOT that he himself is the Father.

Now let us skip down to John 12:44-50.


“Jesus cried and said, He that believes on ME, believes NOT on ME, but on HIM that SENT ME. (Why did Jesus say this? Jesus said this because the WORDS he spoke were NOT his OWN words but rather they were the words of Yahweh the Father who sent Jesus to speak his God and father words. Jesus also said these words because the works that men saw Jesus doing were not his OWN works but rather they were the works of the Father who DWELT IN Jesus)

45.  And he that sees ME sees HIM that SENT ME. (And why did Jesus say these words? Again Jesus said these words because the WORKS that men saw Jesus doing were not his OWN works but rather the WORKS men saw Jesus doing were the Father’s WORKS. Also the word translated as “sees” carries the meaning of discerning or UNDERSTANDING the teachings or the words of Jesus)

46. I am come a light into the world, (light brings UNDERSTANDING so one can SEE. Jesus was anointed by God to teach the WORDS that the Father GAVE to him to speak) that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.

47.  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48.  He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49.  For I have not spoken of MYSELF; but the Father which SENT ME, he gave me a commandment, what I should SAY, and what I should SPEAK.

50.  And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”



So according to the CONTEXT Jesus is simply saying that if you UNDERSTAND him then you have UNDERSTOOD the Father who SENT him. Jesus said this same thing in different words to the Jews who were not believing the words of Jesus and who boasted of Moses. Jesus told them that if they truly believed Moses then they would believe him also because Moses spoke of him. Let us take a moment and read that passage of Scripture found in John 5:


“I am come in MY Father's NAME, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. (speaking of Muhammad and other false prophets))

44.  How can you believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that comes from God only?

45.  Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuses you, even Moses, in whom you trust.

46.  For had you believed Moses, you would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

47.  But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words?”


Here is the thing. There is not one single prophecy that says that God would come down to the earth and become a human being. There is not one single prophecy that says that God would die on the cross. But there are many prophecies of God raising up a Prophet from among his people who would be God’ servant whom he would ANOINT with his Spirit. There are prophecies that God would hold his hand and help him and not leave his soul in hell.

Now let us read the context of John 14:7,9. Please read John 14:1 first and then we will skip down to John 14:6-13.


John 14:1.


“Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe ALSO in ME.”


Jesus is clearly teaching us that he is a separate person from his God and Father. They already believed in God and now Jesus is teaching them to ALSO believe in Him that he is the Messiah the one prophesied in the Scripture who would come and God would ANOINT. Jesus goes on to say that in HIS Father’s house are many mansions and that he is going to prepare a place for us so that we can be where Jesus was which is speaking of the Holy Spirit of Yahweh DWELLING IN him.

Now let us read John 14:6-13.


“Jesus said unto him, I am the WAY, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but BY ME. (Jesus is saying that he is the only WAY TO the Father where again Jesus is plainly speaking for two separate persons, the Father and himself. Jesus did not say that he was the only way to himself. Jesus clearly spoke to us as the Father being HIS God.)

7.  If you had known me, you should have known MY Father ALSO: and from henceforth you know him, and have seen him. (again the word translated as know also means UNDERSTAND so Jesus is simply saying that if you had UNDERSTOOD me you should have UNDERSTOOD my Father ALSO.)

8.  Philip said unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffices us.

9.  Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known (understood) me, Philip? he that has seen (discerned or experienced) me (speaking of being the eye witnesses of the WORKS Jesus did through the eternal Spirit dwelling in him and also UNDERSTANDING his WORDS he spoke to them that he is the Messiah the one prophesied to come then they would) have seen the Father (or understood and experienced the love of the Father sending them a Messiah); and how say you then, Show us the Father?

10.  Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father IN me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of OF MYSELF: but the Father that DWELLS IN me, he does the works. (that you have seen and experienced me doing as being eye witnesses of those WORKS)

11.  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father IN me: or ELSE believe me for the VERY WORKS’ SAKE.

12. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (to prepare a place for you so that the Holy Spirit can also DWELL IN You as he now dwells IN ME to empower me to do the wonderful WORKS OF God working through me.)

13.  And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.”


Jesus is simply saying that if you do not believe my WORDS that I am from God and that it was God who gave me those words to speak to you then at least believe the WORKS that you see me do and know and understand that it is NOT ME who is doing those WORKS but it is the Father dwelling IN me who is the one doing the works.

Now some will still yet argue that Jesus also said that he was IN the Father and say does that not sound like to you that Jesus is saying that he is the Father?

To this arguement I say no it does not. Why do I say this? I say this because of the context and I also say this because that Bible itself clearly teaches us that WE are IN God and God is IN us but that does not make us to BE one and the self-same being as God the Father.

Please read 1 John 4:13-16.


“Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, BECAUSE he has given us of his Spirit.

14.  And we have seen (or UNDERSTOOD perfectly) and do testify that the Father SENT the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15.  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the SON OF God, (and NOT that Jesus IS the FATHER) God dwells in him, and he in God.

16.  And we have known and believed the love that God has to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.”


Now if so be that Jesus intended his words to mean that he was saying that he himself is Yahweh the Father who manifested himself to become the Son then why did Jesus clearly and plainly identify the FATHER as being the ONLY TRUE God in John 17:1-3?


“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify YOUR Son, that YOUR Son also may glorify YOU: (sounds like two separate persons to me)

2.  As YOU have GIVEN him power over all flesh, THAT (or so that or in order that) he should give eternal life to as many as YOU have given him. (Now Jesus is going to tell us HOW to receive ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come)

3.  And THIS IS life eternal, (WHAT is life eternal?) THAT they might know YOU the ONLY true God, AND (that they might know) Jesus Christ, (or Jesus ANOINTED) whom YOU have SENT.”


The world translated as SENT here literally means COMMISSIONED. Click on the link literally and read the literal translation for yourself. And then click on the link COMMISSION and read the definition for yourself. The word commission means to grant someone authority and power to carry out a task that they are given to do. And this is what the word ANOINTED means as well. Jesus was not sent down from heaven but rather God ANOINTED or COMMISSION the Son of MAN with power and authority from on high to do the WILL of hs God and Father the ONLY TRUE God.

Most of my readers know that I do NOT believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. I also teach that I do NOT believe in the doctrine of Oneness which wrongly teaches that Jesus is one and the self same being as the Father. But until recently I never really wrote any studies to refute the Oneness belief because to ME it has always been so nonsensical which means that it simple does not make any sense whatsoever to ME. I mean that to ME it is so blatantly obvious that Jesus is a separate distinct person from the Father that I did not feel that I needed to explain the Scriptures verse by verse so that other could see that Jesus never ever claimed that he was the Father.

Just recently a dear brother in the Lord wrote to me with a verse that he is sincerely convinced proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus MUST be the Father and that there is no other way to explain this verse because there can only be ONE God. Here is the verse he quoted.

Please read Isaiah 43:10.


“You are my witnesses, says the LORD (or says Yahweh who we all agree is the Father), and my servant whom I have chosen: (who is the one whom God chose to be his Messiah) that YOU (my servant and my witnesses) may know and believe ME, and understand that I am HE (who has chosen YOU): before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”


Please notice that even in the King James Version we see the word FORMED which teaches us that Yahweh is is able to FORM a God. But brother Mark it says that the was NO God FORMED and neither shall there be AFTER me so does that not mean that Yahweh is the ONLY God?

No, it does not because other verses clearly teach us that Yahweh is the ONLY TRUE God who is the ALMIGHTY God THE God OF Gods. So God formed or set up certain ones of his creation to be Gods or mighty ones to oversee different parts of his creation. God gave Adam or mankind DOMINION over the earth. We are called Gods in Psalm 86 which is the very verse Jesus quoted to the Jews when they wrongly accused Jesu of making himself EQUAL with God.


Psalm 86:


“I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7.  But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8.  Arise, O God, judge the earth: for YOU shall INHERIT all nations.”


WHO is the God who shall INHERIT the earth and all nations? Is it Yahweh himself who ALREADY OWNS every thing that he has created or is it the God whom he FORMED but that he did NOT form in faces of himself? You see the word translated as “BEFORE” me literally read to faces of me. In other words, Isaiah is not saying that God has not formed a God but rather Yahweh did not form this God in eternity past as God the Son the second person of a Trinity Godhead.

Please read the LITERAL translation of Isaiah 43:10-12.


“You witnesses of me saying of Yahweh or thus says Yahweh and servant of me whom I chose so that you shall know and you shall believe to me and understand that I he TO faces of me not he was formed El and after me not he shall become.

11. I I Yahweh and there is no APART from me one saving.

12. I I tell and I save and I announce and there is no IN you alien one and you witnesses of me says Yahweh and I El.”


In other words, Yahweh did not form his Son before his face in eternity past. And Yahweh is prophesying that this God whom he is forming will NOT seek to become EQUAL with him like Lucifer did. The reason I say this is because the Hebrew word translated a “AFTER” can also mean to PURSUE which mean to follow in effort to overtake like Lucifer did. This word also means to REMAIN and we know that Jesus will not REMAIN as a RULER FOR Yahweh after the yet future 1000 years has ended because 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 clearly teaches us that Jesus will commit the kingdom back into his Father’s hands after the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus. And yes, this word also mean after which teaches us that after Jesus there will be no more need for Yahweh to form any other Gods like Jesus.

Yahweh goes on to ASSURE the Son of MAN Jesus that the one dwelling IN him is NOT and ALIEN one or a strange god, a demon or a devil but rather it is Yahweh himself DWELLING IN him and in us his witnesses. And in the last phrase we can see BOTH Yahweh AND the God he FORMED saying to us his witnesses that there is no alien one in us either.

I know that if this is the first time you have heard this verse explained this way that you will accuse me of twisting God’s word to fit my own theology but if you look the meaning of the Hebrew words up for yourself and compare those meanings with other verses like the following verses then you will understand that APART from God forming other Gods there are no other Gods. To say this any way, God set up Lucifer to be a God over the earth before mankind was ever created but then Lucifer became filled with pride and began to PURSUE God to try and take over his throne by FORCE. So while Satan is called the God of this present world Yahweh did not set him to be so. Satan is a rebel God who is making war with Yahweh.

In truth, Jesus existed in the FORM of God’s THOUGHTS as how he wanted his Messiah to be like. And while FORMING these thoughts in his mind he chose for his Messiah to NOT be like Satan who sought by FORCE to grasp at EQUALITY with God. And then God PROPHESIED everything he FORMED in his mind for his Messiah to be like and God’s SPOKEN word became flesh being FORMED in the womb of the Virgin Mary to be born as the Son of MAN who would lay down his OWN LIFE of his OWN free WILL. And then as his reward God GLORIFIED the Son of MAN and gave him his very own NAME “Yahweh” so that at the NAME every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord TO the GLORY OF God the Father.

Please keep in mind that the word “God” is just a TITLE meaning a mighty one. The Bible itself does NOT teach us that there are two Yahwehs or two Gods who are both the ONLY TRUE God. But the Bible ITSELF clearly and plainly teaches us that Jesus is a God who is under and subject to HIS God and Father who he clearly identifies as being the ONLY TRUE God. So the Father is the God OF his Son Jesus which cannot be disputed.

Here are the other highly controversial verses used to try and prove that Jesus MUST be Yahweh himself based on the ASSUMPTION or INTERPRETATION that the verses saying there is ONE God and our God is ONE that those verses MUST mean that there cannot be any other Gods who are under and subject to Yahweh. No, those verses simple mean that there is only ONE TRUE God who alone is Yahweh who we know to be the Father. Those verses do NOT mean that there are no Gods who are UNDER and SUBJECT to Yahweh the ONLY TRUE God.


Isaiah 44:6.


“Thus says the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I (Yahweh) am the first, and I (HIS REDEEMER or his Messiah) am the last; and BESIDE (or APART FROM or WITHOUT) me there is no God.”


Isaiah 44:8.  


“Fear YOU not, neither be afraid: have not I told YOU from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God BESIDE (or APART FROM or WITHOUT) me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”


Isaiah 45:5.  


“I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God BESIDE (or APART FROM or WITHOUT) me: I girded YOU, though YOU have not known ME:”

Isaiah 45:21. Y


“Tell you, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who has DECLARED THIS from ancient time? who hath TOLD IT from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else BESIDE (or APART FROM or WITHOUT) me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none BESIDE (or APART FROM or WITHOUT) me.”



I gave you the links of the LITERAL translation so you can read it for yourself to see that the Hebrew word translated as “BESIDE” also means APART FROM as in, APART FROM or WITHOUT Yahweh there is no God FORMED. Clearly Jesus is a God who is NOT THE one true and only ALMIGHTY God who alone is the Father. So clearly Jesus is NOT the FATHER seeing that he is NOT THE ALMIGHTY God but rather that the Son of God is a God under and subject to HIS God and Father the ONLY TRUE God.

Now just to show you how at times the King James Version is a Trinitarian biased translation please read Isaiah 48:8 with the Strong’s numbers by each English word.


Isaiah 48:8.


“Fear H6342 you not,H408 neither H408 be afraid:H7297 have not H3808 I told H8085 you from that time,H4480 H227 and have declared H5046 it? You H859 are even my witnesses.H5707 Is there H3426 a God H433 beside H4480 H1107 me? yea, there is no H369 God;H6697 I know H3045 not H1077 any.”


Please notice that the second word “God” has a DIFFERENT Strong’s number and if you look this Hebrew word up it means rock, cliff and refuge but the King James version translated it as God and then ADDED the word ANY which is not in the original text to make it sound as if there are not ANY other Gods.

So this verse should read “Is there a God APART FROM me? Yea there is no REFUGE I know not.” And then the context goes on to say that those who make graven images shall not profit them. And then Yahweh asks another question saying WHO has FORMED a God that profits nothing?

Yahweh is saying do not trust in false God’s made with hands and then goes on to say that he has FORMED his SERVANT in verses 21 and 22.


Isaiah 44:21,22.


“Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for you are my servant: I have formed you; you are my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

22.  I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, your transgressions, and, as a cloud, your sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed you.”


And HOW did God redeem Israel? Bu FORMING his Messiah in the womb of the Virgin Mary to be born as the Son of MAN whom God ANOINTED at his baptism COMMISSIONING the Son of man to do all the will of his God and Father even to suffer and die on the cross to become a ransom for the sin of the people. And then as a reward or a joy set before the Son of man to endure the cross Yahweh prophesied that he would be called God of the whole earth and that he would INHERIT the nations and rule FOR Yahweh as the Lord of the Sabbath while Yahweh RESTS during that seventh 1000 year long day of the Lord.


Now some Christians argue that Jesus will RETURN to heaven where is was BEFORE and they use verses like John 6:62 to try and prove that Jesus is RETURNING to HEAVEN.


John 6:62.


“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


Was the Son of MAN ever IN heaven? Does this verse even say that the Son of man will ascend up into HEAVEN where he was before? No! It does not. It says ascend up where he was before. So where was the Son of MAN before he was crucified, died, was buried, and DESCENDED into the heart of the earth the realm of the dead, the nether world? He was ALIVE and on the EARTH.

Then right after Jesus ASCENDED UP from the belly of the earth to where he was before Jesus told Mary Magdalene to NOT TOUCH him BECAUSE he had not yet ascended to the Father. And then later that SAME evening Jesus appeared to his disciples saying HANDLE me and see that I am NOT a SPIRIT because a spirit doe not have flesh and bones and you see me have.

So it should be clear to anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear that right after Jesus spoke to Mary Magdalene the Son of MAN ascended up into heaven was given the divine nature of immortality to be having in himself even as the Father has always had immortality in himself and then the Son of MAN desenced back down to the earth where he was before to show himself ALIVE as an IMMORTAL highly exalted eternal Son of God. Then the Son of MAN ascend BACK up into heaven where he was BEFORE when he ascended the first time right after he was raised from the dead. So none of these verse prove that Jesus pre-existed as a Spirit being named the Word, or as Michael the archangel, or as God the Son, the second person of a Trinity Godhead.

Yahweh alone and by himself created all things so there was no one with God at his side in eternity past whom God used to create all things. Yahweh created all things by SPEAKING them into existence. And ALL the verses in the New testament that SEEM to be saying that Jesus created all things are speaking of God’s NEW CREATION created IN Jesus Christ called “THE ALL”. The word “THINGS” is NOT in the original text. For a deeper understanding of those verses please read the following studies;


“REVELATION 3:14 IS JESUS THE CREATOR?”


“EPHESIANS 3:9-11-DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?”


“COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 WHO CREATED ALL THINGS?”


“GOD’S NEW CREATION CREATED IN JESUS CHRIST!”



Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.


Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark


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