PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE?



DOES PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11

PROVE THAT JESUS PREEXISTED

AS THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD?


Please read Philippians 2:5-11 from several different translations to see that Almighty God HIMSELF through his SPOKEN word BECAME, as in, TRULY BECAME a HUMAN being, the Son of MAN void of any DIVINE NATURE.

Now as you read these different translations please take notice that in every single one of these translations in some manner says that FORM of God stripped himself, laid aside, gave up or emptied himself.

We will cover this ONE point first of the FORM of God EMPTYING HIMSELF to take on human nature, and then come BACK to that last part or the last phrase of verse 6 and examine it more closely.

Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Complete Jerusalem Bible.



Let your attitude toward one another be governed by your being in union with the Messiah Yeshua:

6. Though he was in the FORM of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.

7. On the CONTRARY, he EMPTIED himself(so then, HE speaking of whatever FORM Jesus was IN before the word became flesh that FORM emptied himself of the previous preexisting FORM of God) in that he (that now EMPTIED FORM of God) took the FORM of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being,

8. he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death - death on a stake as a criminal!

9. Therefore (or for this very reason of the Son of God becoming OBEDIENT unto death and OVERCOMING the temptations of the enemy) God raised him to the highest place and gave him the name above every name;

10. that in honor of the name given Yeshua, every knee will bow - in heaven, on earth and under the earth

11. and every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is ADONAI - to the glory of God the Father.”





Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Holman Christian Standard.



Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus,

6. who, existing in the FORM of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

7. INSTEAD He EMPTIED Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had COME as a MAN in His external form,

8. He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-even to death on a cross.

9. For this reason God also HIGHLY EXALTEDHim and gave Him the name that is above every name,

10. so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow- of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth-

11. and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LordTO the glory of God the Father.”




            Again we see that the FORM of God that Jesus preexisted in EMPTIED HIMSELF of that FORM to take on human form.

Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the New Revised Standard Translation.



Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,

6. who, though he was in the FORM of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,

7.  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM,

8. he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death— even death on a cross.

9. THEREFORE God also HIGHLY EXALTED him and gave him the name that is above every name,

10. So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11. And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”



Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Message Bible.



Think of yourselves the WAY Christ Jesus thought of himself.

6. He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

7. Not at all. When the time came, he SET ASIDEthe privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!

8. Having BECOME HUMAN, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death - and the worst kind of death at that: a crucifixion.

9. Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever,

10. so that all created beings in heaven and on earth - even those long ago dead and buried - will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ,

11. and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.”



Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Weymouth New Testament.



Let the SAME disposition be in YOU which was in Christ Jesus.

6. Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped.

7. NAY, He STRIPPED Himself of His glory, and took on Him the nature of a bond servant by BECOMING a MAN like other men.

8. And being recognized as TRULY HUMAN, He humbled Himself and even stooped to die; yes, to die on a cross.

9. It is in consequence of this that God has also so highly exalted Him, and has conferred on Him the Name which is supreme above every other,

10. in order that in the Name of JESUS every knee should bow, of beings in Heaven, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld,

11. and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST is LORDto the glory of God the Father.”


Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the Today's English version.



The attitude you should have is the one Christ Jesus had.

6. He always had the very nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God.

7. Instead of his very own free will he gave it ALL UP , (Jesus GAVE UP the VERY NATURE of God) and took the nature of a servant, He became like man, and appeared in human likeness.

8. He was humble and walked the path of obedience to death---his death on the cross.

9. For this reason God raised him to the highest place above, and gave him the name that is greater than any other name.

10. And so, to honor of the name of Jesus, all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees,

11. and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ in the Lord to the glory of God the Father.”





Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from the Living Bible.



who though he was God, did not demand to cling to his rights as God,

7. But LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory taking the disguise as a slave and becoming like men.”


Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from Phillips Modern English.


For he, who has always been God by NATURE, did not cling to his privileges as God's equal.

7. but he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage by consenting to become a slave by NATURE, and being born a MAN.”



Here is Philippians 2:6,7 from the Jerusalem Bible.



His state was DIVINE, yet he did not cling to his equality with God.

7. But he EMPTIED HIMSELF to assume the condition of a slave, and became as men are; and being found as all men are.”



So then, all of these translations clearly teach us that BEFORE Jesus became Jesus.

His STATE was DIVINE, BUT he EMPTIED HIMSELF.

His FORM was God,  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM.

He was God by NATURE, BUT he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage.

He was God, BUT he LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory.

He had the very NATURE of God, but he GAVE IT ALL UP.

He had the NATURE of God, but he STRIPPED himself of his glory.

He had equal status with God, but he SET ASIDE the privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!



Now, if so be, that one interprets the Word to be a separate person, who was WITH God AT his SIDE, ignoring all the verses that clearly teach us that the word or the LOGOS of God is the SPOKEN word of God, as in, the SAYING of God coming out of the mouth of God, then the Word STILL CHANGED his FORM of having divine nature to BECOME or to be MADE into a HUMAN NATURE. This is what the CONTEXT of Philippians 2:6-11 clearly teaches us. 

The FORM Jesus had BEFORE the word was made FLESH was indeed DIVINE, but that FORM stripped himself of his DIVINE NATURE to take on HUMAN NATURE. The word was made FLESH.

So then, the whole THEORY that Jesus had simultaneously TWO NATURES at the SAME time during the days of his FLESH is pure fiction that the word of TRUTH does NOT teach. With that being said let us continue to this study in God's word to take a CLOSER look at what some other dogmatic trinitarian sources say about Philippians 2:6,7.

Here is what The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology has to say concerning this passage of scripture in Philippians chapter 2, verses 5 through 11. Now please keep in mind that these are highly educated BIBLICAL and trintarian BIAS sources that I am giving you.



Although Jesus, the Son of God, in his preexisting being AS the Word was in the form or IMAGE of God, he (the Word, both now and before the Word was made flesh) and the Son of MAN resisted the temptation to be EQUAL with God (Phil. 2:6). That is to say that in the days of his flesh in his earthly existence Jesus was obedient to God, even unto death on the cross (Phil. 2:8) .... Then ONLY AFTER the completion of his work on earth Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED and has indeed been raised to the right hand of God (Eph. 1:20; 1 Pet. 3:22) .... But he is STILL NOT made EQUAL to God. Although completely co-ordinate with God, he remains SUBORDINATE to him (cf. 1 Cor. 15:28).” 1968 Zondervan- p. 80, vol. 2.



The emphasis found in quotations throughout the studies that I write are nearly always added by me, as is this case here as well. The underlining, the bold words, and the highlighting are mine to emphasize certain points that are indeed sound Biblical points being made by a trinitarian bias source.

Now that we know that Jesus was NOT fully the Almighty God himself and a man at the SAME time having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one HUMAN as the doctrine of the deity dogmatically demands, because Philippians 2:6-11 clearly teaches us that the FROM Jesus preexisted as stripped himself of all his divinity to become HUMAN, let us now go back and look at the last half of verse 6.

I will only quote the Living Bible, because I believe that it is the closest translation of this passage of scripture to be Biblical agreeing with the rest of God's word, but it still has some trinitarian bias in it's translation as well. I will explain why I say this further on in this study.

Here is Philippians 2:6,7.


who though he was Goddid not demand toCLING to his RIGHTS AS God,

7. But LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory taking  the disguise as a slave and becoming like men.”





You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, Jesus was the FORM OF God, in that, Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE of his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, being WITHIN the God. 

We know that God was ALONE when he created all things by Isaiah 44:24 and many others verses. And we know that God SPEAKS his creation into existence from Genesis 1:3. So even without Philippians 2:6-8 mere common sense should teach us that when God created the TREES by speaking them forth into existence that the trees do not REMAIN fully the Almighty God having TWO forms or two natures at the same time.

The FORM of God CHANGED to become a tree. The FORM stripped himself of all his DIVINE NATURE and took on another FORM. A tree is not Spirit, a tree is not God, a tree is not divine, a tree is not immortal. But a tree is a CREATION OF God and God alone gave that tree LIFE.

The English word “FORM” is translated from the Greek word “MORPHE” Strong's # 3444 from which we get the English word morphosis, which means to CHANGE form. More commonly used as metamorphosis.

Some Greek scholars have HONESTLY translated the Greek word “MORPHE” as IMAGE in Philippians 2:6, which to me makes quite a lot of sense when you view the Word of God as the SPOKEN WORD of God as opposed to the Word being ANOTHER separate divine eternal spirit being that was with God at his side in a beginning.

In others words, Almighty God spoke forth the IMAGE that was WITHIN himself having the DNA code of that IMAGE imprinted in his Word, his SAYING, that he sent down from heaven by his angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary and the Word CHANGED from the DIVINE FORM that is WAS and BECAME HUMAN in form.

Jesus said in John 6:63 that it is the SPIRIT that quickens or makes ALIVE and then went on to says that the WORDS he SPOKE that he received FROM God were SPIRIT. In other words, the SPOKEN WORDS of Almighty God make ALIVE, they produce LIFE. God's WORDS are SPIRIT. So in the light of this scripture it is very easy to see how Almighty God SENT his WORD, which was his PLAN to bring forth a SON into existence, down from heaven with his angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE God's WORD to the virgin Mary, and then when Mary AGREED to the SPOKEN WORD of God the WORD, being SPIRIT, then that living word was MADE to become ALIVE in the womb of Mary to be BORN a HUMAN BEING.

Truly it was a DIVINE ORIGIN of our Lord and savior Jesus the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God the Father, who became the IMAGE, the EXPRESSED IMAGE of his God and Father.

So another way to translate Philippians 2:6 is ...who was in the IMAGE of God did NOT even think to RETAIN any of the divinity or glory, but rather took on the form of a SERVANT being found as a human being. The IMAGE that was WITHIN the God was divine Spirit by nature being a part of God, a component of God, his thoughts, his plans, his dreams within himself. And that THOUGHT of God being God's THOUGHT did not even think to retain his divinity. And thus Yahweh himself stripped himself of all his DIVINE NATURE to take on HUMAN nature. Simply put God BECAME the Son of MAN, but the Son of MAN was NOT God. The word, the SAYING of God became FLESH, and NOT a God/man having TWO natures one divine and one human. Divinity STRIPPED HIMSELF, EMPTIED himself. LAID ASIDE, GAVE UP of HIS divinity.


When God spoke forth that image within himself out of himself SOUND was made, sound waves were made, the Spirit morphed from THOUGHT to sound or vibration. In Genesis 1:2 the Spirit MOVED upon the waters. The LITERAL translation says that the Spirit of God VIBRATED over the waters. In other words, that SPIRIT coming out of God's mouth FORMS the shape, design, the blueprint, the DNA code of what is imprinted in the SPOKEN word of God.

In truth before any of God's creation God was ALONE with no one with God. God first acquired REASON, thought, intelligence. And once God DESIGNED what he wanted to BE WITHING HIMSELF, then God acquired SPEECH on sound at a time. So in truth God's ALPHABET was his first creation if you want to called his speech a creation. It is God's SPEECH that causes his Spirit to VIBRATED and create FORMS with his Spirit. Much like sand on a sound table. Different frequencies create different patterns. Please see the video at this link.

So then, God himself alone and by himself created all things by his SPEECH, his SAYING, his word. God also PROPHESIES and his spoken word comes to pass over time. So the first thing God acquired after he acquired reason and thought is his word one letter at a time. More on the Hebrew letters in another study.

Even the early church writer Tertullian, who was first Christians coined the Latin word “TRINITAS” in referring to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit wrote the following:



"... who being in the IMAGE of God, `thought it not ...'" - Tertullian, about 200 A.D. ANF, p. 549,vol.3.



By the way Tertullian is often quoted by those, who teach the doctrine of the trinity to TRY and prove that this doctrine of the trinity was taught by the early Christians before the fourth and fifth centuries, but the TRUTH of the matter is that Tertullian did NOT teach the trinity in the way that this doctrine of the trinity it is taught today. Let me show you what I mean by taking a look at what Tertullian himself wrote. Below is a link to the writings of Tertullian, who supposedly, according to the Roman Catholic church, was the author of the doctrine of the trinity. But again Tertullian did NOT teach that Jesus was CO EQUAL nor CO ETERNAL with the Father.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tertullian.html



Tertullian wrote in is argument against Praxeas that God was ALONE in the beginning yet not totally alone, because he had his THOUGHTS or his reason within himself much like we as human beings who are made in the image of God carry on a conversation WITHIN ourselves. Tertullian said that in this way the Word COULD be viewed as a second person in a SENSE. But really do WE say that OUR inner thoughts talking to ourselves is a SEPARATE person? No we do not.

Here is a direct quote from this early Christian writer Tertullian that some Christians refer to in order to try and support the doctrine of the trinity has always existed as a teaching of the church.

But again Tertullian did NOT teach the DOCTRINE of the trinity, but merely was perceiving that there SEEMED to be THREE, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. He did NOT teach that Jesus was CO ETERNAL with the Father and therefore Jesus had NO BEGINNING. Nor did he teach that Jesus was CO EQUAL with the Father.

But rather Tertullian taught that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING and that there was only ONE, who was NOT BEGOTTEN, who was the Father. Read for yourself what he wrote.



But since they (referring to Praxeas and his group of believers who taught that the Father and the Son were ONE and the SAME being, rather than two separate beings) will have the Two to be but One, so that the Father shall be deemed to be the same as the Son, it is only right that the whole question respecting the Son should be examined, as to whether He exists, and who He is and the mode of His existence. Thus shall the truth itself secure its own sanction from the Scriptures, and the interpretations which guard them. There are some who allege that even Genesis opens thus in Hebrew: "In the beginning God made for Himself a Son." (again referring to those who error in interpreting the scriptures. Tertullian goes on to say the following as what he himself believes)

As there is NO ground for this, I am led to OTHER arguments derived from God's own dispensation, in which He existed before the creation of the world, up to the generation of the Son. For before all things God was alone -- being IN Himself and for Himself universe, and space, and all things. Moreover, He was alone, because there was NOTHING EXTERNAL to Him but Himself. Yet even not then was He alone; for He had with Him that which He possessed IN Himself, that is to say, His OWN REASON. For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him; and so all things were from Himself. This Reason is His own Yought (or Consciousness) which the Greeks call logos, by which term we also designate Word or Discourse and therefore it is now usual with our people, owing to the mere simple interpretation of the term, to say that the Wordwas in the beginning with God; although it would be more suitable to regard REASON as the more ancient; because God had NOT Word from the beginning, but He had REASON even before the beginning; because also Word itself consists of Reason, which it thus proves to have been the prior existence as being its own substance. Not that this distinction is of any practical moment. For although God had NOT YET sent out His Word, He still had Him WITHIN Himself, both in company with and included within His very Reason, as He silently planned and arranged within Himself everything which He was after wards ABOUT to utter THROUGH His Word. Now, whilst He was thus PLANNING and arranging with His own Reason, He was actually causing that TO BECOME Word which He was dealing with in the way of Word or Discourse.

And that you may the more readily understand this, consider first of all, from your own self, who are made "in the image and likeness of God," for what purpose it is that you also possess reason in yourself, who are a rational creature, as being not only made by a rational Artificer, but actually animated out of His substance. Observe, then, that when you are silently conversing with yourself, this very process is carried on within you by your reason, which meets you with a word at every movement of your thought, at every impulse of your conception.

Whatever you think, there is a word; whatever you conceive, there is reason. You must needs speak it in your mind; and while you are speaking, you admit speech as an interlocutor WITH you, involved in which there is this very reason, whereby, while in thought you are holding converse with your word, you are (by reciprocal action) producing thought by means of that converse with your word. Thus, in A CERTAIN SENSE, the word is a second person WITHIN you, through which in thinking you utter speech, and through which also, (by reciprocity of process,) in uttering speech you generate thought. The word is itself a different thing from yourself. Now how much more fully is all this transacted in God, whose image and likeness even you are regarded as being, inasmuch as He has reason within Himself even while He is silent, and involved in that Reason His Word! I may therefore without rashness first lay this down (as a fixed principle) that even then before the creation of the universe God was not alone, since He had WITHIN Himself both Reason, and, inherent in Reason, His Word, which He made SECOND TO Himself by agitating it WITHINHimself.





In other words, some early Christians believed that Jesus always existed as the SON of God in the beginning, but they also believed the the Father and the SON were ONE and the SAME being, as in, Jesus IS the FATHER.

But yet other Christians, like Tertullian, believed throughout all of the history of the church that the WORD OF God existed WITHIN God in the very beginning and when God brought forth or spoke his THOUGHTS in the FORM or "MORPHE" of his WORD, then THROUGH God's WORD, the very EXPRESSED or SPOKEN IMAGE of God's thoughts were CREATED to BECOME God's EXPRESS IMAGE.

That is to say, the Word in the beginning was with God and the Word was the spoken IMAGE of the THOUGHTS of God. In other words, what God was in his THOUGHTS the Word was or what God was THINKING the Word became the IMAGE of what God THOUGHT to BE. This would be like us painting or building a PICTURE in our mind first of what we desire to be, and then we IMPRINT the IMAGE in our mind on paper as a BLUEPRINT of what we desire to be MADE. And then we follow that blueprint to MAKE what was once the IMAGE that was within us.

So then, God first THOUGHT to create light before God SAID or spoke forth his WORD to say “Light BE” or “Let there BE light” and light WAS or light came into being where light had never existed before. The Bible teaches us that all things are upheld by the WORD of his power and not by the POWER of his Word. Almighty God and his SPOKEN Word are ONE in that they AGREE as ONE. What ever God THINKS and then follows up his THOUGHTS with his SPOKEN Word comes to BE the IMAGE of what God first thought within himself to be.

But what God THINKS does NOT come into being UNTIL God SPEAKS FORTH his thought in the FORM of his WORD. But at the same time the WORD could NOT EXISTS and did NOT EXIST UNTIL God BROUGHT FORTH his WORD INTO EXISTENCE by SPEAKING forth his THOUGHTS and PLANS that God was THINKING to BE.

You see, before the Word was brought forth into existence there was only God, who was alone before any thing was created. That is to says there was God and his THOUGHTS and nothing else existed. In other words, once the Word of God was brought forth into existence, then the Word word became the IMAGE of what God was thinking to bring forth. In this way God's WORDS are SPIRIT that make ALIVE or create what God desires to BE. But this should not be INTERPRETED that the WORD is a SEPARATE person from Almighty God, because the WORD comes forth OUT FROM God to BECOME what God himself desires to be.

The Word itself has no mind or will of it's own, but rather what God is, the word is, and then that SAYING of God becomes what God is in his THOUGHTS and PLANS to become.

Now some trinitarians try to argue that the Greek word “MORPHE” also means a disguise or that it means an appearance OF the real, but yet NOT the real. Thus the trinitarian bis translations say that when the Word that was in the FORM of God that that form took on the APPEARANCE of man, but remained the form of God. Most trinitarian bias translations use words like, he was found in the FIGURE of a man, the FORM of a servant or the LIKENESS of men.

Again those trinitarians that try and argue along this line of reasoning just create another dilemma for themselves.

For you see dear child of God, the SAME exact Greek word that they translate for Jesus or the Word being in the APPEARANCE of a MAN is the SAME exact Greek word “MORPHE” used saying the FORM of God. Now if they were CONSISTENT in their translating, then this would mean according to THEIR own interpretation of the word "MORPE" as being only the APPEARANCE of a man, that the Word was JUST in the APPEARANCE of God, but yet the word was NOT the REAL divine being of God. I mean you cannot have it BOTH ways. If you say the SAME Greek word means only the APPEARANCE of MAN, then you must also say that this SAME Greek word means as well that the Word was ONLY the APPEARANCE of God, but not the real God.

But worse than this these trinitarians are unknowingly becoming antiChrists when they dogmatically demand such an INTERPRETATION saying that Jesus ONLY APPEARED to be HUMAN FLESH, or God the SON was only CLOTHED with a human body, because the apostle John clearly teaches us that those who say that Jesus Christ did NOT come in the FLESH is an antiChrist.

Now the reason that some trinitarians use this argument is in order that they can maintain that Jesus is FULLY Almighty God and FULLY man at the SAME time having two natures, because they know that the scripture also say that God is NOT a MAN nor is he the SON of MAN. Therefore they have to TWIST God's word to say that Jesus was in the LIKENESS or the FIGURE or the APPEARANCE of a MAN.

But the TRUTH of the matter is that whatever FORM the Word was in the beginning that FORM stripped himself of all his divine nature to take on human nature. This is what Philippians 2:6-8 clearly teaches us. The Word CHANGED into ANOTHER FROM when the divine living Word was MADE FLESH.


Now if the Greek word "LOGOS" translated a Word with a capital "W" would be translated and word and interpreted as the SPOKEN word of God, as it is in all 200 other times, then the spoken word of God CHANGED from just being the SPOKEN word of God INTO what God THOUGHT or PLANNED in his mind and God's written word of prophesy to become. 

That is to say God's spoken WORD, even though it be SPIRIT and in essence God HIMSELF, the word or SAYING of God, being Spirit, does NOT REMAIN God, but rather the word is MADE to BECOME the EXPRESS IMAGE of God's THOUGHTS and PLAN that was within himself. You see, when God THOUGHT to create a TREE and then SPOKE his thoughts in the IMAGE of his word, then the word was MADE to be a TREE and did NOT REMAIN to be fully God and fully a TREE at the SAME time.



We know this to be true of Jesus as well because every single translation of Philippians 2:6-8 says that the FROM stripped himself of the FORM it was to take on HUMAN FORM.

But it still sounds like or SEEMS to be saying that the FORM did not seek to CLING to the EQUALITY he had WITH God. So it SEEMS that Philippians 2:6-8 is saying that Jesus MUST have preexisted WITH God as a SECOND separate person, because it takes TWO to use the word EQUAL. You cannot be EQUAL with yourself.

The other night I asked God about this and he said look it up. I first thought to myself that equal means equal so how can it mean any other thing than equal?

I was wrong. Here is what I found. The Greek word translated as “EQUAL” is Strong's #2470 meaning seeming, similar in amount or kind, equal, SAME, as much, LIKE and AGREE.

This Greek word comes from the Greek word “EIDO” Strong's #1492, which means KNOWLEDGE of God, as in DIVINE knowledge or fullness of knowledge. So here are some possible translations of the last part of verse 6.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the KNOWLEDGE of God, as in, the DIVINE KNOWLEDGE or fullness of knowledge that God possesses being God.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the equality to remain to be God.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be LIKE God, as in having the divine nature of IMMORTALITY.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be the SAME as God, as in, having all power and authority. Jesus was GIVEN all power and authority AFTER God ANOINTED him.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to be the SAME God of ONE opinion. God wanted a MEDIATOR between him and mankind. God needed another OPINION of a RIGHTEOUS MAN to be that mediator.

The FORM of God did NOT CLING to the PRIVILEGES of the RIGHTS as BEING God.

Basically God did NOT CLING to BEING God.



Another interpretation is that Jesus knew that scriptures spoke of HIM. So Jesus knew that his ORIGIN was of God. Jesus knew that God had him in mind before God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus knew that God loved him BEFORE the foundation of the world and created the worlds FOR him. Jesus knew and understood the power and the authority that God gave to him, but yet he did not become puffed up with pride. Jesus remained humble. Jesus did not abuse his power and authority. He could have called down a legion of angels any time he so please, but he did not use this power and authority God gave to him even though he had the RIGHT to do so. Jesus did not ABUSE his power.

One day the disciples of Jesus said to Jesus in the form of a question saying, Shall WE call fire down from heaven and devour them? Jesus understood that they had the authority to call down fire from heaven so he did not laugh at them, but rather rebuked them saying that they did not know by what spirit they were listening to say such a thing.

Please read Luke 9:54-66.

"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, will you that WE command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 

        55.  But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, You know not what manner of spirit you are of
        56.  For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."


So another meaning of the last part of verse 6 could be speaking of Jesus AFTER the word or SAYING of God became flesh and AFTER God ANOINTED the Son of MAN with power and authority as to WHEN Jesus did not strive to be EQUAL with his God and Father.

Or yet another interpretation my be that it was even AFTER the cross when Jesus was GIVEN the very DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY and ALL POWER and authority to JUDGE the angels and the wicked of mankind as to WHEN Jesus did not seek EQUALITY with his God and Father. 

I mean to ME it does not make any sense to interpret the last half of verse 6 to speak of a preexisting Son up in heaven who was WITH the God AT his SIDE as the WHEN that Jesus did not think to take by FORCE equality with God.

So here is what I myself have concluded.

Jesus was in the form of God BEFORE he became Jesus. And that form was Almighty God himself, as in, that part of God that was within the God being the IMAGE of God within the inner being of the God. Then the God himself stripped away all his divine nature, his divine knowledge and everything that is God to take on HUMAN nature. And then as the Son of MAN grew and learned that the Scriptures spoke of him, then the Son of MAN did not even thing to be equal with God was something to be grasped or sought after.

Being the Son of MAN, Jesus humbled himself in this way, KNOWING that he was no ordinary MAN. And also knowing the GLORY that God would bestow upon him for his obedience Jesus even further humbled himself to die on the cross. Jesus, as the Son of MAN, the SAYING of God made to become a HUMAN being, who knowing that he was God's CHOSEN ONE took on a servant's heart and did not even think to EXALT HIMSELF to be equal with his God and Father.

All of this is taught in the scriptures and does not contradict any other part of God's word. Please read the study HOW DID JESUS PREEXIST? and WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE MEAN?.


Now you may have noticed as you read the many different translations of Philippians 2:4-6 how much they differed. I mean one would translate the Greek pretty accurately in ONE part, but not all the way through. Another translation would translate a different part pretty accurately, but again not all the way through. So below I have taken what has ALREADY been translated by Bible scholars and have put them all together in my own paraphrase thought for thought translations. Keep in mind that I am using what others have already translated in their Bible Version.

Here is my translation using all the translations of others.

Philippians 2:6-11.

“Who though he was God, did not demand to CLING to his rights AS God,

7. But LAID ASIDEEMPTIED himself, GAVE UP, and STRIPPED himself of every advantage of his mighty power and gloryand took on Him the nature of a bond servant BY BECOMING a MAN like other men.

8. And being recognized as TRULY HUMAN, He was humble and walked the path of OBEDIENCE to death, even his death on the cross.

9. THEREFORE God also HIGHLY EXALTED him and gave him the NAME that is above every NAME,

10. So that at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11. And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory OF God the Father.”


Again all I have done is to take the words that have been already translated by the many different translations by taking the best prats from the different translations and put them all together to make a NON trinitarian BIAS translation.

Now I may be accused of making a BIAS NON trinitarian translation out of their bias translations and you would be correct, because I personally believe that those, who formed the doctrine of the trinity are in ERROR in that way that they have INTERPRETED the scriptures.

Not you may not agree with my conclusion that Jesus did NOT become Jesus already being a preexisting eternal Son of God, who was with God at his side in eternity past, and it was the eternal divine Son, who became flesh, but yet remained fully the divine Son of God and thus had two natures at the same time, one divine and one human.

But surely you must agree that whatever form Jesus was in BEFORE the word became flesh STRIPPED HIMSELF!

I mean surely you agree that all of these translations of Philippians 2:6-11 clearly teach us that BEFORE Jesus became Jesus.

His STATE was DIVINE, BUT he EMPTIED HIMSELF.

His FORM was God,  BUT EMPTIED himself, taking the form of a slave, being BORN in human likeness. And BEING found in HUMAN FORM.

He was God by NATURE, BUT he STRIPPED HIMSELF of every advantage.

He was God, BUT he LAID ASIDE his mighty power and glory.

He had the very NATURE of God, but he GAVE IT ALL UP.

He had the NATURE of God, but he STRIPPED himself of his glory.

He had equal status with God, but he SET ASIDE the privileges of DEITY and took on the status of a slave, BECAME HUMAN!


Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the truth of the whole word of God. Below is a list of Bible studies related to this subject of Jesus preexisting, the deity of Jesus, Jesus being God and the doctrine of the trinity.

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PHILIPPIANS 2:6

A TRINITARIAN DILEMMA!



PHILIPPIANS 2:6 creates a DILEMMA for the doctrine of the trinity!”

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Philippians 2:6 creates a DILEMMA for the ONENESS doctrine as well.


         A DILEMMA is a problem that does not seem to have a solution. You see, the doctrine of the trinity states that there are three persons or three separate beings in one God. And these three separate beings are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit where all three persons or all three Spirit beings are CO EQUAL with each other where none is greater than nor less than the other. 

          The doctrine of the trinity also states that all three are CO ETERNAL with each other as well, which means each divine being has always existed from all eternity. That is to say God the Father has always possessed IMMORTALITY, God the SON has ALWAYS possesses IMMORTALITY, and God the Holy Spirit has always possessed IMMORTALITY. 

          The doctrine of the trinity states that there there are not three Gods, but rather there are three different and separate persons or three separate beings in one God. And again the doctrine of the trinity also states that these three persons of the trinity are EQUAL in every way to each other, where none is less than nor greater than the other. EQUAL means EQUAL. In other words, the doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus is NOT the Father, but Jesus is EQUAL to the Father in every way.

         Again the doctrine of the trinity states that these three persons or beings in one God are all co ETERNAL, which means that they have always existed and they always will exist. In other words, all THREE have always been and ever shall be IMMORTAL where NONE of these three separate beings in the one God have a beginning nor an ending. 

          To say this another way, the doctrine of the trinity states that Almighty God the Father is IMMORTAL, as in, Almighty God has always been ETERNAL without beginning and without end, and that Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God, is IMMORTAL, as in, Jesus has always been ETERNAL without beginning and without end, and the Holy Spirit of Almighty God the Father is IMMORTAL, as in, the Holy Spirit has always been ETERNAL without beginning and without end according to the doctrine of the trinity. 


       But what does the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible itself teach us?


          Before for we get into the word of God there is another doctrine taught by other Christians called Modalism or the ONENESS Doctrine, which basically teaches that there is just ONE God and THREE MANIFESTATIONS or three MODES of this ONE God. So basically, Christians, who believe the Oneness teaching, do NOT believe that Jesus is a SEPARATE being or person from Almighty God, but rather they believe that the SON is ONE and the SELF SAME BEING as Almighty God the Father, who MANIFESTED himself as the SON, but yet remained to be fully ALMIGHTY God in the flesh. 

          We will talk about this teaching here and there throughout this study as well, but the focus of this study will be to see what God's word says concerning who Jesus was BEFORE the WORD became a human being to dwell among mankind and die for the sins of the whole world. And also to see who Jesus is AFTER the WORD became a human being to dwell among mankind and die for the sins of the whole world. And also to see who Jesus has BECOME by AFTER becoming being obedient to do all the will of the Father even to suffer and die on the cross for the sins of the world. In others words, WHO is Jesus NOW and in the world to COME.

         Both Trinitarians and Unitarians teach the doctrine of the deity of Jesus. The doctrine of the deity of Jesus teaches that Almighty God became a man, BUT remained FULLY God. In other words, the doctrine of the deity of Jesus teaches that the Son of God is is FULLY Almighty God and fully a man at the same time having TWO natures, a divine nature and a human nature. Thus Jesus also had TWO wills, the divine will of Almighty God and a human will.

BUT what does the Bible itself teach us? 


          So then, what does the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, teach us? Does God's word clearly and plainly teach us that Jesus has ALWAYS existed for all eternity and therefore is without beginning and without end? I want you to THINK this through for yourself

          Now IF SO BE that the child, who was BORN to the virgin Mary who was GIVEN the NAME Jesus did preexist without beginning being CO ETERNAL with Almighty God, then does this mean that this Son of MAN, who was given the name Jesus preexisted for all eternity as the SON OF God.

          The point that I want you to see is that, IF SO BE, that Jesus did preexist for all eternity without beginning as all three of the above stated doctrines dogmatically demand, then HOW did Jesus preexist? 

          Did Jesus preexist as the HUMAN Jesus the Son of MAN? Obviously NOT since Almighty God is NOT a MAN nor the Son of MAN. And simple logic would conclude it to be impossible since man was not yet created nor is man an immortal being or have an immortal soul.

          Did Jesus preexist as the SON OF Almighty God? If so, then what verse in God's word supports this teaching that Jesus preexisted as God's SON? 

          Keep in mind that the doctrine of the trinity teaches that the Jesus is God the Son, the second person of the Godhead. And that God the Son is CO ETERNAL with Almighty God the Father. 

          But what does the Bible itself teach us?

          John 1:1 teaches us that in the beginning was the WORD and that the WORD was with the God and that the WORD was God.

          So then, the BIBLICAL evidence from John 1:1, 14 points to Jesus preexisting as the WORD. 

          If Jesus did preexist as the Word, then was the Word a SEPARATE divine eternal being or PERSON as the doctrine of the trinity states saying that Jesus is the second person of the triune God? 

          If so, then what verse or verse in the Bible specifically supports this teaching that Jesus preexisted as a SEPARATE divine eternal person of the Godhead?

          Obviously Jesus never existed before AS the Son of MAN, who was named Jesus, BEFORE that time in history that the Word was conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary to be BORN a HUMAN BEING. 

          The doctrine of the trinity teaches that Jesus preexisted as God the Son the second person of the Godhead. And Trinitarians teach that God the Son became flesh and dwelt among us to suffer and die for our sins.

           The Oneness believers teach that only Almighty God has always existed and that Almighty God himself manifested himself as his Son. So in this since the SON had a beginning, but the Son of God is NOT a SEPARATE person from Almighty God the Father, but rather the father IS his Son and the Son IS his Father in that they are ONE and the SELF SAME DIVINE ETERNAL being the ONE God.

          The Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers and that we all preexisted as spirit children or celestial parents. They get their teaching about the preexistence of Jesus from their book of Mormon, which is a teaching from an ANGEL. The Bible WARNS us NOT to believe teachings of angels so I will not deal with this false teaching of the Mormons in this particular study in God's word.

          The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus God's FIRST creation and that God created all other things through or by his Son called the Word.


But what does the Bible itself teach us?


          The Bible itself clearly teaches us that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of Almighty God the Father. Please read all or any one of the following verses in the Bible that clearly teaches us that Jesus was BEGOTTEN of Almighty God the Father.

       John 1:14  

       "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." 

          John 1:18  

       "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him." 

          John 3:16  

       "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." 

          John 3:18  

       "He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." 

          Acts 13:33  

       "God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you." 

           Hebrews 1:5  

       "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" 

          Hebrew 5:5  

       "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, You are my Son, to day have I begotten you."  

          1 John 4:9  

       "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."   


         In order for Almighty God to have a SON, who the word of God clearly teaches us was BEGOTTEN of God, then this means that the SON had to have a BEGINNING. You see dear child of God to dogmatically demand that God the SON has always preexisted for all eternity WITHOUT beginning is to dogmatically demand as well the SON OF Almighty God the Father was BEGOTTEN WITHOUT being BEGOTTEN.

         Now to ME this makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever to me to say that Jesus has always preexisted for all eternity WITHOUT beginning as a LITERAL separate person of the Godhead called God the SON. Nor does it make any sense that Jesus preexisted for all eternity as a LITERAL divine eternal Spirit being WITH Almighty God the Father where this Spirit being was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF Almighty God the Father.

         WHY? Why do I say that it makes NO sense whatsoever to say that Jesus preexisted as the SON OF Almighty God being and ETERNAL person of the Godhead or a separate ETERNAL Spirit being WITH Almighty God? Because in order to be God's SON would mean that the SON had a BEGINNING and therefore could in no way has ETERNALLY preexisted with Almighty God.

          Now some Christians have come to see this as well so they changed what they teach to say that Jesus was BEGOTTEN, but Jesus was NOT CREATED. So they agree that Jesus did indeed have a BEGINNING.

          But WHEN was Jesus BEGOTTEN of Almighty God? Was it in eternity past as teh Jehovah's Witnesses teach, OR was Jesus BEGOTTEN of Almighty God when the WORD became the Son of MAN?

          The Bible itself makes it quite clear that on a CERTAIN DAY Jesus was BEGOTTEN or brought into existence. Please read the following verses:


          Acts 13:33  

       "God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you." 

          Hebrews 1:5  

       "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" 

          Hebrew 5:5  

       "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, You are my Son, TO DAY have I begotten you."  


          But yet some Trinitarian Christians CLAIM that the Father IS THE ALMIGHTY God, AND that Jesus, the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF Almighty God the Father, IS ALSO THE ALMIGHTY God as well WITHOUT being the FATHER, and WITHOUT being BEGOTTEN, because they dogmatically demand that Jesus did NOT have a BEGINNING.

          In other words, to dogmatically demand that the SON OF God has NO BEGINNING by saying that Jesus is CO ETERNAL is also to DENY the word of God, which clearly teaches us that Jesus was BEGOTTEN on a certain DAY in time

          Also to say that the SON OF God always preexisted for all eternity is to say that the SON OF God has always been IMMORTAL without beginning nor ending. To say this another way Trintarian Christians claim that the SON OF Almighty God has ALWAYS been an IMMORTAL divine Spirit being SEPARATE FROM Almighty God the Father, who fellow shipped WITH the Father for all eternity past being CO ETERNAL and CO EQUAL with Almighty God the FATHER in every way where neither is greater than nor less than the other. 

       So again I ask you, what does the Bible teaches us? What does the word of TRUTH teach us? 

         Does the word of Almighty God clearly and plainly teach us that Jesus is CO ETERNAL where the only BEGOTTEN SON has ALWAYS existed WITHOUT ever being BEGOTTEN , as in, the SON OF God NEVER ever had a BEGINNING? And does the word of TRUTH clearly and plainly teach us that Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God the Father is CO EQUAL to Almighty God the Father in every way where neither is greater than nor less than the other?


          Let us begin this study in God's word to see if the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible itself teaches us.

          #1. Does the Bible teaches us that the WORD was the SON OF God, who then became flesh?

          OR 

          #2. Does the Bible it self teach us the WORD was a divine Spirit being preexisting with Almighty God, and then this separate divine Spirit being called the WORD became flesh?

          OR 

          #3. Does the word of TRUTH, teach us that ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF became flesh through of by his SPOKEN WORD?


          Let us begin by read Exodus 3:13,14 from the King James Version or translation of the Bible says,


       “And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers has sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, WHAT is his NAMEWhat shall I say unto them?

       14.  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.



         All the above mentioned doctrine teach that Jesus IS ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF, and they use John 8:58 where Jesus says "Before Abraham I AM." to dogmatically demand that Jesus is PROCLAIMING to be the great I AM THAT I AM in the Old Testament.

          Now reading this King James TRANSLATION of this passage of scripture it is certainly understandable how the words of Jesus have been MISINTERPRETED that Jesus is declaring HIMSELF to be the great I AM THAT I AM.

         However, when we STUDY God's word to show ourselves approved a workman that will NOT be confounded or confused, then it becomes blatantly clear that Jesus is NOT declaring himself to be the great I am that I am. Let me explain what I mean by this.

         First of all you must understand that the ENGLISH words in the Bible that we read are just TRANSLATIONS of the original text. This is WHY not all translations of the Bible agree with each other. I have heard Christians say, “That is NOT what it says in MY Bible!” not realizing that all Bibles in English are TRANSLATIONS and it is up to the translator to decide which meaning of the Hebrew or Greek words that THEY feel will give the best meaning of the CONTEXT. The reason that all TRANSLATIONS of the Bible do NOT AGREE is because they are INTERPRETATIONS and NOT the original text and therefore they are subject to BIAS in their translating.

         Now let us read a “LITERAL” translation, which is a word for word translation of the closest meaning of each Hebrew or Greek word written in the manner in which the Hebrew or Greek language is written. So when we read an English LITERAL translation it sounds backwards to the way we speak in English.


         Here is the LITERAL translation of Exodus 3:13-15:


       And he is saying Moses to the Elohim, I coming to the son of Israel and I say to them Elohim of the father of you he sends me to you and they say to me what ? name of him what ? I shall say to them

       14. And he is saying Elohim to Moses I SHALL BECOME WHO (or what) I AM BECOMING and he is saying thus you shall say to the sons of Israel I SHALL BECOME he sent me to you.

       15. And he is saying further Elohim to Moses thus you shall say to the sons of Israel YEHWEH Elohim of father of you Elohim of Abraham Elohim of Isaac Elohim of Jacob he sent me to you THIS NAME of me for eon and this remembrance of me for generation generation.”



         Also keep in mind that there is no punctuation, no verse numbers, no chapter numbers, and no paragraphs in the original text so often times it is hard to connect pronoun use.

         So then, the NAME of the one true and only ALMIGHTY God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is YEHWEH, who said I SHALL BECOME WHO (or WHAT) I AM BECOMING.              And Hebrew words that are TRANSLATED as “I AM” in some Bibles LITERAL mean “I SHALL BECOME”.

         This is HOW Almighty God has CREATED all things. When Almighty God SAYS light BE, then Almighty God HIMSELF BECOMES what he has SPOKEN into being. Let us go the the creation account in Genesis 1:3 and read the LITERAL translation so that you can clearly see that Almighty God HIMSELF becomes what he desires to BE by speaking forth his desires in the form of his word or  his saying.


         The LITERAL translation of Genesis 1:3


       And he is SAYING Elohim he shall BECOME light and HE is becoming light.”


         Genesis 1:3 is written as a narrative where a person is telling us what Almighty God has said and not in the first where Almighty God is presently speaking using the pronoun “I” shall become light and I am becoming light.


         Here is Genesis 1:3 from the King James Version:


       “And God said (past tense. God has already created light), Let there be light: and there was light.”


         So then, what ever Almighty God desires to BE he HIMSELF then BECOMES his very own DESIRES by SPEAKING FORTH the IMAGE of what he DESIRES or imagines to BE. 

         And this EXPRESSED IMAGE is called his WORD or his SAYING.

         And once God's spoken word or saying has gone forth out of his MOUTH his spoken word will NOT come back void, but rather Almighty God's spoken word will accomplish and come to BE what Almighty God has SPOKEN into existence where it never existed before except in the mind and PLAN of Almighty God as his desire to BE from WITHIN himself in his THOUGHTS.

         Please read Isaiah 55:11 where again you can clearly see this truth of Almighty God speaking forth his word to accomplish that which pleases God, when you read the LITERAL translation of this text, but first we will read Isaiah 55:11 from the King James version, which says,


       So shall my WORD be that goes FORTH out of my MOUTH(teaching us that the word of God is his SPOKEN word): it shall not return unto me void, but IT (God's SPOKEN word) shall accomplish that which I please, and IT shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent IT.”


         In other words, Almighty God himself will PERFORM his spoken word to accomplish what he said he would do.

         Now let us read the LITERAL translation of Isaiah 55:11, which says,


       So he is BECOMING word of me which he is going FORTHfrom MOUTH of me NOT he is returning to me empty, but rather he does which I DESIRE and he prospers which I sent him.”


         Now the pronoun use is up to the translator. So in Philippians 2:6-11 the translator could have just as easily used and IT stripped ITSELF of IT"S divine nature to take on HUMAN nature. In the King James Version that translator chose to use the pronoun “IT” and the literal translation chose the more personal pronoun “he”. The choices of the pronoun use are “I”, “he”, “she”, “it” or “they”. When we ourselves speak forth “words” out of our MOUTH we do not normally use the pronoun “HE”, but rather we use the pronoun “IT”.

         However, Almighty God's SPOKEN WORD is what God himself DESIRES to BE and his SPOKEN word will BECOME what God himself has SPOKEN to BE. So LITERALLY Almighty God HIMSELF becomes what he desires to BE whenever HE speaks forth his desired THOUGHTS or PLANS.

         I can see both sides. I can see where SPEECH is referred to as IT to show that our speech is NOT a separate BEING from our self, but rather IT is what comes OUT of us to EXPRESS our thoughts or the IMAGE we have in our mind. 

         But then, when it comes to HOW Almighty God who himself alone creates all things I can see where the pronoun use should be the personal pronouns “I” or “HE”. Now I myself personally believe that the best translation of Isaiah 55:11 should read,

       So shall my WORD be that goes FORTH out of my MOUTH(teaching us that the word of God is his SPOKEN word): IT shall not return unto me void, but I (God's SPOKEN word) shall accomplish that which I please, and I shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent IT.” 


          And the LITERAL translation should read,

                So I  am BECOMING by word of me which is going FORTH from MOUTH of me NOT he (being a PROPHECY of Jesus the word made flesh) is returning to me empty, but rather I do which I DESIRE and he (my word made FLESH) prospers which I sent him.”


         In the New Testament we read that GOD confirms his WORD with signs following. And in the Old testament we read that HOD hastens to PERFORM his WORD. So it is always Almighty God HIMSELF as the one who ACCOMPLISHES what he has SPOKEN to BE.

         So then, when we interpret this verse in the LIGHT of the rest of God's word we come to know that God's SPOKEN word is LIVING or it QUICKENS or it makes ALIVE. The spoken “WORD” of Almighty God is the BREATH of LIFE coming forth from the MOUTH of God giving LIFE to his creation.


         Please read Hebrews 4:12, which says,


       For the WORD OF God is QUICK, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discern-er of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”


         The LITERAL meaning is "The SAYING of God is LIVING and is active or operative", which means that Almighty God himself, being LIFE himself, shall be becoming what or who he shall become when Almighty God SPEAKS forth from within himself the IMAGE of what he himself desire to BE.

         All these verses agree with John 1:1,14 where the SPOKEN WORD, the “LOGOS”, the SAYING of Almighty God, BECAME flesh, a human being and dwelt among us. Let us no read a couple of LITERAL translations of this most controversial verse in John 1:1 that is used to try and prove that Jesus is Almighty God HIMSELF in the flesh being FULLY Almighty God and fully a human being at the same time having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one human.


         Here is a link to a Greek to English Interlinear Bible that I use online which gives a LITERAL translation of John 1:1 that I myself personally find AGREES with the WHOLE word of God WITHOUT ANY CONTRADICTIONS to any other part of God's word. Check this link out for yourself:


http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh1.pdf

Here is the LITERAL translation from the link above:

             John 1:1



       “In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was TOWARD THE God and God was the SAYING



         The word “TOWARD” as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary means;

         #1. in the direction of,

         #2. in a position facing,

         #3. somewhat before in time, approaching,

         #4. with regard to, in relation to,

         #5. in furtherance of partial fulfillment of.

         #6. BY WAY OF ACHEIVING; WITH A VEIW TO ACHEIVING,

         #7. IN PROGRESS or IMMINENT, TRACTIBLEcoming, favorable, future.



         Also the word “TOWARD” carries the meaning of forward motion, which again agrees with the interpretation of the Word being the SPOKEN WORD being sent forth out of the MOUTH of God to BECOME what God sent his SAYING to BE.

         Now some translations like the King James Version read “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was “WITH” THE God, and Word was God.” The English word translated as “WITH” in the King James Version is the Greek word “PROS”, Strong's #4313, that is translated as “the SAYING was “TOWARD” THE God” in the LITERAL translation. So which INTERPRETATION best fits the WHOLE word of God so as NOT to be MISLEADING the reader?

         You see dear child of God this Greek word “PROS” has many meanings such as to, for, near, with the God, was toward the God, was BECAUSE OF the God, was or is BELONGING TO the God, is PERTAINING TO the God, was or is NIGH UNTO the God like Romans teaches us that the word is NIGH you and even in your MOUTH, and the SAYING wasWITHIN THE God. God's inner most desires. And one of God's inner most desires was to have a SON.

         Now any one of the definitions could be used in this verse. I personally believe that the best definition is “the SAYING was WITHIN THE God, and God was the SAYING.”

Which would be interpreted in the light of the whole word of God to mean and God shallBECOME his SAYING. To me this AGREES perfectly with the OLD Testament where God says,


       “I AM THAT I AM”


         The LITERAL translation of this verse in Exodus 3:14 is as follows:


       I SHALL BECOME WHAT I AM BECOMING


       So tell them I AM BECOMING has sent you”


       I am YAHWEH of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”



         To me this AGREES with the DEFINITION of the Greek word “PROS” which should have been translated in John 1:1 in ALL Bibles as:


       In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was WITHINTHE God  and God was the SAYING.


         Or even more correct and God BECAME the SAYING as opposed to God WAS the saying. To me the following would be the best translation of John 1:1 that AGREES with the WHOLE word of God.

       In beginning was the SAYING and the SAYING was WITHINTHE God, and God HIMSELF BECAME what he SPOKE forth to BE.


         Please read the words of Jesus in John 16:27,28, which agrees with John 1:1 teaching us that the SAYING that was WITHIN THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God came FORTH OUT FROM the MOUTH of Almighty God and God HIMSELF BECAME his very own SPOKEN DESIRE or PLAN.


       For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have BELIEVED that I CAME OUT FROM God.

       28. CAME FORTH FROM the Father, and am come into the world: again (further or furthermore), I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


         The Bible does NOT state as simple plain FACT that the word was MADE flesh AND still yet REMAINED FULLY THE ALMIGHTY God at the SAME time and dwelt among men having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one human.

         This is simply man's INTERPRETATION of what this verse means. This would be ADDING to the word of God.

         Now there is nothing wrong with adding descriptive words to better explain God's word,when these added words AGREE with the rest of God's word, but when these man made deductions and explanations contradict the rest of God's word, then they must be rejected as FALSE teaching. At the very least they should only be presented as THEORIES or OPINIONS making absolutely sure the hearer understands full well that the are someone's OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of what certain verses mean.

         In other words, simply READ what God's word PLAINLY STATES. And when INTERPRETATION is needed for understanding, then let the hearer KNOW that it is you OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

         You see dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Bible simply STATES as FACT in John 1:14 that the word or the SAYING was MADE flesh.

         So then, ask yourself what the SAYING was in the Old Testament that PROPHESIED of the coming Messiah.

         Do you find anywhere in the Old Testament of the SAYINGS of God prophesying that the Messiah would be a man who was FULLY ALMIGHTY God and fully a man at the same time having TWO natures, one DIVINE and one human? If so, then I would like to know where and what Bible you find it in, because I myself have found no such verse in the Bible itself.


         John 1:1 does NOT say that;


       In the beginning was the JESUS, and the JESUS was with God, and JESUS was God.”


         Nor does John 1:1 say that,


       In the beginning was the SON OF God the second person of the Godhead, and the SON OF God the second person of the Godhead was with God, and the SON OF God the second person of the Godhead was FULLY God being EQUAL with God in every way where neither is less than nor greater than the other.”


          But rather the CLEAR, PLAIN, and SIMPLE word of God STATES in simplicity that the word BECAME flesh.

          And Philippians 2:5-11 clearly teaches us that the FORM form which Jesus WAS in the beginning was indeed DIVINE, but that this DIVINE FORM LAID ASIDE, STRIPPED AWAY, GAVE UP all his DIVINE NATURE in order to take on the NATURE of HUMAN beings.

        

        Some Christians try and argue the ONLY God can do the things that Jesus did, so that proves that Jesus IS ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF.

         Again this is MAN'S INTERPRETATION of what God's word is saying.

         

         Let us take a close look at what the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible teaches us. Please read Hebrews 9:14 that Jesus over came the evil one THROUGH the power of the ETERNAL Holy Spirit, who DWELT IN him, and NOT the Jesus was Almighty God HIMSELF.

       Hebrews 9:14  

       "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who THROUGH the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"


       So then, we now KNOW that the Spirit is ETERNAL, but this verse does not say anything about Jesus or the SON OF Almighty God being an ETERNAL being. So let us keep looking in God's word by doing a word search on IMMORTAL as well as ETERNAL.

       1 Timothy 1:17

     "Now unto the King ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, INVISIBLE, the ONLY wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."


       Now if it were not the description of being INVISIBLE one perhaps could INTERPRET this verse to be referring to either the SON OF God or Almighty God. But we KNOW from other verses in the Bible that the one true God Almighty God the Father is INVISIBLE so I myself would interpret this verse to be speaking of Almighty God the Father as being the ETERNAL King who has always been IMMORTAL. Also notice this verse identifies Almighty God the Father as being the ONLY wise God.

       Then we read further in 1 Timothy 6:14-16 about the ONLY Potentate meaning the ONLY Sovereign or ALMIGHTY is the ONLY one who has always possessed IMMORTALITY within himself.

       1 Timothy 6:14-16

       "That you keep this commandment (precept or teaching) without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 

       15. Which in his times (speaking of the first and second comings of Jesus) he shall show, WHO is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 

       16. WHO ONLY has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom NO man has SEEN, NOR CAN SEE: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen." 


         We know from the very words of Jesus himself that NO man has SEEN the FATHER. We also KNOW that the Father is THE ALMIGHTY and SOVEREIGN God. The word Sovereign also means having ALL authority or the HIGHEST authority. But what really passage of scripture says that absolutely can ONLY be speaking of Almighty God are the words, "NOR CAN SEE", which without a doubt is another way of saying the INVISIBLE God.

         So then, in the LIGHT of these verses I do not see how any believer can dogmatically demand and teach that the SON has ALWAYS preexisted for all eternity past WITHOUT a beginning, because the word of TRUTH clearly teaches us that ONLY Almighty God the Father, the INVISIBLE God has IMMORTALITY.

         We also KNOW that Jesus the SON OF Almighty God the Father was GIVEN eternal life or IMMORTALITY even as the Father has. Please read John 5:26, which says,

       "For AS the Father HAS life in himself; so has he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;" 


         So then, we now KNOW with absolute certainty the Jesus did NOT preexist as the SON OF Almighty God. Therefore the ONLY POSSIBLE way that Jesus could have preexisted with Almighty God is as the "WORD".

        And this is EXACTLY what the word of God teaches us in John 1:1, which says,

       "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

       Now there are enough different INTERPRETATIONS of this one verse to fill a book so if you want the LONG version please read the study called "JOHN 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD"

       

       Now no Christian that I am aware of denies the TRUTH that Jesus CAME FROM God, that Jesus is OF God, that Jesus was SENT or COMMISSIONED by God, or that Jesus CAME OUT FROM God. I believe all Christians AGREE to this TRUTH that is clearly taught from the WHOLE word of God. In other words, I do not believe any Christian DENIES that miraculous VIRGIN birth of Jesus to be of DIVINE ORIGIN. So is a sense all Christians believe that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God the Father.

       But the Dilemma or the problem, or the CONTROVERSY comes when some Christians DOGMATICALLY DEMAND that the SON OF Almighty God IS ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF being FULLY God and fully man at the same time and they use verses like Philippians 2:6 in order to TRY and prove that Jesus or the Word that was MADE flesh REMAINED to be DIVINE and therefore FULLY ALMIGHTY God while also being fully man at the same time. A GOD/man as they say having TWO natures, a DIVINE nature and a human nature.

       The TRUTH of the matter is that the clear, plain, and simple word of Almighty God simply states in John 1:1,2 the following.


     “In the beginning (or more correctly in “A” beginning) was the Word, and the Word was WITH (THE) God, and the Word was (A) God. (or more correctly; and God was the Word, or and what God was the Word was, or even more precisely what God was the Word became. Where the Word was the EXPRESS IMAGE of what Almighty God is in his THOUGHTS and PLANS. God said of himself I AM that I AM. And another translation of this is I will be what I will be, or I will become what I will become, or I am BECOMING what I will become. Or what ever I say I will become.)

     2. The SAME (speaking of the WORD) was in the (or more correctly in “A”) beginning WITH (THE) God.”


       In other words, the clear, plain, and simple word of Almighty God says that in a beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, and the WORD was God. Now the last phrase “and the WORD was God” in the original Greek says, “and THE logos was THEOS”, which means that the logos was God, or the logos was a god, or a goddess, rather than “and THE logos was HO THEON”, which can ONLY mean that the logos was THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.

       Here is a LITERAL translation or John 1:1,2, which you can check out for yourself online by clicking on the link highlighted in blue.

       John 1:1

       In ORIGINal (in beginning or in ORIGIN) was THE saying (ho logos) and THE saying was toward THE God (ton theon) and God (theos) was THE saying (ho logos)

       John 1:2

       this was in ORIGINal (this was in beginning, or this was in "A" beginning but never to be dogmatically demanded to mean THE beginning, as in, all eternity past. This MAY be speaking of THE beginning, but the word of TRUTH does NOT plainly state it to be so, but rather says THIS of the saying the logos, the Word in beginning) toward THE God (ton theon)


       Please notice that the LITERAL Greek clearly and plainly says that God was the SAYING, which clearly means that God was whatever he SPOKE into being. In other words; and God was the Word, or and what God was the Word was, or even more precisely what God was the Word became. Where the Word was the EXPRESS IMAGE of what Almighty God is in his THOUGHTS and PLANS. God said of himself I AM that I AM. And another translation of this is I will be what I will be, or I will BECOME what I will BECOME. Or what ever I SAY or SPEAK FORTH as MY WORD I will BECOME. 

       So then, in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God the Word that was MADE to became FLESH or a HUMAN being should be properly understood as being the SPOKEN WORD of Almighty God himself who was speaking forth his THOUGHTS or the IMAGE he was THINKING or PLANNING to bring INTO EXISTENCE where it never existed before EXCEPT in the MIND and PLAN of Almighty God himself.

       Now if one INTERPRETS John 1:1 along with John 1:14 to mean that JESUS IS GOD by reasoning that since the WORD was made FLESH is speaking of Jesus and the WORD WAS God, then therefore this mean that JESUS was God, then one must ALSO reason that Jesus is the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, because the Old Testament clearly teaches us that there is only ONE true ALMIGHTY God. 

       And IF SO BE this were true that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF, then this ALSO means that Jesus IS THE FATHER, because there can ONLY be ONE FATHER of ALL, who ALONE is the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. And this is DILEMMA number three for the doctrine of the trinity that dogmatically states that Jesus is NOT the FATHER.

       But the CLEAR plain and simple word of God in the original Greek does NOT say that THE logos is THE God (ton theon), but rather the word of TRUTH say that THE logos was THEOS, which can be translated as God, a god, gods, or a goddess.

       So then, if we INTERPRET John 1:1 to mean that the Word or the saying was “A” god, rather than the Word or the saying was THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, then the Bible would be teaching MORE than just ONE God.

       Now some Christians right away say that the Bible teaches us that there is only ONE God so this interpretation of Jesus being “A” god cannot possibly be correct. And in PART they are correct, because IN THE BEGINNING there was indeed only ONE ALMIGHTY God who was ALONE with only his THOUGHTS. But then after God thought and thought he decided to create or to bring into existence what he thought. And this is what John 1:1 is speaking of when it says the Word was god. Almighty God was speaking forth his WORD to bring into existence a god that would be is only begotten SON that he would highly exalt to BECOME a god second only to his God and Father who brought him into existence by his spoken word.

       You see John 1:1 is NOT speaking of THE beginning, but rather he is referring to "A" beginning, which is what the LITERAL original language actual says. You see John is literally saying THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God BROUGHT FORTH his first SPOKEN THOUGHT in the FORM of his WORD or in the FORM of his SAYING and thus began to CREATE or to bring his THOUGHTS INTO EXISTENCE where they never actually existed before. So in THE beginning there was just ONE God, which is not exactly a correct teaching either seeing that the ONE TRUE God has NO BEGINNING, but rather the eternal Spirit has always possessed IMMORTALITY in himself being the ONLY SELF EXISTING one from all eternity. Jesus CAME OUT FROM Almighty God the ONLY one who ALONE has always possessed IMMORTALITY.

       You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, it is ONLY creation that has "A" BEGINNING. Jesus, the DIVINE SON OF Almighty God therefore had a BEGINNING, because to be God's SON means without fail that Jesus was BEGOTTEN OF Almighty God the Father. In other words, Almighty God was the SOURCE of the ORIGIN of the DIVINE SO OF Almighty God Father. So then, AFTER this ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God began to CREATE he created creatures or beings that he himself being the SOURCE first created, and then God made his creation to BECOME gods under him. That is to say, the one true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who created all things GAVE some of his created beings AUTHORITY and POWER to RULE over his creation. 

        This is why the Old Testament says that he is the God of gods. Lucifer was one such god. But he rebelled and abused his God GIVEN authority and power to try and over throw the throne of Almighty God the God of gods and the SOURCE of his created being Lucifer. It seems that Lucifer ACCUSED God fro CREATING him evil and rebellious so therefore he should not be punished. This is why I believe that God created another species of beings called mankind that was a little LOWER or INFERIOR to the angels. Please read the study "UNDERSTANDING WHY?" for all the verses that support what I just said and also answers a lot of hard questions of WHY God allows evil in the world and WHY bad things happen to GOOD Christians.

       But for now back to the study at hand. Then when the FULLNESS of  THE time came to be, meaning that the time was not speaking of just ONE specific moment in time, but rather THE time began at the human birth of Jesus all the way to the resurrection of Jesus and his being given new immortal spiritual body of flesh and bone that was PREPARED for his from before God created mankind. So then, Almighty God still not yet being a FATHER of his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, sent forth his SPOKEN WORD by his angel Gabriel, who then spoke the word of God forth as God's representative to the virgin Mary. And then when Mary AGREED to the SPOKEN WORD of God by saying, be it done according to your WORD, then the WORD was MADE to be CONCEIVED as a SEED in the womb of Mary to be BROUGHT FORTH as the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of Almighty God, the Son of MAN, a DIVINELY begotten SON OF God. The child then grew in stature, wisdom and in FAVOR with his God and Father to become a grown MAN whom Almighty God himself came down from heaven in the form of a dove as the Holy Spirit to DWELL IN his SON who was GIVEN the NAME Jesus, which means the SALVATION OF Almighty God. 

       You see, it was this INDWELLING of Almighty God the Father himself the eternal Spirit IN his SON Jesus that EMPOWERED his SON to do all the Father gave his SON to do. This INDWELLING of Almighty God himself IN his SON Jesus is called the ANOINTING, which is what the word or term "CHRIST" actual means. Jesus was THE CHRIST of Almighty God, but Jesus was NOT THE ALMIGHTY God himself. Jesus CAME OUT FROM Almighty God, but so did ALL of creation, so again this does NOT mean that Jesus IS THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF just because Jesus CAME OUT FROM Almighty God. Please do NOT misunderstanding what I am saying. I am NOT saying that Jesus was just an ORDINARY human being like every other human being. In NO way do I ever want to take anything away from the MIRACULOUS DIVINE ORIGIN of Jesus. But at the same time I do not want to go BEYOND what the WHOLE word of God teaches as other Christians have done by creating man made doctrine like the doctrines of the trinity and the deity of Jesus that dogmatically demand Christians to believe that Jesus IS THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF in the flesh and yet fully man at the same time or they are not truly saved.

       Yes the Bible does indeed teach us that Jesus IS GOD, but again this does NOT mean that Jesus is THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER. But rather this simple means that Jesus is "A" God, who was created and MADE to be "A" God by his God and Father and who is UNDER his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God, who ALONE has always had IMMORTALITY. So then, in THE beginning there was just ONE God, who was NOT a FATHER as yet, and neither was he the ALMIGHTY as yet, because he was ALONE with ONLY his THOUGHTS. Please read the study called "UNDERSTANDING WHY?" for a deeper understanding of how things began and why God allows EVIL to exist.

       The TRUTH of the matter is that the Bible does NOT teach that there is just ONE God, but rather the Bible teaches us that there is just one ALMIGHTY and MOST HIGH God. You see, the Jews and even some Christians did not CORRECTLY interpret the Old Testament scriptures. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 2: 14-17 that the minds of the Jews were BLINDED when they read the Old Testament so that they could not fully UNDERSTAND what the scriptures were saying.


     “But their MINDS were blinded: for until this day remains the same vale not taken away in the reading of the old testament; which vale is done away in Christ.

     15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vale is upon their heart.

     16. Nevertheless when it (the hearts and minds that seek the TRUTH) shall turn to the Lord, the vale shall be taken away.

      17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”


        In other words, we must depend upon the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all TRUTH. Jesus also told the Jews that they ERROR when reading the scriptures.

        My point is this. All through the history of the church there has been much controversy over the DILEMMA of Jesus being GOD and there being supposedly just ONE God, because this is what the Jews THOUGHT that the scriptures taught. 

        But SOME Christians throughout the history of the church have understood the ERROR of the Jews incorrectly believing that there was just ONE God and therefore these Christians rightfully believed and taught that the word of TRUTH clearly taught that God was the God OF or over all other gods. In other words, some Christians properly understood the word of TRUTH, which clearly teaches us that there is MORE than just ONE God, BUT properly understood that to US as Christians there is only one ALMIGHTY or only one MOST HIGH God. who is THE God OVER all other gods INCLUDING his SON Jesus, whom he MADE to be BOTH Lord and Christ.

       So then, some Christians throughout the history of the church CORRECTLY taught that Jesus was indeed God, but went on to say that Jesus was SUBJECT unto Almighty God the FATHER. In other words, they taught that Jesus was indeed God, but that Jesus had a HIGHER God OVER him, and that MOST HIGH God, who is OVER his SON Jesus, was the FATHER, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.

       But yet other Christians called them HERETICS, because that they themselves INCORRECTLY believed that to SAY that Jesus was just "A" god under Almighty God the Father would be saying that there are MORE than just ONE God. So in THEIR MINDS not fully turned to the Lord were saying to themselves it MUST BE either that God is ONE in that Jesus the Son of Almighty God the Father IS Almighty God the FATHER HIMSELF, as in, Jesus the SON, is ONE and the SAME being as the FATHER, which is the doctrine of Modalism or ONENESS.

       And yet other Christians in their MINDS knew right well that the WHOLE word of God clearly teaches us that Jesus is NOT the FATHER. So then,  these Christians CLAIMED that the ONLY way it could possibly for Jesus to be GOD with THEIR UNDERSTANDING that there can only be ONE God is that God MUST be a TRINITY, where Jesus as God is NOT ANOTHER God, but rather just a SECOND person of the ONE God who they CLAIM is three separate persons in ONE God. And THUS the doctrine of the trinity, which teaches that there are THREE separate persons IN ONE God came into existence where it was never taught before. IF you are TRULY seeking the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God, then you need to read some church HISTORY which clearly shows to us that this doctrine of the trinity is a man made doctrine that took many CENTURIES to be developed and accepted by Christians and even then many Christians gave their very lives because the refused to believe a FALSE doctrine. I give a little of church history further on in this study of God's word, which was quite an eye opener to me, so I implore you to keep reading.

       Now I myself was TAUGHT the doctrine of the trinity and believed it to be true for many years. But then one day, while talking the God about this DILEMMA that I began to see from STUDYING God's word, the Holy Spirit lead me to take a CLOSER look at the OLD Testament scriptures. For you see, I too INCORRECTLY understood that there was just ONE God, because this is what I had always been TAUGHT.

       Any way when I finally OBEYED the Holy Spirit and I looked up the meanings of the words used in the Old Testament I realized that many in early church and all throughout the history of the church had been going about solving this DILEMMA the wrong way. They were trying to FORCE Jesus and the Father to be just ONE God, as in, ONE and the SELF SAME God, when the TRUTH of the matter is that the Bible clearly teaches us that there is MORE than just ONE God, but that there is ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY God who ALONE is the FATHER and the SOURCE or the creator of all other gods. Please read the study called “OUR GOD IS ONE” for all the scriptures that teach us this TRUTH that there is ONLY ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY God, but there are many other gods as well. In other words, Jesus is indeed “A” God who is UNDER and SUBJECT to his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.

       With that being said let us get back to learning the CORRECT interpretation of Philippians 2:3-11.

       Now the Roman Catholic church in France for many years have always translated Philippians 2:6,7 as follows:


     “ Being of DIVINE STATUS, Christ did NOT greedily HOLD ON TO the RANK that made him EQUAL to God”.


       But then several bishops in France, who were scholars of God's word, got together after studying this passage of scripture more CLOSELY and decided that to be FAIR to to original text these verses should have been translated as follows:


     “Christ Jesus is God's IMAGE; but he did NOT choose to SEIZE BY FORCE EQUALITY with God.”


       But this translation caused much controversy among the Catholics in France and they demonstrated against the church saying that this translation is just like saying that,


       If Jesus refused to SEIZE equality with God, then it must be said that Jesus or the Word did NOT ALREADY possess EQUALITY with God"


       In other words, another DILEMMA for the doctrine of the trinity, which states that Jesus is co EQUAL and co ETERNAL with Almighty God the FATHER, which mean that Jesus, the SON OF Almighty God the Father, must have always been EQUAL with God from all eternity. Anyway these French Catholics put so much pressure on these bishops, who were Bible SCHOLARS, that these bishops gave in and made a COMPROMISE by changing the translation of Philippians 2:6,7 to the following:


      “Christ Jesus is God's IMAGE; but he did NOT choose to CLAIM to be the same as God


       But this new revised translation did not set well with the Catholic in France either. They said that that if Jesus did not choose to claim that he was the SAME as God, then this would imply that Jesus nor the Word was EVER the SAME as God.


       Again yet another DILEMMA for the doctrine of the trinity. In other words, these Catholic bishops were just trying to be HONEST by CORRECTING translating Philippians 2:3-11, but the lay Catholics, who are NOT Bible SCHOLARS, and do NOT understand what the original Greek language ACTUALLY says revolted against these bishops and said that this would be BLASPHEMY to say the Jesus was never EQUAL with God or the Jesus was never the SAME as God, BECAUSE this is what they had been TAUGHT to believe for so many years. They could not or WOULD not see the TRUTH because they refuse to lay aside what they had previously been brainwashed to believe by the Roman catholic church for so long.

       Any way the Roman Catholic bishops sent their findings to the pope in Rome in 1969 and the pope sanctioned that this translation was Biblical so the change was made and the OFFICIAL Roman Catholic translation in France is that Jesus is the IMAGE of God and that Jesus did NOT seek to be EQUAL with Almighty God his Father and that Jesus did not CLAIM to be the SAME as God.


       Now this OFFICIAL change that was made by the Roman Catholic church in France is like a direct DENIAL or a direct CONTRADICTION to the doctrine of the trinity that was originally formed over many centuries by the Roman Catholic church. So the question is WHY would these Catholic bishops push for such a change, which would CONTRADICT what they themselves had been TAUGHT by the roman Catholic church? Perhaps their CONSCIENCE would NOT let them translate Philippians 2:3-11 any other way than the CORRECT way. These Roman Catholic bishops just wanted to be FAITHFUL and HONEST to the original Greek text. And their fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord persecuted these bishops for teaching them the TRUTH. Does this not sound familiar to the words of Jesus who said why do you try to kill me for telling you the TRUTH!

       My Point is this. Philippians 2:6-11 has been a highly controversial verse throughout the history of the church. And as much as I hate to say this the trinitarians who were in CONTROL of copying the manuscripts have been known to alter a few places. So as much controversy and this verse has cause I myself am wondering if it was tampered with like 1 John 5:7.

       

       The TRUTH of the matter is that WHATEVER FORM the Word was BEFORE the Word was MADE FLESH is meaningless to argue, because the CONTEXT of this verse clearly states that this FORM or NATURE was CHANGED to become HUMAN in NATURE. 

        When people SAW the WORKS and the CHARACTER of Jesus they saw the MORPHE” or the FORM of Almighty God the Father himself. The saw the EXPRESS IMAGE of Almighty God when they SAW the WORKS being done by the hands of Jesus, which were actually being done BY Almighty God the FATHER who was DWELLING IN his SON. You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, Jesus was the FORM OF God, in that, Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE of his God and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God.

       We get the English word morphosis, which means to CHANGE form. More commonly used as metamorphosis.

       Some Greek scholars have HONESTLY translated the Greek word “MORPHE” as IMAGE in Philippians 2:6, which to me makes quite a lot of sense when you view the Word of God as the SPOKEN WORD of God as opposed to the Word being ANOTHER spiritual being that was with God in a beginning.

       In others words, Almighty God spoke forth his Word by his angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary and the Word CHANGED FORM and BECAME a HUMAN form. Jesus said in John 6:63 that it is the SPIRIT that quickens or makes ALIVE and then went on to says that the WORDS he SPOKE that he received FROM God were SPIRIT. In other words, the SPOKEN WORDS of Almighty God make ALIVE, they produce LIFE. God's WORDS are SPIRIT. 

       So in the light of this scripture it is very easy to see how Almighty God SENT his WORD, which was his PLAN to bring forth a SON into existence, down from heaven with his angel Gabriel, who then SPOKE God's WORD to the virgin Mary, and then when Mary AGREED to the SPOKEN WORD of God the WORD, being SPIRIT was MADE to become ALIVE in the womb of Mary to be BORN a HUMAN BEING. Truly a DIVINE ORIGIN of our Lord and savior Jesus the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God the Father, who became the IMAGE, the EXPRESSED IMAGE of his God and Father.

       So another way to translate Philippians 2:6 is ...who was in the IMAGE of God did NOT even think to RETAIN any of the divinity or glory, but rather took on the form of a SERVANT being found as a human being.

       

       This agrees with Hebrews 1:1-9, which clearly teaches us that the SON of Almighty God was BEGOTTEN or BROUGHT FORTH into existence where he never existed before on a CERTAIN DAY. This passage of scripture ALSO clearly teaches us that Jesus was MADE to be a God by his God and Father the ONE true and only ALMIGHTY God. In other words, Jesus did not always exist as the SON of Almighty God, but rather Jesus was brought forth into existence as the only begotten SON OF God by or through the spoken WORD OF Almighty God the Father, who is THE God OVER his SON Jesus. And Jesus did not always exist as a God beside his God and Father until the HUMAN Jesus as the SON of Almighty God was brought forth into existence, became obedient unto death on the cross and was raised from the dead. THEN and ONLY then was the SON of Almighty God the Father given a NAME above every other NAME so that at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow and confess that Jesus the Christ is LORD to the glory OF Almighty God the Father. In other words, God the SON did NOT become a God UNTIL AFTER he was born of a woman lived and obedient life without sin died for the sins of the world and was raised from the dead bu his God an Father who THEN and ONLY THEN HIGHLY EXALTED his SON Jesus to BECOME a God second only to the Father himself at his Father's side on his Father's throne. Every thing that Jesus is or has was GIVEN TO him BY HIS God and Father. Sorry if this offends you, but this is what the WHOLE word of God teaches us.

        Here is Hebrews 1:1-9.

     “God (speaking of the ONE true and ONLY ALMIGHTY God), who at sundry times and in divers manners (or in different manifestations such as visions or just a voice from heaven or speaking by his messengers they angels) spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

     2. Has (or Almighty God has) in these last days spoken unto us by his SON, whom he (Almighty God) has appointed heir of all things, BY whom (or through whom or more accurately FOR whom. You see the Greek word “DIA” here also means FOR THE SAKE OF. In other words, Almighty God made the worlds FOR THE SAKE OF his SON that he would one day bring forth into existence to become the heir of everything that Almighty God made or will make in the future.) also he (Almighty God) made the worlds;

     3. Who (speaking of Jesus the SON of Almighty God who spoke to us in these last days) being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person (meaning that Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE or character of his God and Father), and upholding all things by the word of his power (now this phrase may SEEM to be speaking of the POWER OF JESUS, as in, his OWN power, but in the original Greek it is clearly seen as Jesus doing the things that he did BY or THROUGH the POWER OF Almighty God, which agrees with the rest of God's word where Jesus said I can do NOTHING OF myself and then clearly taught us that the Father IN him did the works. In other words, Jesus did all things that he did on the earth as the Son of MAN, BY the WORD of the power of his God and Father through the Holy Spirit of Almighty God dwelling IN Jesus.), WHEN he (Jesus) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

     4. Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance OBTAINED a more excellent name than they.(Remember that the first state of Jesus was a little LOWER or INFERIOR to the angels. But AFTER Jesus over came the enemy, Jesus was MADE to BECOME much better that the angels)

     5. For unto which of the angels said he (Almighty God the Father) at any time, You are my SON, THIS DAY have I begotten you (speaking of a CERTAIN SPECIFIC DAY in time when the SON of Almighty God was brought forth into existence or BORN as a HUMAN BEING by or through the spoken WORD of Almighty God)? And again, I WILL BE to him a Father, and he SHALL BE to me a Son (this is FUTURE tense, because this was a PROPHECY of the COMING of the SON of God into EXISTENCE where the SON had never existed before except in the MIND and PLAN of God to one day bring in his only BEGOTTEN SON into the world as his WORD being BORN in the womb of a virgin to then be born as the Son of MAN)?

     6. And AGAIN, when he brings in the FIRST begotten into the world (Now this verse is speaking of the second coming of Jesus when the FIRST born from the dead to be GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE will once again be brought BACK into the world a SECOND TIME), he said, And let all the angels of God worship him. (you see when Jesus comes again to rule and reign for a 1000 years in his Father's kingdom he shall be called the GOD of the whole earth and even the angels will WORSHIP him and call him LORD TO the GLORY of Almighty God the Father, because the one true and only Almighty God has CHOSEN to share his GLORY with his SON whom he has ANOINTED to be a King of Kings and a Lord of lords and with another God will NOT share his glory.)

     7. And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

     8. But unto the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.

             9. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; (or you have OVERCOME SIN) THEREFORE (or for this very reason) God, EVEN YOUR God, has ANOINTED you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.”


       In other words, Jesus was MADE to be a God and a Lord of lords, and a King of kings BY HIS God and Father THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God the FATHER, who is THE King, and THE LORD over ALL including his SON Jesus.


       Can you not see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ, that whatever FORM that the WORD was in the beginning, that the WORD was MADE FLESH and the Word CHANGED from what ever FORM the Word WAS in the beginning in that the Word was MADE to BECOME 100% FLESH, to be MADE a HUMAN BEING just like you and me where Jesus was tempted in all points just like we are tempted yet Jesus did NOT sin or disobey his God and Father in any way. And THEREFORE his God and Father HIGHLY EXALTED his Son Jesus to BECOME a GOD to sit beside his Father to rule and reign over God's creation. This is what the WHOLE word of God teaches when the verses are LEFT in the CONTEXT and then COMPARED with the REST of God's word. 

       Now some Christians argue that Jesus HAD to be Almighty God in the flesh or else HOW could he be a MEDIATOR between God and man, because a good mediator must KNOW BOTH SIDES. Well to this the answer is quite simple. You see my dear brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus THE CHRIST, the ANOINTING, the Almighty God the Father himself DWELT IN his SON Jesus so therefore the ETERNAL SPIRIT was WITH Jesus being IN Jesus every step of the way. Do you deny that Almighty God the Father KNOWS just how you feel? Does not the word of God clearly teach us that God looks upon the HEART of a man? God KNOWS your heart. he KNOWS what you feel. If any thing being a good mediator would mean that Jesus NEEDED to be FULLY 100% a HUMAN being tempted in every point in the same way that we are tempted crying out to the Father WITHIN him for HELP. Only then could the Father TRULY KNOW the whole man by DWELLING IN that man. And since God could not dwell in and unclean vessel God created himself a MAN who would love righteousness so God could DWELL IN him.


       Some still try and argue that Jesus NEVER CEASED to BE ALMIGHTY God, when the Word BECAME FLESH, and therefore they dogmatically demand the Jesus is fully 100% Almighty God AND 100% MAN at the SAME TIME. And one of the verses that they use is Philippians 2:6 specifically focusing on the Greek word “HYPARCHO” that is translated as the English word “BEING” in the phrase. “Who BEING in the form of God”.

       But in TRUTH this Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225” actually means to COME to BE, or to come INTO EXISTENCE to be. Now while this Greek word is TRANSLATED as “BEING”, which some trinitarians INTERPRET to mean as having ALWAYS EXISTED and NEVER ceasing to EXIST, this Greek word is never used in the scriptures to describe the eternal BEING of Almighty God.

       In the Old Testament in the Greek Septuagint where Almighty God says that he is the I AM or the SELF EXISTING ONE the Greek word “EIMI” is used, but never do we find the Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225” in describing God as the SELF EXISTING one who will never cease to exist.

       You see. this same Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225” is also used in describing man as BEING the IMAGE and GLORY of God in 1 Corinthians 11:7, where some men CAME to BE the image and glory of God, rather than these men ALWAYS existing in the glory and image of God and NEVER CEASING to be in the glory and image of God.

       Here is 1 Corinthians 11:7 from the Darby Translation of the Bible.


     “For man indeed ought not to have his head covered, BEING (HYPARCHO #5225) God's image and glory; but woman is man's glory.”


       W. E Vines Epository Dictionary of New Testament Words say that “hyparcho #5225” comes from two Greek words “hupo”meaning under and “arche” meaning a BEGINNING. The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance says that this Greek word “hyparcho #5225” means to BEGIN under (quietly), i.e. COME INTO EXISTENCE (be present or at hand); expletively, to exist (as copula or SUBORDINATE TO)

       The word “expletive” means ADDED in order to fill out something. In other words, the Word CAME INTO EXISTENCE or was ADDED to exist in order to be the express IMAGE of God's thoughts. That is to say what God was in his thoughts the Word was or the Word came into existence to BE the express IMAGE of God's thoughts. In other words, Jesus came to be the FORM or the IMAGE of God, but he did not consider all the power and authority that he was GIVEN to even THINK to be EQUAL with his God and Father who GAVE him this authority and power.

       The Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon says that this Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225) means to BEGIN, to make a BEGINNING. 2. to make a beginning of 3. to begin doing.

        In other words, this Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225”always carries the meaning of something or someone who has COME INTO EXISTENCE at some point in time. So even the Word of God came into existence only AFTER God spoke forth his thoughts in the FROM or MORPHE or the IMAGE of his thoughts in order to BEGIN to create or to BRING INTO EXISTENCE his thoughts to become his EXPRESS IMAGE of his thoughts.

       There is another Greek word “GINOMAI” that means BECOME or COME INTO EXISTENCE that is sometimes translated as “IS”, “ARE” or “WAS”, but in no way is ever meant to have always existed. For example we read in 1 Peter 3:6, where Peter is talking to the wives and single women and says,


     “Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you ARE (ginomai), as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.”


       In other words, BEING a child of God does NOT mean that we have ALWAYS been the child of God. Nor does it mean that we shall NEVER CEASE being a child of God just because we once believed or once confessed Jesus as our savior. You see in the New Testament we BECOME the children of Abraham by FAITH and we only REMAIN children of Abraham if so be we hold fast to our faith unto the end. Please read the study “IS ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED BIBLICAL?”, but for now let us continue with this study in God's word of TRUTH on Philippians 2:6 a trinitarian DILEMMA.

       Another example in the word of God where the Greek word “HYPARCHO #5225” clearly shows the coming into a different state of BEING is in Luke 16:23.

     “And in hell he lift up his eyes, BEING (hyparcho #5225) in torments, and seeing Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”


       Clearly this rich man was not ALWAYS in torment, but rather CAME TO BE in torment when he died. And if one interprets the whole word of God correctly they will see that this rich man will not always remain in torment as in NEVER CEASE BEING in torment. Please read the studies “IS THE DOCTRINE OF HELL BIBLICAL?” and “DOES REVELATION 20:10 TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT?” for a sound Biblical teaching that God will DESTROY all the wicked in the lake of fire as opposed the eternally torturing them in torments of fire for all eternity as some falsely teach. But for now back to the study at hand.

       To me there is no doubt as to what the INTENDED meaning of this Greek word “hyparcho #5225”is to mean.

       In other words, Jesus preexisted ONLY as the WORD of God and NOT as the second PERSON of the trinity as the SON of Almighty God. The Bible clearly teaches us that in a beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with THE God and the WORD was God. John 1:1 does NOT say that in a beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with THE God and Jesus was God. NOR does John 1:1 say in a beginning was the SON, and the SON was with THE God and the SON was God.

       So then, we can either INTERPRET that the WORD was brought forth to became a SPIRIT BEING that was with THE God as a SEPARATE being or person along side of God, and that the WORD was “A” God like the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons do.

       OR we can interpret the Word that was in the beginning with THE God to be the SPOKEN WORD of God, and that the Word was or came to be the very EXPRESSED or spoken IMAGE of God that CEASED NOT to exist when the WORD became FLESH or a tree or an animal or anything that God has created THROUGH his SPOKEN WORD. In other words, the WORD continues to BE whatever God's THOUGHTS are that God chooses to bring forth into existence BY or THROUGH his SPOKEN WORD even AFTER the WORD has BECOME all that God has created. To say this another way God's WORD WILL NEVER RUN OUT. The WORD of God lives and abides forever. The WORD is the EXPRESS IMAGE of God. The WORD will CONTINUE forever even though the IMAGES that were brought forth may come to and end in that particular IMAGE that they were FIRST created to BE.


       Now IF SO BE that Jesus was FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the flesh, then since God CANNOT DIE, Jesus would NOT have been able to DIE. Some try to argue that only the flesh nature of Jesus die and that his DIVINE nature descended down to hell or the lower parts of the earth. But this would mean that Almighty God himself went to hell and would contradict other verses where the SOUL of Jesus was NOT left in hell. So in order to believe this THEORY then one would now have to believe that Almighty God becomes the SOUL of Jesus. 

       The TRUTH of the matter is that IF SO BE one INTERPRETS Philippians 2:6 to DOGMATICALLY mean without fail that Jesus IS THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF IN the FLESH, then WE as Christians are to have this SAME MIND to say the we ALSO are the Almighty God himself in the flesh.

       Can you not see my dear brothers and sister in our Lord Jesus Christ, whatever FORM the Word was before the Word was MADE to BECAME flesh and that Philippians 2:7 clearly teaches us that he laid aside this FORM of God that he once had and he took ON the human nature of a MAN, a HUMAN BEING. Philippians 2:5-11 clearly shows us that this FORMER form or nature was laid aside, stripped away in order for the Word to BECOME 100% a HUMAN BEING without any former form or former nature remaining in this UNIQUE creation of Almighty God that BECAME the SON of God on a certain day in time.


       The TRUTH of the matter is that the Word was MADE flesh, as in, Jesus was FULLY and TRULY a HUMAN BEING, who was ANOINTED or who was filled with the Holy Spirit of his God and Father the one true and only Almighty God. This is the DOCTRINE of CHRIST that we as Christians are to believe. The word CHRIST literally means that Almighty God the Father, the ETERNAL SPIRIT came down from heaven and DWELT IN the HUMAN BODY of his SON Jesus. Please keep in mind that the ETERNAL SPIRIT is present EVERYWHERE and is essence IS everything. But the writers of the new testament liken the Holy Spirit as DESCENDING DOWN from out of heaven to REMAIN upon Jesus. This is when Jesus actually became THE CHRIST, the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God.

       Please read 2 John 1:5-11 which teaches us that this DOCTRINE of CHRIST was delivered to us from the beginning.


     “And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

     6. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

     7. For many DECEIVERS are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ (or who confess NOT that Jesus is that ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God) is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (now to ME to confess that Jesus is FULLY God AND fully man at the SAME time is to confess NOT that Jesus was TRULY a HUMAN being like other human beings, because other human beings are NOT FULLY God. And toe ME, WHY would an Almighty God being FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the FLESH even need to be ANOINTED by himself? You see IF Jesus were FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the FLESH, then Jesus would NOT have needed to be ANOINTED by hid God and Father, because Jesus would ALREADY be fully Almighty God. Please read the study called “19 THINGS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!” )

     8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

     9. Whosoever transgresses, and abides NOT in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, has NOT God. He that abides in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, he has BOTH the Father AND the Son.

     10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed :

     11. For he that bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”


       You see, the Bible actually speaks of only TWO that we are to believe in in order to have ETERNAL LIFE, the ONE TRUE GOD who is Almighty God the Father AND his SON Jesus. I myself do not find anywhere in the word of TRUTH that we MUST believe in THREE in order to receive eternal life in the world to come. Please read the study "IS THE HOLY SPIRIT A PERSON?"

       Please read John 17:1-3, which teaches us what we must believe in order to have ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come.


     “These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify YOU:

     2. As YOU have GIVEN him (your SON) power over all flesh, that he (your SON Jesus) should give ETERNAL LIFE to as many as you have given him.

     3. And THIS IS life eternal (What IS life eternal? Or what must we believe in order to have ETERNAL LIFE?), that they might know YOU the ONLY TRUE God, AND Jesus Christ, whom YOU have SENT.”


       We must believe in BOTH Almighty God the Father as the ONE TRUE God AND we must believe that our Lord Jesus is the CHRIST, the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God the Father, who is the SON OF Almighty God.

       Now some will run straight to 1 John 5:20 to argue that the true God IS Jesus the SON OF God.

       But in TRUTH in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God this verse in 1 John 5:20 should be interpreted that Almighty God the Father is the one true God and that we must be IN the SON in order to have ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come, because the WHOLE word of God teaches us that if so be we do NOT have the SON, then we do NOT have the Father EITHER. The Bible makes it quite clear that Almighty God wants us to believe and HONOR his SON even as we believe and honor the FATHER.


     “And we know that the SON OF God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know HIM that is TRUE (now WHO did Jesus come to SHOW us? That is right Jesus came to show us and give us understanding of the FATHER. Jesus did NOT come to show us HIMSELF, but rather Jesus came to give us understanding of the FATHER), and we are in HIM that is TRUE (speaking of Almighty God the Father. But HOW? How are we IN the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God the FATHER?), even in his Son Jesus Christ (or even as we are IN the SON so shall we be IN the Father and have ETERNAL LIFE). This is the true God, AND eternal life.”


       In other words, the one true God IS the FATHER and in order to be IN the Father the one TRUE God we must be EVEN be IN the SON in order to have ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come. Please notice the conjunction AND which teaches us that we must have BOTH the TRUE God, who is the Father, AND his SON Jesus. THIS IS the true God AND eternal life. Having or believing in God's SON means that we have the Father ALSO and therefore believing in BOTH brings us ETERNAL LIFE. However, those like the Jews and the Muslims who do indeed believe in the one true God of Abraham, but they do NOT believe that Jesus is God's SON Therefore since they do not believe in BOTH, the one true God AND in his SON Jesus, then they do NOT have eternal life abiding in them. You see the Jews and the Muslims do indeed believe that Jesus existed and that he was a great prophet of God, BUT they do NOT believe that Jesus is God's SON. And therefore they do NOT have eternal life abiding in them. To me there is just something about the Bible putting so much emphasis that Jesus is the SON OF Almighty God and that we must believe that Jesus is the SON OF God that it SEEMS to ME that some Christians are teaching of ANOTHER Jesus, when they dogmatically demand that Christians MUST believe that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF is order to be saved. WHERE in the Bible does it clearly and plainly say the we must without fail believe that Jesus IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF in order to be saved? I have never found any such verse, but I have found many places were we are CLEARLY taught to believe in the SON OF God.

       Please read 2 John 5:20 from the Common English Bible, which says that we are IN him that is true, which is the Father, BY being IN his Son Jesus.


     “We know that God's SON has come and has given us understanding to know the ONE who is TRUE. We are in the one who is true BY being in his SON, Jesus Christ. This is the true God AND eternal life.”

       

       In other words, TWO things are being spoken of in this verse. The first thing is who is the ONE that is TRUE? And the second thing is what we must believe in order to have ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come. So to me this verse is saying that we are ONLY IN the one who is TRUE BY being IN his SON Jesus. And if was are NOT believing IN his SON Jesus, then we do NOT have the Father, the one true God. Therefore we must believe in BOTH the Father AND the SON in order to receive eternal life in the world to come.

       The Douey Rheims Bible in 2 John 5:20 says that they are BOTH true, where ONE is the TRUE God and the other is the true SON.


     “And we know that the SON OF God is come. And he (Jesus, the Son of God) has given us understanding that we may know the true God AND may be in his true SON. This is the true God AND life eternal.”


       In other words if we do NOT have the true SON, then we do NOT have the true Almighty God who alone is the Father. Jesus came to show us and give us an UNDERSTANDING of the FATHER. Jesus did not come to show us himself, but rather he was sent by his God and Father to give us and understanding of the FATHER. Please read 1 John 2:18-29.


     “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

     19. They went out from us (or they speaking of Christians did indeed leave our congregation and have come to your church), but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not ALL of us. (In other words, some Christians left one fellowship and went to another fellowship, but SOME of these Christians did NOT continue in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST which taught that Jesus is the SON of the one true and only ALMIGHTY God who was ANOINTED by his God and Father with the Holy Spirit OF Almighty God that DWELT IN his SON Jesus. That is to say some were ANTI CHRIST, because they were FALSELY teaching that Jesus was NOT ANOINTED BY the Father. Now it may be that they taught that Jesus was FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the flesh who did NOT need to be ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, because they believed that Jesus was ALREADY Almighty God in the flesh being FULLY Almighty God and fully human at the SAME time. I do not know, because all the Bible says is that the were ANTI CHRIST, which means that they did NOT believe that Jesus was the ANOINTED ONE of Almighty God the Father. They did NOT believe that Almighty God the Father himself DWELT IN his SON Jesus. The disciples of Jesus UNDERSTOOD that the SPIRIT of Almighty God DWELT IN his SON Jesus. The disciples of Jesus knew that God was WITH Jesus. And they clearly saw Jesus as a MAN that God FAVORED and bore WITNESS to that he was the TRUE SON of the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God the FATHER.)

     20. But you have an unction from the Holy One, and you know all things.

     21. I have not written unto you because you know not the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

     22. Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the CHRIST? He is antichrist, that denies the Father AND the Son. (In other words, if one denies that Almighty God the Father DWELT IN his SON Jesus, then they are anti CHRIST or against the ANOINTING of Jesus by or with the Holy Spirit OF Almighty God his god and Father the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. So I ask you this SIMPLE question, HOW can ALMIGHTY God DWELL IN ALMIGHTY God if so be Jesus the SON OF Almighty God the Father IS THE ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF? Again Jesus CAME OUT FROM Almighty God, but so did ALL of the creation of God. And again HOW can the SON have ALWAYS EXISTED for all eternity WITHOUT a BEGINNING when the SON is BEGOTTEN OF Almighty God. The very words, "SON" and "BEGOTTEN" demand a BEGINNING. And again the very word "ALMIGHTY" clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father is OVER his SON Jesus. YES the Bible teaches us that Jesus IS GOD, but the same word of TRUTH also teaches us that Jesus has a GOD OVER him who is GREATER than he and this ALMIGHTY God is the FATHER ALONE. So alone the one true God is the FATHER who sent forth his Son Jesus OUT into the world to preach and teach the WORDS of his God and Father and then to die for the sins of the whole world. therefore we must believe in BOTH, the Father AND his SON Jesus in order to receiver eternal life in the world to come.)

     23. Whosoever denies the SON, the same has NOT the Father: (but) he that acknowledges the SON has the Father also.

     24. Let that therefore abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning. (or SHOULD have heard from the beginning. This is why you need to search the word of God for YOURSELF to see if you are truly being taught the truth of the whole word of God) If that which you have heard from the beginning shall REMAIN in you, you also shall CONTINUE in the Son, AND in the Father.

     25. And this is the promise that he has promised us, even eternal life.

     26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

     27. But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.

     28. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

     29. If you know that he is righteous, you know that every one that does righteousness is born of him.”



       One of the things that I want you to see is that all through the Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament is that this word of TRUTH speaks of TWO far more that it IMPLIES three. Let me explain what I mean by this.

       We have are seen that we must have BOTH the Father AND the SON, but yet we do NOT see anywhere in the word of TRUTH that we must believe in the THREE or in the TRINITY.

       Yes I fully realize that the Holy Spirit is a PERSON, but I have also come to realize that Almighty God the Father and his Holy Spirit are ONE and the SAME BEING. Please read the study "THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE FATHER!". Where as Almighty God the Father and his SON are TWO SEPARATE BEINGS and distinct different persons or beings and we must believe in BOTH.

       Yes, they are ONE, but they are ONE in that they AGREE as one. Please read the study called “WHO IS JESUS?” for a deeper understanding that Jesus has been highly exalted to rule at the side of his God and Father because Jesus OVERCAME the enemy. In this study you will see how Jesus was ANOINTED by his God and Father to do the works that he did while Jesus was on the earth.

       But for now know that Jesus also used this exact same Greek word that is translated as ONE in John 10:30 where Jesus said “I and my father are ONE” as he did in John 17:20-23, where Jesus is praying to the Father for US to be ONE EVEN AS Jesus and the Father ARE ONE.


     “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them ALSO which shall believe on me through their word;

     21. That they ALL may be ONE; AS YOU, Father, ARE IN ME, and I in you, that THEY ALSO may be ONE in US: that the world may believe that you have sent me.

     22. And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that THEY may be ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE:

     23. I in them, and you in me, that THEY may be made PERFECT in ONE; and that the world may know that you have sent me, and has loved them, AS you have loved me.”


       So either Jesus is saying that he and the Father are ONE, as in, they are ONE and the SAME BEING, and IF SO BE this is truly what Jesus is saying in John 10:30, then Jesus is ALSO saying the very SAME thing in John 17:20-23, when Jesus is praying for US, as Christians, to be ONE with Jesus and his Father in the SAME way that Jesus and the Father are ONE, because the writer uses the exact same Greek word in both passages of scripture.

       Now for ME personally I am NOT going to confess that I am ONE with God to mean that I am ONE and the SAME BEING as Almighty God the Father. But I will confess that I am ONE with the Father in that I am in AGREEMENT with the Father to do as he WILLS.

       Be assured that Jesus was NOT saying that he was ONE and the SAME BEING as the Father, because in the same CONTEXT Jesus plainly teaches us that the Father is GREATER than his SON Jesus. Please read John 10:29 and verse 30 together as you will clearly see that Jesus is NOT claiming to be ALMIGHTY God when he said I and my Father are ONE, because in the verse right before this Jesus said the Father is GREATER than himself.


     “My Father, which gave them me, is GREATER than all (including his SON Jesus); and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.”


       Now if you think that I am adding to the word of God by INCLUDING his SON Jesus in the ALL, then please read John 14:28, which CLEARLY and PLAINLY states that Almighty God the Father is GREATER than his SON Jesus.


     “You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I.”


       Jesus is saying that he is going the the Father to prepare a place of AUTHORITY for US so that we can do the WORKS that Jesus did. Please read the study “THE POWER AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE BELIEVER!” for a deeper understanding that what Jesus went away to prepare for us was a CLEAN vessel so the the Holy Spirit could dwell IN US the same as the Holy Spirit was dwelling IN Jesus.

       This is the DOCTRINE of CHRIST that we as Christians should be teaching. Jesus said these WORKS that you see me do YOU shall DO ALSO. And the REASON that we are able to do the same works that Jesus did is BECAUSE he prepared a PLACE of AUTHORITY for US so that we could be where Jesus was, which is to be FILLED with the Holy Spirit of Almighty God to be ENDUED with POWER from on high.

        But because of the false teaching that Jesus was FULLY ALMIGHTY God in the flesh many Christians fail to see the TRUTH that they have been given the SAME authority over the enemy as Jesus was given. I personally have heard many Christians confess things like ONLY JESUS could live without sin.

        And yet the word of TRUTH teaches us to be PERFECT even as our Father in heaven is perfect. The Bible teaches us that we are to PURIFY ourselves EVEN as Jesus is PURE. God's word teaches us that Jesus is our EXAMPLE that we are to FOLLOW who did NO SIN. And the SAME word of TRUTH teaches us that ALL that Jesus did he did THROUGH the eternal Spirit of his God and Father the one true and only ALMIGHTY God. Please read the study “JESUS THE CHRIST” for a deeper understanding of the DOCTRINE of CHRIST that we must believe in order to receive ETERNAL LIFE in the world to come.


       Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Below are some other verses that are used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus. There may be other verses which you may be having trouble seeing any other way that what you were dogmatically taught, but I assure you that each and every verse used by those who teach the doctrine of the trinity does indeed have a different meaning that does NOT CONTRADICT any other part of God's word.

             Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past.

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!


JOHN 1:1-3


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” 


JOHN 3:13


And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


JOHN 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 


JOHN 3:31


He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.


JOHN 6:32 


         “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven


JOHN 6:33 


 For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”


JOHN 6:38


For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”


JOHN 6:42 

And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?


JOHN 6:50 

 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.


JOHN 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


JOHN 6:58

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever.


JOHN 6:62 


What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”


JOHN 8:14


Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”


JOHN 8:23 


And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”


JOHN 8:24


I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.


JOHN 8:42,43

        “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 
        43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.



JOHN 8:58


Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”


JOHN 16:28 


I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”


JOHN 17:5


And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”


JOHN 17:8 


For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.



JOHN 17:24 (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)


Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”


ROMANS 8:3 (scroll down to the eleventh verse in question in this study)


For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”


1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 (scroll down to the first verse in question in this study)


And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”


1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 (scroll down to VERSE #6.)


The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”


2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  (scroll down to VERSE #2.)


For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”


GALATIANS 4:4


But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”


EPHESIANS 3:9-11


And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”


EPHESIANS 4:8-10 (scroll down to the fifth verse in question in this study)


Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”


COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 (scroll down to the third verse in question in this study)


Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”


HEBREWS 1:2


Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”


Hebrews 2:16,17


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”


Hebrews 5:8


Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”


HEBREWS 10:5 (scroll down to VERSE #1.)


Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

Psalm 40:6,7


PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8


Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”


1 John 1:1,2


“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

          2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)”


REVELATION 3:14 


And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”


MICAH 5:2


But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”


GENESIS 1:26



And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”


PROVERBS 8:22  (scroll down to the second verse in question in this study)



The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”



Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the trinity and the deity of Jesus.

Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark.

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immauel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with his own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest is the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.

       

           Your brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

            Mark.

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