PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 PROVES Jesus PREEXISTED!

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PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 PROVES JESUS PRE-EXISTED!

DOES PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 PROVE THAT JESUS PREEXISTED

AS THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD?

 

Let us begin this study in God's word by saying that there is more than just one way to “interpret” Philippians 2:6-8. There is a correct way to interpret Philippians 2:6-8 and there are incorrect ways to interpret Philippians 2:6-8. So then, HOW do we know which “INTERPRETATION” of Philippians 2:6-8 is the CORRECT interpretation? As I have said many times in the studies I write that any interpretation which a Christian concludes must AGREE with what the WHOLE word of God teaches us.

I teach my readers to always start with the immediate CONTEXT when interpreting the Scriptures so let us read Philippians 2:1-11 which is five verses of context before Philippians 2:6-8 and three verses of context after Philippians 2:8-6. Please read the whole context even if you have read it thousands of times before. 

 

Philippians 2:1-11.

 

“If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 

2.  Fulfill you my joy, that you be like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind

3.  Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

4.  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 

Php 2:5  Let this mind be in you, which was ALSO in Christ Jesus: (So the subject in the first five verses of context is on having the SAME mind that Jesus has while he was on the earth which is to esteem others better than ourselves)

6.  Who, (Speaking of Jesus right now PRESENTLY in the PRESENT tense and NOT in eternity PAST) being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (I will explain WHY I say right now presently and NOT in eternity PAST after we read the whole immediate context)

7.  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 

8.  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 

9.  WHEREFORE, (Or BECAUSE OF this very REASON that Jesus Christ became OBEDIENT unto death even the shameful death of the cross) God also has HIGHLY EXALTED him and has GIVEN him a NAME which is above every name

10.  THAT (Or  SO THAT) AT the NAME of Jesus (Speaking of the NEW NAME that Almighty God GAVE to Jesus) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 

11.  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO the glory OF God the Father.” 


 

Now, does the CONTEXT agree with verse 6 being INTERPRETED as Jesus ALWAYS existing as Almighty God Himself? Does Almighty God the Father HIGHLY EXALTING Jesus agree with the Oneness Pentecostal and the Trinitarian teaching that Jesus was FULLY Almighty God in the flesh and fully a human being at the SAME time having TWO natures, one divine, and one human? Notice that verse 11 teaches us that all the GLORY is TO Almighty God the Father. Also, the CONTEXT is about having the SAME MIND as Jesus Christ to be HUMBLE, to be a SERVANT to others, and to esteem others better than ourselves. So what does any of that have to do with PRE-EXISTING of Jesus in eternity PAST in the FORM of God?

Keep in mind that we are reading the English TRANSLATION of what Paul actually said in the Greek language. So let us look up the meanings of the words in Philippians 2:6. Here is verse 6 with the Strong’s numbers color-coded so you can follow along with what I am saying a little easier.

 

Philippians 2:6 with Strong's numbers

 

“Who, G3739 being G5225 in G1722 the form G3444 of God,  G2316 thought G2233 it not G3756 robbery G725 to be G1511 equal G2470 with God: G2316

 

And here is how E-Sword defines these Greek words.

 

G5225

ὑπάρχω

huparchō

hoop-ar'-kho

From G5259 and G756; to begin under (quietly), that is, come into existence (be present or at hand); expletively, to exist (as copula or subordinate to an adjective, participle, adverb or preposition, or an auxiliary to a principal verb): - after behave, live.


The two root words that the compound Greek word “huparcho” comes from mean to COMMENCE to be UNDER or to come into existence to be PRESENTLY UNDER in the form of God. So then, the English word “BEING” means to come into existence to commence being under “the Father” in the form of God. Let us look at the next Greek word that is translated as in the “form” of God

 

G3444

μορφή

morphē

mor-fay'

Perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively nature: - form.

Total KJV occurrences: 3

 

Let us go ahead and look at how E-Sword defines the root word from which the Greek word “morphe” comes from which is translated as “FORM” of God.

 

G3313

μέρος

meros

mer'-os

From an obsolete but more primary form of μείρομαι meiromai (to get as a section or allotment); a division or share (literally or figuratively, in a wide application): - behalf, coast, course, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort (-what).


 

So then, Jesus came into existence to commence being under in the form or NATURE God by way of God adjusting his HUMAN nature to become DIVINE nature to SHARE the divine nature with Almighty God Yahweh the Father. The next word means Deity and divinity. It also means to be [A] God and with the definite article “the” it almost always refers to the ONE TRUE God who alone is the Father, according to what the Bible itself teaches us.

 

G2316

θεός

theos

theh'-os

Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].


 

Now let us read the first part of Philippians 2:6 with the meanings of the Greek words.

 

My own paraphrased version of Philippians 2:6a

 

“Who (Speaking of Jesus right now PRESENTLY in the PRESENT tense and NOT in eternity PAST) being (Or who has COME INTO EXISTENCE to PRESENTLY be UNDER)  in the form (Or in that NATURE, as in, by adjustment of his human nature to now SHARING the DIVINE NATURE)  of God,...”


 

In other words, AFTER the CROSS, Almighty God the Father HIGHLY EXALTED the Son of MAN, Jesus, and GAVE him the DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY to share in the GLORY of Yahweh the Father. The Greek word “Huparcho” is in the PRESENT tense and carries the meaning of coming into this present existence of sharing the divine NATURE of God.

The rest of verse 6 simply means that Jesus did not even think to seize this glory for himself. But rather, this was God’s idea. For you see, God SET this JOY before the Son of MAN, Jesus to ENDURE the cross, according to Hebrews 12:2. And even with such a joy set before Jesus he still had to BECOME OBEDIENT to put his OWN will under his God and Father’s  “WILL, according to Matthew 26:38-42 and the other gospels where Jesus prayed not my will but your  “WILL be done. Jesus wanted that cup of suffering on the cross to pass from him if at all possible. But Jesus knew the Scriptures spoke of him and he knew what God prophesied for him to do. So Jesus became OBEDIENT to do his God and Father’s  “WILL over his own  “will”. And for that very REASON of Jesus humbling himself to die a cruel and shameful death on the cross, his God and Father HIGHLY exalted him to sit on his God and Father’s throne at the Father's side.

Keep in mind that AFTER the 1000 year reign of Jesus has ended that Jesus will step down from ruling the Kingdom and commit the ruling of the Kingdom BACK into his God and Father’s hand so that God may be all and in all. Let us read 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 from the KJV, but first, I would like you to read verse 28 from the Message Bible. 

 

 1 Corinthians 15:28  from the Message Bible.

 

When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will STEP DOWN, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive - a perfect ending!”

 

The New Century Translation says it like this.

 

1 Corinthians 15:28 from the New Century Version.

 

After everything has been put under the Son, then he will put himself under God, who will have put all things under him. Then God will be the complete ruler over everything.”

 

 

And the whole CONTEXT in the King James Verison reads as follows.


1 Corinthians 15:22-28.


This is NOT what the Oneness Pentecostal doctrine teaches. Nor is this what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches. But this IS what the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us over and over again and again. And that is that Jesus is ANOTHER God UNDER and subject to his God and Father the ONE and ONLY TRUE God.

I myself do not see any problem with Almighty God the Father creating Himself another God to replace Lucifer the fallen rebellious God who Yahweh Himself set to be the God over the earth in ages past. The Bible clearly teaches us that Yahweh is THE God OF Gods. Please read the study “ARE THERE TWO GODS?” But for now, please know and understand that just because Jesus is [A] God does NOT make Jesus any less because Yahweh the Father COMMANDS us to HONOR Jesus EVEN AS we HONOR the Father. Jesus was GIVEN a NEW NAME to rule for Yahweh in the world to come IN the NAME OF Yahweh. And I believe that the new name of Jesus is Yahweh our RIGHTEOUSNESS. And during that day speaking about the world to come, the 1000 year reign of Jesus, Yahweh’s name will be ONE NAME. In other words. Jesus will be ruling is Yahweh's NAME as Yahweh's King of kings and Lord of lords.

Think about a King who has a Son and that King SETS his Son to be the King for the day over his kingdom. And if anyone does not RESPECT and honor his Son as the KING then when the King takes over the ruling his kingdom again I would NOT want to be the one who did NOT HONOR the King’s Son even as they HONOR the King himself. The word “God” is a TITLE just like the word “King” is a title. Satan is called the god of this present world but that does not mean that Satan is THE ONE TRUE God. So Jesus being in the FORM of God does NOT prove that Jesus always pre-existed in the FORM of God. Let us continue reading Philippians 2:7,8 with Jesus coming into existence in the form of God AFTER the CROSS. I will use the paraphrased version for verse 6 only and the KJV for verse 7 and 8.

 

Philippians 2:6-8.

 

“Who (Speaking of Jesus right now PRESENTLY in the PRESENT tense and NOT in eternity PAST) being (Or who has COME INTO EXISTENCE to PRESENTLY be UNDER)  in the form (Or in the DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY, as in, by adjustment of his human mortal nature to now SHARING the DIVINE NATURE)  of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Or it did not even enter into the mind or thought of Jesus to seize to be like God) 

7.  But (Or CONTRARY-WISE Jesus) made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made (Or BEING made) in the likeness of men: 

8.  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”


 

I believe that Yahweh PROPHESIED the ORDER of events in the order that they are to be FULFILLED. As you read the prophecy of both the first and the second coming of Jesus in Isaiah 9:6,7, I want you to notice that a CHILD is prophesied to be born FIRST. And then, the Son that is to be GIVEN is NOT God’s Son coming down from heaven, but rather, it is the Son of MAN, Jesus who was GIVEN as the atonement for sin. Then notice that the Son given will NOT be called the Mighty God UNTIL the government is LAID on his shoulders in the world yet to come.

 

Please read Isaiah 9:6,7.

 

“For (Order of event #1 that has already been FULFILLED) unto us, a CHILD is BORN, (THEN comes Order of event #2 that has also already been FULFILLED) unto us a son is given: (Speaking of the HUMAN Son of MAN, Jesus as the Son given as the ONE sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yahweh provided His own Lamb that was slain in the mind of God from the foundation of the world. God chose His Lamb to be made inferior to the angels so He made the human race a little lower than the angelic beings) and (And THEN Order of event #3 is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED) the government shall be upon his shoulder: (Which is the WRATH of God executed by Jesus. That is WHEN the kingdoms of this present world will become the kingdom of God's dear Son to begin the 1000 year reign of Jesus) and ( And THEN will come Order of event #4 that is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED WHEN the government will be set upon the shoulder of Jesus IN the world to come, at which TIME) his NAME shall be CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, (Or more precisely, according to Hebrew 5:9, the Father of everlasting life or the AUTHOR of eternal life. For you see, it was BECAUSE, OF the Son of man, Jesus obeying his God and Father's Will, that Jesus made it possible for whosoever believes in him shall be saved. Jesus was MADE perfect and he BECAME the Father of eternal life AFTER the cross. For you see, the Son of MAN, Jesus, was GIVEN the authority and the power AFTER the cross to JUDGE and also to give eternal life to whomsoever he chooses. This is why Psalms 2 prophesies to kiss the feet of God’s Son whom He ordained to be his King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus is also called) The Prince of Peace. (And, according to Revelation 1:5, Jesus is our Prince right now standing at the right hand of God. But at his second coming, Jesus will SIT on the right hand of Yahweh to rule and reign FOR Yahweh as the Lord of the Sabbath. And at that time, the kingdoms of this present world will become the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. And)

7.  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”


 

Also, please notice WHO is doing the PERFORMING of His own spoken word of PROPHECY that came forth OUT FROM His mouth. It is Almighty God Yahweh the creator who is performing His own word. So to me, Jesus is the FULFILLMENT of the spoken word of PROPHECY. Jesus began as a THOUGHT in God’s mind as God's secret plan of salvation. Not just the salvation of mankind that He had not yet created, but also the RESTORATION of the entire universe back to being at PEACE having no WAR. God created the human race to put an END to evil. Please read the studies under the heading >>>WHY ARE WE HERE-IS GOD AT WAR?<<< 

I myself find NO prophecies of a God the Son coming down from heaven to manifest or to incarnate himself to become flesh. We ALL agree that the BODY of Jesus was CREATED so why is it so hard for some Christians to believe that ALL of Jesus was created by Yahweh the Father? Please read another prophecy made by Yahweh concerning a new people that He would CREATE in the future, as in, the future from the time the prophecy was first written and prophesied in the Old Testament.

 

Please read Psalm 102:18.  

 

“This shall be written for the generation TO COME: and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the LORD.”

 

And when we considered the ALL of the  “whosoever who believe of fallen man who have been and who will be CREATED IN Jesus Christ to become God’s NEW CREATION of righteous people, then I myself believe that Psalm 102:18 is the PROPHECY of God’s new creatures who are created in His Son Jesus Christ. But how does this verse prove that Jesus himself was created? Again, we all agree that the BODY of Jesus was CREATED. We all agree that Jesus was SLAIN in the MIND and PLAN of Almighty God from the foundation of the world and that he was NOT LITERALLY slain in eternity past. So why is it so hard to believe that ALL of Jesus was created? Why try to make a PART of Jesus to pre-exist in eternity past while knowing full well that his body was indeed created at his virgin birth? I mean, why would the SOUL and the spirit of Jesus pre-exist without a body in eternity past unless you NEED for Jesus to NEVER have a beginning so that you can say Jesus has always been Almighty God Yahweh WITHOUT ever having a BEGINNING? Please consider the PROPHECIES. We already saw the ORDER of the events prophesied in Isaiah 9:6,7 but some may argue that Jesu was BORN and NOT CREATED.

To ME, there is no difference between being created and being born because I was BORN but I also understand that God CREATED me. But I can relate to Christians who do not like it when other Christians say that Jesus was CREATED. Sometimes the truth offends the “religious” spirit that has crept into our lives. The Jews wanted to KILL Jesus just because he was teaching them the TRUTH. But the Jews that finally understood the word of Jesus got over their being offended. My intention is not to offend anyone but rather I want you to THINK for YOURSELF.

 

Please read Jeremiah 31:22.  

 

“How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.”

 

Do you remember what the angel Gabriel said to the Virgin Mary at the time the child was CONCEIVED in her WOMB that COMPASSED the manchild? He said that Holy THING in you SHALL be called the Son of the Highest and the Son of God. And Jeremiah 31:22 says that new THING was CREATED. Mary said be id done according to your WORD. In other words, Mary said let it be according to what you just SAID that God SAID would take place. So Mary BELIEVED God’s word of PROPHECY that was spoken to her by God’s messenger, Gabriel. Jesus is the FULFILLMENT of Yahweh’s word of PROPHECY. And one on the prophecies is that God would EXALT His FIRSTBORN Son.

 

Please read Psalm 89:25-29.

 

I (Yahweh) will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 

26.  He shall cry unto me, You are my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 

27.  Also, I (Yahweh) will make him my FIRSTBORN, HIGHER than the kings of the earth

28.  My mercy will I keep for him forevermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him

29.  His seed also will I make to endure forever, and his throne as the days of heaven.”


 

This is a PROPHECY of Jesus to be made HIGH than the kings of the earth. Jesus is called the FIRSTBORN in the New Testament. Let us read those verses where Jesus is called the FIRSTBORN.

 

Matthew1:25.   


And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

 

So then, we see the FULFILMENT of the prophecies of the HUMAN CHILD being BORN first. We do OT see a pre-existing God the God coming down from heaven and incarnating himself in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

 

Romans 8:29. 


 “For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren

 


Then we see that the HUMAN Jesus BECAME the FIRSTBORN among many BRETHREN that are being conformed into the IMAGE of God's GLORIFIED Son AFTER the cross. And HOW do we know the IMAGE of God means the GLORIFIED Jesus and NOT the mortal human Jesus BEFORE the cross to be the CORRECT interpretation? Read all the verses where Jesus is called the FIRSTBORN and then put them all together.


 

Colossians1:15.   


Who is the IMAGE OF the invisible God, the firstborn of every CREATURE:

 


First of all, please notice that this verse says  “CREATURE” which means that Jesus is a CREATED being who was created in the IMAGE OF the invisible God. Adam was the first human creature. Adam had no sin when God first created him. After Adam sinned, he was no longer in the IMAGE OF God. So then, WHEN did Jesus BECOME the IMAGE OF Yahweh, the invisible God? Keep reading the CONTEXT in verse 18.

 

Colossians 1:18.   


And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


 

In other words, Jesus is the BEGINNING of his CHURCH, the called-out ones to serve God in RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jesus is the BEGINNING of God’s NEW CREATION of GLORIFIED humans. Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS of God’s CREATURES to be CREATED as IMMORTAL human beings. Jesus is the FIRST human to be born from the dead to be given the DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD ONES is what this verse literally says. Jesus is the firstborn among many BRETHREN. Jesus is our BROTHER. Jesu is the FORERUNNER gone BEFORE us. And because of what the ANOINTED Son of MAN, Jesus did, his God and Father ALSO made Jesus Lord, according to Acts 2:26. Jesus is head over us but Yahweh is the head over Jesus, according to 1 Corinthians 11:3.

 

Hebrews 12:23.   


To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 


Jesus was MADE PERFECT BY Yahweh the Father when Almighty God the Father SHARED His GLORY with him AFTER the cross. And even after Jesus was glorified, he did not even think to be EQUAL with God. So to ME, Philippians 2:6-8 does NOT prove that Jesus pre-existed as God the Son, the second person of the Godhead.

Now, some Christians may argue that Philippians 2:6,7 SEEMS to be say that a pre-existing Jesus TOOK ON human nature. And just reading the English translation those verses do SEEM as if Jesus made the choice to be made FLESH in the fashion of humans. But the Greek language is not the SAME as the English language which has more “structure”. In other words if you move words and phrases sound in the English language then you might change the true intended meaning of a sentence. But this is NOT the case in the ancient Greek language. Here is a quote from an article that was written by Spencer Alexander McDaniel, who knows Ancient Greek. He was asked the following question.

 

Did Ancient Greek have free word order?


And here is his answer. The emphasis in my own.


 “For the most part, yes. There are some general rules for word order, but none of them are really hard-and-fast. While English is highly dependent on word order to determine meaning, ancient Greek is a highly inflected language in which most of what English does with word order is done instead using noun case endings. The same is also true for Latin, but, unlike ancient Greek, Latin generally tends to follow a pattern of having the subject at the beginning of the sentence, the object in the middle, and the verb at the end (SOV order).

In ancient Greek prose, word order is usually determined mainly by emphasis and personal taste. The aspect of the sentence that a writer wants to emphasize the most normally goes at the beginning, the part that writer wants to emphasize second most normally goes at the end, and everything else goes basically somewhere in the middle. The two most common orders are SOV (subject-object-verb, as in Latin) and SVO (subject-verb-object, as in English). Generally, in my experience, in prose texts, I have found that the subject often tends to occur towards the beginning of the sentence, but this is far from always true and you can often find sentences where subjects do not show up until somewhere in the middle of the sentence or even not until the very end.

Generally speaking, ancient Greek writers do not normally split up prepositional phrases. Also, in most cases, words that are related to each other are typically grouped together. Articles almost always come before the nouns they refer to, typically immediately before or with an adjective in between. Adjectives can come before or after the nouns they modify, but are typically kept close to those nouns in proximity.

However, it is very common for texts to violate any or all of these principles for stylistic reasons. In fact, it is so common that classical scholars even have a name for it: hyperbaton (from ancient Greek ὑπέρβατον, which literally means “stepping over”). Hyperbaton occurs wherever a writer splits up words that would normally be grouped together for some kind of rhetorical effect. This may go so far as dropping a demonstrative pronoun at the beginning of the sentence, an article in the middle, an adjective halfway between the middle and the end, and then the noun that the demonstrative, the article, and the adjective are referring to at the very end! The point of doing this is to build up suspense for the conclusion of the sentence.

 

In  other words, the TRUE INTENDED meaning of any verse in the Bible can only be correctly interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God. Keep in mind that the actual order of the Greek words in the original text are not necessarily read and understood in the order that they are WRITTEN. 

For example, the Old English King James style of writing is “backward” to us in the way we speak English today. When I first read Revelation 20:4-6 I had to read it several times before I finally saw that the FIRST resurrection is NOT at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus. I was so focused on the ONE phrase “THIS IS the FIRST resurrection” that I could not see the rest of the Scripture until I took my FOCUS off of the ORDER in which the phrase “this is the first resurrection” was placed. Let us go ahead and read the KJV and then read my own paraphrased version so you can see what I am saying.

 

Revelation 20:4-6 from the King James Version.

 

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 

5.  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (If you are not aware of the “BACKWARD” Old English style of writing then verse 5 SEEMS to be saying that the FIRST resurrection is when the REST of the dead will be resurrected. In other words, the ORDER of the placement of the phrase “This is the first resurrection” is in the WRONG place in the way that we speak English today. It should be placed at the BEGINNING of verse 5 and NOT at the END of the verse)

6.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

 

Now let us read Revelation 20:4-6 from my own translation where I simply moved that last phrase in verse 5 to be the first phrase in verse 5 because this is the way we speak English today. You can clearly see that moving the last phrase to be the first phrase did NOT change the true meaning of this passage of Scripture. But rather, by moving the phrase to the way we speak English today, it makes verse 5 much clearer and easier to understand.

 

Revelation 20:4-6 from my own translation.

 

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

5. This is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

6.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

 

With this in mind, let us now go back to Philippians 2:6-8 and do the SAME moving of the last phrase in verse 7 to be the first phrase in verse 7.

 

Philippians 2:6-8 from my own translation.

 

“Who (Speaking of Jesus right now PRESENTLY in the PRESENT tense and NOT in eternity PAST) being (Or who has COME INTO EXISTENCE to PRESENTLY be UNDER)  in the form (Or in the DIVINE NATURE of IMMORTALITY, as in, by adjustment of his human nature to now SHARING the DIVINE NATURE)  of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Or it did not even enter into the mind or thought of Jesus to seize to be like God) 

7.  But (Or CONTRARY-WISE, Jesus) was made (Or NEVERTHELESS, Jesus BEING made) in the likeness of men made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, 

8.  And being found in fashion as a man, (Or having been a partaker of the fashion of humans) he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

 

Here is how E-Sword defines the Greek word translated as “but” in verse 7.

 

G235

ἀλλά

alla

al-lah'

Neuter plural of G243; properly other things, that is, (adverbially) contrariwise (in many relations): - and, but (even), howbeit, indeed, nay, nevertheless, no, notwithstanding, save, therefore, yea, yet.

 

So the Apostle Paul is CONTRASTING who Jesus is NOW after being GLORIFIED to who Jesus was DURING the days of his FLESH from his virgin birth to the cross BEFORE the Son of MAN, Jesus was HIGHLY EXALTED by his God and Father, Yahweh, the ONLY TRUE God who has always existed without ever having a beginning. And this interpretation of Philippians 2:6-8 not only agrees with the immediate CONTEXT but it also agrees with the WHOLE word of Almighty God. There is not one verse of Scripture that CONTRADICTS this interpretation of Philippians 2:6-8 when those verses are CORRECTLY interpreted in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of God.

Below is a complete list of all the studies that I have which show WHY I no longer believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and why I can NEVER believe in the doctrine of Oneness. I assure you that every verse that SEEMS to be saying that Jesus pre-existed in eternity past has another meaning that does NOT contradict any other verses of Scripture in the entire Bible.

Thanks for reading and may God bless you richly as you CONTINUE to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

 

Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Brother Mark.

 

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VERSES USED TO TEACH THAT JESUS PREEXISTED!

JOHN 1:1

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

 

JOHN 1:1-3

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” 

 

JOHN 1:1-5,14,18 

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God.

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.

4.  In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 

5.  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.…

...14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.…

...18. No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.”

 

JOHN 1:14

 

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

 

JOHN 1:15

 

“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.”

 

JOHN 1:18 

 

John 1:18 (NAS) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

 

JOHN 2:19

 

“ Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

 

JOHN 3:13

 

“And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

 

JOHN 3:17

 

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” 

 

JOHN 3:31

 

He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all.”

 

JOHN 6:32 

         

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven

 

JOHN 6:33 

 

For the bread of God is he which comes down from heaven, and gives life unto the world.”

 

JOHN 6:38

 

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

JOHN 6:42 

 

“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?”

 

JOHN 6:50 

 

“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.”

 

JOHN 6:51

 

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eats of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 

JOHN 6:58

 

“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live forever.”

 

JOHN 6:62 

 

“What and if you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”

 

JOHN 8:14

 

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”

 

JOHN 8:23 

 

“And he said unto them, You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world.”

 

JOHN 8:24

 

“I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.”

 

JOHN 8:42,43

        

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 

43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.”

 

JOHN 8:58

 

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

 

JOHN 10:30.31

 

I and my Father are one

31.  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.” 

 

JOHN 14:8-10

 

“Philip said unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 

9.  Jesus said unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father? 

10.  Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works. 

JOHN 16:27,28 

 

“For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God

18. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

 

JOHN 17:5

 

“And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

 

JOHN 17:8 

 

“For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.”

 

 

JOHN 17:24

 

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.”

 

MATTHEW 1:23

 

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

 

ROMANS 8:3 

 

“For what the law could not do, in that, it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:4

 

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

 

1 CORINTHIANS 15:47  

 

“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

 

2 CORINTHIANS 8:9  

 

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.”

 

GALATIANS 4:4

 

“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

EPHESIANS 3:9-11

 

“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hidden in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10. To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11. According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:”

 

EPHESIANS 4:10 

 

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)”

 

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 

 

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17. And he is before all things, and by him, all things consist.”

 

1 TIMOTHY 3:16

 

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

 

TITUS 2:13,14

 

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

14.  Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

 

HEBREWS 1:1,2

 

“Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

 

HEBREWS 2:14-17

 

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 

15.  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 

16. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17. Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”

 

HEBREWS 5:8

 

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”

  

HEBREWS 10:5 

 

“Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:”

 

HEBREWS 13:8

 

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” 

 

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8

 

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

 

1 JOHN 1:1,2

 

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested unto us;)”

 

1 JOHN 5:7

 

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 

 

1 JOHN 5:20

 

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

 

REVELATION 3:14 

 

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”

 

GENESIS 1:26

 

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”

 

PROVERBS 8:22-31 

 

“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”

 

MICAH 5:2

 

“But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

 

ISAIAH 9:6

 

“For unto us, a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

 

ANGEL OF THE LORD VERSES

 

Thanks for reading. May God bless you richly as you continue seeking the truth of the whole word of God. Also, please read the studies listed below related to Jesus being God, the doctrine of the Trinity, the Oneness doctrine, and the Deity of Jesus.

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             Verses used to try and support the doctrine of the trinity, and that Jesus is Yahweh himself, as in one and the self-same being.

Genesis 1:26---Let US make man in OUR image!

Genesis 18:1-3 Was Jesus ONE of the THREE MEN or angels who APPEARED to Abraham?

Genesis 19:24--- YAHWEH rained down fire... from YAHWEH.

Isaiah 6:3---HOLY HOLY HOLY means TRINITY!

Isaiah 7:14---Immanuel God with us!

Isaiah 9:6---MIGHTY GOD and EVERLASTING FATHER!

Isaiah 48:16---The LORD AND HIS SPIRIT SENT ME!

Micah 5:2--- From everlasting.

Zechariah 12:10--- Look upon me whom they have pierced.

Matthew 1:23---Emmanuel God with us!

Matthew 28:19---In the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

JOHN 1:1---AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

JOHN 2:19-22---Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead?

JOHN 5:18 JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD!

JOHN 8:24 PROVES JESUS IS YAHWEH!

JOHN 8:58---BEFORE ABRAHA I AM!

JOHN 10:30---I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

JOHN 14:19---JESUS IS THE FATHER?

JOHN 20:28---MY LORD AND MY GOD!

Acts 20:28--- He has purchased with His own blood.

Romans 9:5--- Christ came...God blessed forever.

 2 CORINTHIANS 13:14 TEACHES TRINITY?

EPHESIANS 3:9 DID JESUS CREATE ALL THINGS?

COLOSSIANS 2:9 IS JESUS THE GODHEAD?

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11 PROVES PREEXISTENCE

1 TIMOTHY 3:16---God was manifest in the flesh

TITUS 2:13---Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

TITUS 3:2 God our Savior toward man APPEARED

Hebrews 1:8--- Your throne O' God.

Hebrews 7:1-3 ---Is Melchizedek a theophany of Jesus?

1 John 5:7--- And these three are one.

1 John 5:20--- Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God...

2 Peter 2:1---God AND our Savior Jesus Christ 

2 Peter 3:18---Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 

Revelation 1:8--- JESUS IS THE ALMIGHTY?

Revelation 1:17--- First and the Last (Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 17:14--- WHO IS THE KING OF KINGS.

       

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Now, I, myself, do not find one verse in the entire Bible that prophesies of God the Son being sent down from heaven to incarnate himself as the Son of God having TWO natures, one divine, and one human.

More Scriptures that show the TRUE Jesus to be the fulfillment of the Scriptures of PROPHECY that you can look up on your own: Luk_24:6-7, Luk_9:22, Luk_18:31-33; Mat_16:21, Mat_17:22-23, Mat_20:18-19; Mar_8:31-32, Mar_9:31; Mar_10:33-34; 1Pe_1:10-11; Rev_19:10+++ Joh_16:4-5, Joh_16:16-17, Joh_17:11-13+++Luk_24:26-27, Luk_24:46, Luk_21:22; Mat_26:54, Mat_26:56; Joh_19:24-37; Act_3:18, Act_13:29-31, Act_13:33; 1Co_15:3-4

In the law: Gen_3:15, Gen_14:18, Gen_22:18, Gen_49:10; Lev_16:2-19; Num_21:8, Num_35:25; Deu_18:15-19; Joh_3:14, Joh_5:46; Act_3:22-24, Act_7:37; Heb_3:5, Heb_7:1, Heb_9:8, Heb_10:1

In the prophets: Luk_24:27; Act_10:43; Isa_7:14, Isa_9:6, Isa_11:1-10, Isa_28:16, Isa_40:1-11, Isa_42:1-4, Isa_49:1-8, Isa_50:2-6; Isa_52:13-15, Isa_53:1-12, Isa_61:1-3; Jer_23:5, Jer_33:14; Eze_17:22, Eze_34:23; Dan_2:44, Dan_7:13, Dan_9:24-27; Hos_1:7-11, Hos_3:5; Joe_2:28-32; Amo_9:11; Mic_5:1-4; Hag_2:7-9; Zec_6:12, Zec_9:9, Zec_11:8-13, Zec_12:10, Zec_13:7, Zec_14:4; Mal_3:1-3, Mal_4:2-6

In the psalms: Psa_2:1-12, Psa_16:9-11, Psa_22:1-31, Psa_40:6-8, Psa_69:1-36, Psa_72:1-20, Psa_88:1-18; Psa_109:4-20, Psa_110:1-7, Psa_118:22; Joh_5:39; Act_17:2-3; 1Pe_1:11; Rev_19:10.

 

And as I promised here is the list of the six main headings that list all the studies I have on this subject as to who Jesus is according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.

I will also give this list of the six following headings again at the end of this study so you can stay focused on one study at a time.

 

>>>A LIST OF STUDIES ON THE TRINITY!<<<

 

>>>IS THE DOCTRINE OF ONENESS BIBLICAL?<<<

 

>>>WHO OR WHAT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?<<<

 

>>>IS JESUS THE CREATOR?<<<

 

>>>WAS JESUS CREATED?<<<

 

>>>WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG?<<<

 

And for further studies on false teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ please read the studies listed throughout all the studies here at AMatterOfTruth.com and view the videos under the tab at the top called >>>FALSE TEACHINGS!<<< Under that heading, you will find the facts of what religious groups like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Islam teach about Jesus as compared to the word of TRUTH, the Holy Bible, as in, the WHOLE word of Almighty God. And by the phrase “the WHOLE word of Almighty God”, I mean that all verses of Scripture must be correctly interpreted in the LIGHT of the whole word of God and compared with all other correctly interpreted verses of Scripture, as opposed to, interpreting a few verses that are taken OUT of context to teach what is not the truth of the WHOLE word of God. For you see, whenever any INTERPRETATION of a verse of Scripture CONTRADICTS any other verses of Scripture that are correctly interpreted in the light of the whole word of Almighty God then that INTERPRETATION is NOT the correct interpretation. So always interpret the hard “controversial” verses in the light of the SIMPLE CLEAR verses that do not need any interpretation to understand what they mean.

Plain and simple, if the gospel you have been taught does NOT follow the teachings of the WHOLE word of Almighty God under the NEW COVENANT written in the New Testament, then you have NOT been taught the TRUE BIBLICAL Jesus. Again, this does NOT necessarily mean that you are not saved, but rather, that you may not be walking with God in the FULL potential that our heavenly Father desires for you to walk. If you do not understand what I mean by this please be patient, this will all become clear as you read all the studies I give links to within this study. But you must have a sincere desire to know the truth and nothing but the truth.

So let us begin this study in God's word by me giving you a list of titles of Jesus during the days of his FLESH. Again, I will give this same list at the end of this study as well but for now, I would like you to simply read the list of titles of who Jesus was CALLED before Jesus ascended into heaven. There are actually FIVE AGES of Jesus and Jesus is something different in each of those five ages. I will also give the link to the study on the five ages of Jesus at the end of this study as well. But for now, please stay focused on reading THIS entire study first. Here are twelve titles of Jesus as to who Jesus is according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY.

 

Remember that Jesus is something DIFFERENT is each of the FIVE AGES of Jesus. So please read the study “THE FIVE AGES OF JESUS!”

 

#1. Jesus is the “I AM HE”!

 

Jesus said and if you do not believe I am he you will die in your sins. In other words, Jesus is the fulfillment of PROPHECY! What I mean by this is that Jesus is the one who was prophesied to come. Please read the following studies “PROPHECIES OF JESUS BEING THE MESSIAH!”, 365 PROPHECIES OF JESUS!”, “HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF JESUS!”, “WHO IS THE TRUE MESSIAH?”, and “JOHN 8:24 IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE!”

 

#2. Jesus is the Son of MAN!

 

Jesus fulfilled the prophecies in the Old Testament Scriptures in the ORDER that the events of prophecy were prophesied. So this list of who Jesus is, according to the Bible itself is listed in the order that they were prophesied. In other words, Jesus did not come as the King of kings FIRST. But rather, Jesus was born of a VIRGIN first to suffer for the sins of the people. And then, Jesus will come again as the King of Israel. Please read the study “JESUS THE SON OF MAN!”

 

#3. Jesus is the CHRIST!

 

The word “Christ” does indeed mean the Messiah but before the Son of MAN, Jesus, actually became the Messiah by his death on the cross, God ANOINTED the Son of MAN. Many times in the Bible the word translated as “SENT” means COMMISSIONED and sending, as opposed to Orthodox Christianity meaning of being sent down from heaven. In other words, God ANOINTED the Son of MAN at his baptism by John the Baptist with His Holy Spirit and power to be able to accomplish the task that his God and Father commissioned or sent him out into the world to do. Please read the studies “JESUS THE CHRIST!” and “JESUS SAID WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?”

 

#4. Jesus is the SON OF God!

 

Jesus was prophesied to be called the Son of God but the Son of MAN was not called the Son of God until his baptism by John the Baptist. This was when Yahweh the Father announced the Son of MAN as being His Son in whom he is well pleased. Please read the study “JESUS THE SON OF GOD!”

 

#5. Jesus is our FELLOW SERVANT!

 

Jesus is our BROTHER. We will be JOINT-HEIRS with Jesus. Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS unto God. Jesus is the CAPTAIN of our Salvation gone before us. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature in the image of God. And we are being conformed into the image of God’s dear Son. Jesus is the firstborn among MANY BRETHREN. Please read the study “JESUS OUR FELLOW SERVANT!”

 

#6. Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God!

 

To learn the TRUE meaning of “ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God” please read the study “JESUS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!”

 

#7. Jesus is the FULNESS of the Godhead BODILY!

 

For the true SOUND Biblical meaning of Jesus being the fulness of the Godhead please read the study “JESUS THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD!”

 

#8. Jesus is GOD!

 

And according to the Bible ITSELF, Jesus is “A” God under and subject TO HIS God and Father who ALONE is the ONLY TRUE God. Please BEGIN with the study “37 FACTS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!” And under four numbers I will list four things that Jesus is NOT.

 

#9. Jesus is NOT the FATHER!

 

Please read ALL the studies under the heading >>>IS THE ONENESS DOCTRINE BIBLICAL?<<<

 

#10. Jesus is NOT Almighty God Himself!

 

But rather Jesus is the IMAGE OF the invisible God. Please read the study “IS JESUS ALMIGHTY GOD?”

 

#11. Jesus is NOT Yahweh Himself!

 

Jesus came out from God but that does not mean that Jesus is Yahweh Himself. Please read the study “IS JESUS YAHWEH?”

 

#12. Jesus is NOT God the Son, the second person of the Godhead Trinity God who always existed without beginning in eternity past!

 

Please read ALL the studies listed under the heading >>>A LIST OF STUDIES ON THE TRINITY!<<<

 

 

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